ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

awwww dizzle. sorry your game is so fucking weak you can't do what I do. but knowing that I sleep on a $4k matteress in front of my 82" led tv might make you feel better.... I have to go now the bentley is here to take me to my private gulfstream.

PS I love the hate. Let's me know I'm more successful than you.

 

[mrdizzle]

a few federal judges wouldn't surprise me either, but 1000's of additional annual prosecutions would be needed to make a real 'statement'
all government resources are now stretched, this is major additional law enforcement
it's a perfect storm because this about the worst time for expanding federal LE, money wise
now selective prosecutions of commercial rec sales, that i can see, at least for a while
my guess is you have commercial rec growers take the place of the prior MMJ prosecutions
the MJ genie is getting out of the bottle, he's not going back in

you know, really they dont even need to prosecute many of them, just knock them down, they can still take your shit even if they dont go to trail, and you have to prove you didnt use illegal funds to buy it.

but stop and think, if inspired, how many grow houses a day the DEA could run through if they really wanted to. Right now, they dont want to , and wont want to, and really have no need to. But you step on their dicks and say fuck you and they get the order to run train on the whole scene, I think we will be mopping our jaws off the floor when its all said and done

-fear mong

 

[mrdizzle]

awwww dizzle. sorry your game is so fucking weak you can't do what I do. but knowing that I sleep on a $4k matteress in front of my 82" led tv might make you feel better.... I have to go now the bentley is here to take me to my private gulfstream.

PS I love the hate. Let's me know I'm more successful than you.

hahaha go get it dude write when you get back from your trip, I had a funny feeling you were a baller

 

[mrdizzle]

your TV looks more like a 28''

 

[igrowone]

you know, really they dont even need to prosecute many of them, just knock them down, they can still take your shit even if they dont go to trail, and you have to prove you didnt use illegal funds to buy it.

but stop and think, if inspired, how many grow houses a day the DEA could run through if they really wanted to. Right now, they dont want to , and wont want to, and really have no need to. But you step on their dicks and say fuck you and they get the order to run train on the whole scene, I think we will be mopping our jaws off the floor when its all said and done

-fear mong

i like the image of stepping on their dicks, if only, but that's not possible, pity
but currently, DEA does work a lot with local LE, there's a DEA guy in tow at state police busts, literally ready to make a federal case of it
but take away state resources? DEA has to do all the investigation, evidence gathering on their own
that is a lot of help they're currently getting, this really begins to look like a Vietnam scenario
the more agents you send in, the more you need
i don't doubt they will keep doing what they're doing
but they're doing that now, a DEA agent exists to do busts, no busts and he's not staying a DEA agent
they are already pushing the bike pedals for all they're worth

 

[mrdizzle]

i like the image of stepping on their dicks, if only, but that's not possible, pity
but currently, DEA does work a lot with local LE, there's a DEA guy in tow at state police busts, literally ready to make a federal case of it
but take away state resources? DEA has to do all the investigation, evidence gathering on their own
that is a lot of help they're currently getting, this really begins to look like a Vietnam scenario
the more agents you send in, the more you need
i don't doubt they will keep doing what they're doing
but they're doing that now, a DEA agent exists to do busts, no busts and he's not staying a DEA agent
they are already pushing the bike pedals for all they're worth

you may very well be correct. Its something I think about when I think about the NO vote. I wish we knew right now but time will tell

 

[rives]

Long-term, the only way to effect any change is to start forcing the issue, state-by-state. There very well may be a burst of enforcement being done by the feds, but I have difficulty believing that they would waste their resources going after the myriad of small growers that are going to pop up after 19 is approved. Once more states follow, it is all over but the shouting.

you may very well be correct. Its something I think about when I think about the NO vote. I wish we knew right now but time will tell

 

[StoneElemental]

In all honesty and in my opinion, I think it will only take a few years. A few years for the rest of the country if not world to say hey maybe this ain't such a bad idea. A few years for the DEA to do their thing and for the american public to get way beyond fed up with it. A few years and we might see the end of the storm ahead. The government is already stretched very thin in many aspects of itself couple with the known idea that the american public is highly fed up with the U.S. federal government for the passed probably 10 years at least and is only growing so. The time has come for real change set by actual americans, not this so called seductive and inexperienced commander in chief or the rest of his politician big wig cohorts. I can start to smell what the american public wants to taste its on the winds, they whisper in our ears the things to come. Posturing over whos right and wrong is not the issue at hand. We certainly shouldn't be arguing amongst ourselves for the common cause we all desire the results for. Please I beg of you all set aside the superficial differences and make room for our futures, it is almost upon us don't blink in these last few weeks or we just might lose it. Band together for now live to fight another day and we can collectively the naysayers.

-S.E.

 

[dagnabit]

Maybe you can answer this for me since you and like 4 other people have labeled yourselves the authority.

source?

Right now we have a president that has stated he will not circumvent state law in regards to medical marijuana. At the same time Eric Holder stated that the sweeping raids in central Cali were done to discourage people from voting yes on prop 19 and is strongly against the prop.

source?

Others have called for the government to sue California if prop 19 passes.

source?

Federal Law will always trump state law according to the constitution,

thats just fucking RETARDED take a fucking civics class

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

thank god you dont vote!

so even if it passes cultivation will still be federally illegal. So my concern is if it passes, with a big slap in the DEA's face, will the DEA drop the hammer, hard, on everyone including medical growers, collectives, patients, prop 19 hobby grows ect? Busting little grows and big grows alike. While some sorry prick thinks he’s protected under prop 19 the DEA takes it house, his business and his bank accounts. Will the dispensaries find themselves being raided, shut down and everyone arrested? Do you think the DEA will not try to send a message? So instead of pushing the movement forward, maybe it knocks it back to the Stone Age? I mean if you poke the giant it might wake up right? I know you will try but you can’t answer any of these questions because you don’t fucking know

so your argument is never legalize pot because your a coward?

awesome!

 

[mrdizzle]

you want me to source myself ? saying that you, some other dork, big herb dog in a hat, and some other queen have labeled yourselves the authority? ok ~Me?

well dag, if what your doing is federally illegal, then the federal government can charge you whether or not the state says its alright or not.
here is one example http://calpotnews.com/pot-pourri/dea-busts-mendocino-medical-marijuana-grower/

For her defense she can copy and paste your little quote

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...:+CBSNewsTravelGuru+(Travel+Guru:+CBSNews.com)

 

[dagnabit]

For her defense she can copy and paste your little quote

my "little quote" is the most important sentence ever written in these united states BAR ONE!

take civics

 

[mrdizzle]

check it out I can copy and paste too!! yay

so your aware of the commerce clause

According to the Tenth Amendment, the government of the United States has the power to regulate only matters delegated to it by the Constitution. Other powers are reserved to the states, or to the people (and even the states cannot alienate some of these). In modern times, the Commerce Clause has become one of the most frequently-used sources of Congress' power, and thus its interpretation is very important in determining the allowable scope of federal government.

Most recently, the Commerce Clause was cited in the 2005 decision Gonzales v. Raich. In this case, a California woman sued the Drug Enforcement Administration after her medical marijuana crop was seized and destroyed by Federal agents. Medical marijuana was explicitly made legal under California state law by Proposition 215; however, marijuana is prohibited at the federal level by the Controlled Substances Act. Even though the woman grew the marijuana strictly for her own consumption and never sold any, the Supreme Court stated that growing one's own marijuana affects the interstate market of marijuana. The theory was that the marijuana could enter the stream of interstate commerce, even if it clearly wasn't grown for that purpose and it was unlikely ever to happen (the same reasoning as in the Wickard v. Filburn decision). It therefore ruled that this practice may be regulated by the federal government under the authority of the Commerce Clause.

 

[dagnabit]

oopsies...double

 

[dagnabit]

check it out I can copy and paste too!! yay

so your aware of the commerce clause

According to the Tenth Amendment, the government of the United States has the power to regulate only matters delegated to it by the Constitution. Other powers are reserved to the states, or to the people (and even the states cannot alienate some of these). In modern times, the Commerce Clause has become one of the most frequently-used sources of Congress' power, and thus its interpretation is very important in determining the allowable scope of federal government.

Most recently, the Commerce Clause was cited in the 2005 decision Gonzales v. Raich. In this case, a California woman sued the Drug Enforcement Administration after her medical marijuana crop was seized and destroyed by Federal agents. Medical marijuana was explicitly made legal under California state law by Proposition 215; however, marijuana is prohibited at the federal level by the Controlled Substances Act. Even though the woman grew the marijuana strictly for her own consumption and never sold any, the Supreme Court stated that growing one's own marijuana affects the interstate market of marijuana. The theory was that the marijuana could enter the stream of interstate commerce, even if it clearly wasn't grown for that purpose and it was unlikely ever to happen (the same reasoning as in the Wickard v. Filburn decision). It therefore ruled that this practice may be regulated by the federal government under the authority of the Commerce Clause.

absolutely INCORRECT!!!
in gonzalez v. raich the majority decision had NOTHING to do with the fact it was marijuana and EVERYTHING to do with the fact it is medicine!

JUSTICE THOMAS
of certiorari. 542 U. S. 936 (2004). The case is made difficult by respondents’ strong arguments that they will suffer irreparable harm because, despite a congressionalfinding to the contrary, marijuana does have valid therapeutic purposes. The question before us, however, is not whether it is wise to enforce the statute in these circumstances; rather, it is whether Congress’ power to regulate interstate markets for medicinal substances encompassesthe portions of those markets that are supplied with drugs produced and consumed locally. Well-settled law controls our answer

Opinion of the Court
In Wickard, we had no difficulty concluding that Congress had a rational basis for believing that, when viewed in the aggregate, leaving home-consumed wheat outside the regulatory scheme would have a substantial influence on price and market conditions. Here too, Congress had a rational basis for concluding that leaving home-consumed marijuana outside federal control would similarly affect price and market conditions.

i could go on but suffice it to say ..your dead ass wrong and we NEED a recreational SCOTUS challenge on a 10th basis and R.Lee is the man who is going to provide it while you cower in fear of the feds.

btw wikki is not your friend

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/04pdf/03-1454.pdf

im so glad u dont vote

 

[rick shaw]

Coming soon on Home Shopping Network..http://the420times.com/2010/09/the-day-after-ca-prop-19-passes/

 

[zen_trikester]

^^^ since your a **** I'll try to fit in, shit after seeing your growing emporium no wonder you want to be able to buy herb on the main stream

Maybe you can answer this for me since you and like 4 other people have labeled yourselves the authority. Right now we have a president that has stated he will not circumvent state law in regards to medical marijuana. At the same time Eric Holder stated that the sweeping raids in central Cali were done to discourage people from voting yes on prop 19 and is strongly against the prop. Others have called for the government to sue California if prop 19 passes. Federal Law will always trump state law according to the constitution, so even if it passes cultivation will still be federally illegal. So my concern is if it passes, with a big slap in the DEA's face, will the DEA drop the hammer, hard, on everyone including medical growers, collectives, patients, prop 19 hobby grows ect? Busting little grows and big grows alike. While some sorry prick thinks he’s protected under prop 19 the DEA takes it house, his business and his bank accounts. Will the dispensaries find themselves being raided, shut down and everyone arrested? Do you think the DEA will not try to send a message? So instead of pushing the movement forward, maybe it knocks it back to the Stone Age? I mean if you poke the giant it might wake up right? I know you will try but you can’t answer any of these questions because you don’t fucking know

Dizzle,
It is mostly about manpower, and then about the American people seeing where the DEA is putting their manpower and for what cause, and then about state rights.

As has been said, prop 19 specifically says that LEO can't go after the legal folks, so those that are within the guidelines are safe from LEO and thus safe from DEA. There is simply no way that the feds could find the time or manpower to bust every guy with a 5x5... just isn't possible without local help, and even then it's a stretch. I personally believe that DEA will go after Oakland and Lee specifically and then when their muscle flexing doesn't impress anyone they will either settle or make exorbitant steps to get the American people behind them. Refer Madness 2!

This is the point where state rights and the constitution will make for a whole new battle. Is the DEA or Fed gov ready to test the people of America in this way? Wouldn't everyone be wondering if the Federal government will be starting to change the laws in their state? There really aren't too many people in this country who think that pot should be seen as a more dangerous drug then coke or whatever. I think even the non-smoking public has mostly awaken to this fact. The general population is savvy and they know that our government is corrupt. To many this is a small issue but if the people of America start seeing the feds dumping that kind of time and money into Cali's Marijuana laws, people are going to cry for them to close the wallet and move on. I can't see this escalating to the point that you are speculating.

As you say though, none of us has a crystal ball and we won't know until we get there. Regardless though, the only way to stop this threat is to continue prohibition and that is what the feds want. Or maybe they don't. We don't even know that for sure really. there may very well be higher powers that would like to see this happen but they can't push for it. I expect we will see some of that too. November 3rd will be a brave new world either way.

Jed

 

[TruthOrLie]

Can you imagine what a pound of the good shit would cost after the DEA drops its mighty hammer on California for passing a democratic vote? Maybe $7-10k? How great would that be for the greed mongering growers who wanted to vote No?

Honestly though, you think the rest of the United States would allow for the DEA to smash and stomp through California, the wealthiest state... because we VOTED for change? I think there would be some problems with doing something like that.

Now dropping the hammer on those who are outside of medical and recreational guidelines without a permit... that's a whole different situation that may be very real and possible.

Wait. No. They're doing that already.

 

[someotherguy]

high everyone, just found this video clip over at FoxNews
where one of their guys is interviewing a cop who heads
a police organization supporting Prop 19, unfortunately for me,
my sound card is acting up so i couldn't hear the audio but
it looks well worth watching.

anyway, here is a link for those who think all conservatives
are anti marijuana.

check it out

peace, SOG

 

[zen_trikester]

high everyone, just found this video clip over at FoxNews
where one of their guys is interviewing a cop who heads
a police organization supporting Prop 19, unfortunately for me,
my sound card is acting up so i couldn't hear the audio but
it looks well worth watching.

anyway, here is a link for those who think all conservatives
are anti marijuana.

check it out

peace, SOG

Chief Joe rules! it is funny how the anchor keeps trying to cut him off before he makes his points but the chief finishes regardless. Hopefully that segment will earn a few votes for the cause!! It is so nice to see police officers using common sense and simple logic. As he said, I'm sure there are many more like him who want this but don't have the stones to come out and say it.

Jed

 

[Herborizer]

Chief Joe rules! it is funny how the anchor keeps trying to cut him off before he makes his points but the chief finishes regardless. Hopefully that segment will earn a few votes for the cause!! It is so nice to see police officers using common sense and simple logic. As he said, I'm sure there are many more like him who want this but don't have the stones to come out and say it.

Jed

One of the best TV interviews I have seen on this subject so far. Joe does fantastic, sticks to his points, clear and precise, and no delay.