I need your input on a good soil blend..(so many to pick from)

[NSPB]

But nspb how do you cultivate your bene bacteria? Do you also add nematodes to this soil mix of yours?
-ngen.

The beneficials I use, are a retail product. Everything all the big boys use at half the price!


Endomycorrhizae (approx. 40 - 100 spores per c.c.)
Ectomycorrhizae (approx. 100 - 500 spores per c.c.)
Added Biological Ingredients

• Athrobacter Globiformis, Azotobacter Chrococcum, Azotobacter Vinelandii, Bacillius Subtillis, Pseudomonas Alcaligenes, Pseudomonas Fluorescens, Pseudomonas Pseudoalcaligenes, and Pseudomonas Putida. Estimated minimum viable cells per cc: 20,000.
  
• Trichoderma Harzianum and Trichoderma Koningii, estimated minimum cells per cc: 10,000.

Never used or have ever attempted to use nematodes. Nor can I honestly say I know a whole lot much about them, other than they can be good or bad...and the good ones attack and kill other things that may contribute to viral infections...??? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on that.

But here is the soil recipe I use:

4 gallons local organic potting soil
1.5 gallons peat
1.5 gallons coir
1 gallon EWC
3 gallons perlite



NSPB

 

[Microbeman]

Before combining dry spores of endomycorrhizal with trichoderma harzianum & koningii you should research the potential for trichoderma to inhibit infection by endomycorrhizal fungi.

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Before combining dry spores of endomycorrhizal with trichoderma harzianum & koningii you should research the potential for trichoderma to inhibit infection by endomycorrhizal fungi.

MM

I had to stop at a local grow store yesterday to purchase some light bulbs and I started talking with the young man who manages this store and he pulled each and every mycorrhizal product from the shelf and we started looking at the labels, i.e. White Shark, Roots Organic, Advanced Nutrients and a couple of others.

What was interesting is that each and every one had the very same strains (at the very same levels) and all included 2 strains of trichoderma spores.

No trail-blazers in this part of the grow store industry that's for sure.

CC

 

[NSPB]

I agree Clackamas.

Kinda what my original point was...all the currently available products contain the same formulas at the same concentrations. I can't see why a product outside of a fancy container would be of any less quality or why there would be any concerns with one product over another. Kinda seems like if you like paying more money, there are options out there for you. In my opinion, aside from making your own beneficials at home, the product I am using is top notch and second to none. After much time spent testing soils and plants responses using different products, I'm not hesitant to use what I do.

The product is called "BioVam"....a quick google search should tell you more.



NSPB

 

[Clackamas Coot]

NSPB

The specific mycorrhizal product that I use contains the following spores:

Glomus intraradices - 52 propagules/gm
Glomus deserticola - 5 propagules/gm
Glomus etunicatum - 5 propagules/gm
Glomus clarum - 5 propagules/gm
Glomus claroidium - 5 propagules/gm
Glomus mosseae - 5 propagules/gm
Gigaspora albida - 5 propagules/gm

These strains are in a base of pure humic acid (29%) and fulvic acid (6%).

Rate of application is 2 grams per gallon of water. 100 grams costs $16.00 and this includes shipping and handling. 50 gallons of solution for $16.00 - cheap enough.

No trichoderma spores. No ectomycorrhizal spores. Just endomycorrhizal spores.

CC

 

[Microbeman]

I agree Clackamas.

Kinda what my original point was...all the currently available products contain the same formulas at the same concentrations. I can't see why a product outside of a fancy container would be of any less quality or why there would be any concerns with one product over another. Kinda seems like if you like paying more money, there are options out there for you. In my opinion, aside from making your own beneficials at home, the product I am using is top notch and second to none. After much time spent testing soils and plants responses using different products, I'm not hesitant to use what I do.

The product is called "BioVam"....a quick google search should tell you more.



NSPB

Is this the product from T & J enterprises where they have microscope video of air bubbles and dried out water lines which they claim are fungal spores and hyphae?

http://www.tandjenterprises.com/naturesowngrowingsystem.htm#Video Illustrations ( .wmv format )



Completely laughable.

Here is what fungal hyphae 'actually' looks like.

http://microbeorganics.com/greatpacific.wmv

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Is this the product from T & J enterprises where they have microscope video of air bubbles and dried out water lines which they claim are fungal spores and hyphae?

MM

Yes it is. I looked at this product a couple of years back when I was looking for yucca extract which they also carry and have a human food-grade product (no preservatives) that I used to recommend.

Since then I found a source for dried, powdered yucca extract that allows far more applications than the liquid though you can certainly make a liquid from the dried product.

What makes this specific dried product better from my perspective is that this powder is made from the yucca root and not the leaves or trunks as is found in the majority of liquid yucca products.

CC

 

[NSPB]

No, that is not the correct product. It's the one called "BioVam"...

http://www.tandjenterprises.com/biovam_overview.htm



NSPB

 

[Clackamas Coot]

No, that is not the correct product. Is that called "BioVam"?

http://www.tandjenterprises.com/biovam_overview.htm



NSPB

NSPB

You, MM and I are all talking about the same product - BioVam from T & J Enterprises in Spokane, Washington.

He's also well known for a rather extensive line of yucca extract products though he's unable to answer basic questions about saponins and their effect on triggering a plant's defenses against pathogens.

Weird.

CC

 

[Microbeman]

No, that is not the correct product. Is the one called "BioVam"...

http://www.tandjenterprises.com/biovam_overview.htm



NSPB

Hello. Check it out before you speak.

 

[Microbeman]

Some of the products from this supplier are good....no doubt....but please do not accept any 'education' from this source (!!!!)

 

[Ninja420]

CC can you tell me the name of the dried yucca you use?

Ninja

 

[Clackamas Coot]

CC can you tell me the name of the dried yucca you use?

Ninja

Liberty Natural Products which is a wholesale supplier and their minimum order is $50.00 if I remember correctly.

Lots and lots of biological and herbal agents to choose from.

HTH

CC

 

[NSPB]

BEFORE I SPEAK? Well, don't know how much of an authority I deemed them to be. Just stated I liked their product BioVam. I use it and I found it to produce the same results as much more expensive products. In my opinion, it is a win / win.

The only reason I posted a link, is because the original link posted to the site, was NOT to the actual product I was referencing, but rather micro tea brewing kits. But either way...



NSPB

 

[jiminmaine]

my advice is experiment with a couple that sound the best.find what works best for your conditions.my self pro mix,bonemeal,steamed cow manure and a couple of worms per bucket from the bait store.or dig some.

 

[Microbeman]

BEFORE I SPEAK? Well, don't know how much of an authority I deemed them to be. Just stated I liked their product BioVam. I use it and I found it to produce the same results as much more expensive products. In my opinion, it is a win / win.

The only reason I posted a link, is because the original link posted to the site, was NOT to the actual product I was referencing, but rather micro tea brewing kits. But either way...



NSPB

I just meant that T&J is the supplier.

The warning is for others because I consider much of the information doled out from this biz to be dangerous.

If you are using a product containing both endomycorrhizal and trichoderma spores, there is a strong likelihood that the positive effects you are seeing are from the trichoderma alone and you could save even more money by only using t. spores.

 

[NSPB]

Hmmmm...

Well, either way...there are results I seek when using ANY product. It does what it or any other myco product claims to do and should in fact do.



NSPB

 

[Microbeman]

Do you have evidence of endomycorrhizal infection during the life cycle of cannabis?

My point is that you can purchase specific spores rather than products.

 

[NSPB]

Do you have evidence of endomycorrhizal infection during the life cycle of cannabis?

My point is that you can purchase specific spores rather than products.

My point is I use that stuff and I like it.

It does the same thing as much more expensive products, for a MUCH cheaper price.

Perhaps rather than trying to nail me to the wall, so to speak, perhaps you'd like to SHARE with us what it is you know about specific individual spores of bacteria and fungi, and which ones we should all be looking to purchase?

Let's all learn together...



NSPB

 

[Microbeman]

Sorry if you misunderstand my intent. Because you are at a point of marketing (I think) I assumed you had some research done.

The various species of endomycorrhizal have been discussed on here often. I'll try to track down a thread.