Unholy Grail

[jus'plain'gill]

As far as cannabis is concerned, "The Holy Grail" may not exist. A plant that grows from seed to weed in 69 days, yields incredible mold and insect free colas, produces the most profound high, and tastes and smells like everyones favorite candy flavor doesn't exist mainly because everyone has different taste buds and what may be the holy grail to one person is just a shitty tasting, paranoia inducing plant to another.

That being said, I believe I can find "a" holy grail or several of them even. I'm sure my grail exists I just don't know how obtainable it is.

I'm looking for four specific things, two concerning the high and two concerning growing characteristics:

1. No tolerance to the high- MOST IMPORTANT

2. No ceiling to the high- MOST IMPORTANT

3. No overpowering odor in veg or flower

4. A flower period of less than 11 weeks


If I can get these characteristics, everything else is secondary. Taste, bag appeal, ease of growth, yield, all matter much less to me. I know most of the strains I'll see suggested will be long flowering sativas and thats fine but not necessarily all I'm looking for. I'd like to stay away from a plant that might take 3 months to flower.

I look forward to seeing all opinions and any stories you have about your own holy grails. I'll share my own story about the best pot I ever encountered a little later on. Thx for looking



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[Backwoods Bud]

Dutch Passion Power Plant. Low odor, no ceiling for me, slow tolerance buildup, easy to grow, big yeilder and finishes in 8 weeks. DP gets a lot of bad rap but their Power Plant is great. Lacks taste and smell but the high is there.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I hope you find it....

So far, for me, every strain I've tried (even the 'mostly' sativas) still builds up a tolerance too quickly. I medicate 24/7 though, so I'm not exactly the norm.

I'm looking for pure sativas now. No ceiling... no tolerance build up.... at least that's the game plan


Stay Safe!

 

[Momerath]

Have you considered either a Cinderella 99/hybrid or an sour d/hybrid? Neither of those had a ceiling or tolerance buildup for me. Rez's double strawberry diesel is one of my fav's. Its potent, has a low tolerance buildup, is done in 9 weeks, and doesnt stink up the place.

 

[Greencloud]

If you really want the first 2 things on your list, you are going to have to seriously consider whether your time line is that important to you. A true sativa is incomparable against hybrids.
You give a maximum flower time of less than 77 days for what you want. You can achieve stellar yields from some true sativas in 90 days. It's just a matter of getting the right geno/pheno for your local conditions.
Is that extra 14 days really worth missing out on the amazing qualities these genes have to offer?
Good luck with your search!

 

[jus'plain'gill]

Thanks for the input everybody, I appreciate the varied responses.

C99 was one I had considered but I'm just not sure how close I can get to finding the original quality plant. I'm sure I will still, at some point, give a Cindy cross or two a try. Power Plant is one I'll have to consider now as well as the Strawberry Diesel. I might need an extra opinion on the odor of the Diesel because my limited experience with a Diesel cross was immense and overpowering odor, a wonderful smell but smelly to the point it was a real security issue.

And my reason for the 77 day flowering time line has some rationale behind it. I would love to grow plants to their full potential regardless of flower time, 90-100 days or whatever... My issue with that is I would only have time to pull one crop indoors and that wouldn't be enough to sustain my habit. I have shortish winters and brutal summers so in order to grow indoors I have to time it well. Nov thru Feb are okay weather wise making even two flowering cycles of 11 weeks a potential issue. However, I don't want to limit my options any more with a shorter flowering cycle so I'll take the risk and make it work.

Thanks for the ideas so far and I look forward to seeing more fresh ideas.




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[Fuel]

Ghanna Fruit, or more currently all crosses wich use the SSH as basis. I think you will reach more your goals in this way.

 

[Momerath]

From personal experience, the strawberry diesel isn't as much of a stinker as other diesels, including sour d (THAT stinks up a place). Its fragrant and fruity and kinda herby, but doesnt have the "in your face" aroma that the others have. C99 can get pretty pungent, although its other traits are perfect for what your looking for (flowering time/potency/tolerance buildup). Maybe grow out a seed batch and find a not-so-stinky mom to keep?
Never grown power plant, but have heard many good things. High yielding and potent.
I also agree with Fuel, any SSH hybrid should be right up your alley (although some can really reek). Never grown it but have heard good things about Super Lemon Haze, it won an award or two recently I believe.

 

[Fuel]

I forgeted the Malawi for a more "root" reference, it's his better quality and i forgeted it... damned.

 

[l33t]

Malawi is a great choice indeed!

Another would be MrNiceSeeds Neville'sHaze x Mango ,

a great sativa that ticks all the boxes for you.

There are plants that finish in 11 weeks (most take 10-14wks) from clone and with selection you can find plants that have the legendary haze high , no ceiling to the high and will keep delivering after constant use of several months .

I would suggest a large number selection run as a plant that ticks all the boxes will be in the 5% of the plant population but most plants are still manageable/practical.Two packs should be enough to find a plant that is like the one you seek for. Personally I really like the pure Neville's and eventhough most plants take longer than NHxMango , about 13-17weeks , the high is extremely long lasting and more plants will have the high characteristics you desire as the haze is known for its no ceiling high that is hard to built tolerance to even after months. Its 3/4 pure haze and so there are a lot of slow finishers with these plants , but there are 12-14weeker keeper phenos.

Both strains and especially pure NH will be low odor and will not be of the well known skunk odor when in veg/flowering. Generally sativas are low odor compared to stinkin indicas

 

[The End Is Near]

It would be hard for any plant to fit all the needs you want, especially if you're expecting no tolerance buildup as an everyday smoker of quality homegrown. And even low odor plants stink some times; my C99 stink more during vegetative growth spurts and stretching than in flower. A quality scrubber packed thick with carbon is a must no matter what strain you're growing, and even with low odor strains some days will reek more than others.

That being said, I don't see why you don't just get C99. There are stronger strains out there, but it was never meant to be the strongest ever, and even the strongest loses its kick with tolerance. It's the set of traits that make it a grail. For me it has a universally great taste, low flower time, and a "utility" high that can be heart racingly sativa at 50 days or surprisingly indica like at 70. And it purps quite nicely in the cold. Even the cons can be spun into a positive light, except for the low yield.

 

[l33t]

C99 is a gres strain for what it is (a really fast sativa high plant) but I find it reeealllyyyy weak after long term heavy use!

Its really easy to built tolerance to the high from c99 and after a couple of months, ime will almost do nothing to you..

Its a great plant for people that don't smoke a lot daily and is good to have it with other strains in the garden so you can get away with a slower tolerance built up(due to the different cannabinoid profiles)..but there are strains that will be better if you smoke a lot everyday and are a heavy user..

 

[jus'plain'gill]

It would be nice, but I don't expect, to find a strain that matches my criteria for an ideal plant. However, the closer I can get the happier I'll be.

I have a good short list of strains to start with and my ideas and wants may change over time so I encourage anybody with a suggestion or opinion to share it. Thanks for the replies everybody.



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[BeAn]

why not just find a few ya like n swap smokes periodicaly???

 

[jus'plain'gill]

@BeAn- For sure! I'm hoping I find three Holy Grails and four "normal" grails, haha!! If that ends up being the case, I'll be smoking 7 different strains all the time: Variety is the spice of life after all.

Some people have recommended auto-flowers because of my time limit on flowering. I've grown out a couple autos and been pleased with the results but I doubt there exists an Auto that will produce the high I'm looking for. Any experiences out there with a mind blowing Auto?



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[jus'plain'gill]

I've been on an obsessive search for the beans for my perfect strain. I'm not really as indecisive as I appear (6 months and still no decision on genes!), I just have no need to rush a purchase. However, I am itching for something new so I figured I needed to renew my search efforts.

Some strains sound awesome but no "recent" info is available for them. I'm digging this back up to see if I can get some idea of the quality of current seed stock of a couple different varieties. After a ton of research and reading I have narrowed a long list of "wants" down to three probable purchases.


Paradise Sensi Star and Serious AK47 and Kali Mist

I have read tons of great stuff about the 3 but the majority of info relates to seed bought 5-10 years ago, if not longer. I'm interested to know how the phenotypes from '08, '09, '10 seed compare to plants from 1999 or 2000 seed stock.

And as I haven't made my mind up for sure, I'm still open to suggestions. Especially if you can vouch for the seed that you purchased as being the same seed that is currently available.

Thanks again for looking.




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[Bonghitz]

AK47 is still very good, still a one-hit wonder with low tolerance buildup. I've never tried the older stock but the '09 stock did not disappoint. I didn't get the cherry pheno but 77 days is realistic if you want HQ finished product. Ask me about the Kali in 6 months!

 

[SuperHemp]

Dj short F13 has what you're looking for. I used to smoke a lot, usually 2-3gr a day and i harvested about 2.2oz of F13 one grow, and i burned through all of it, and everytime i lit it up i got just as high if not higher than the first time i toked her (curing helps potency a bit on the F-13).

C99 lost its magic in less than a week for me but could be bad pheno. Also C99 was very racy and paranoid compared to the blissful vibrant dreamy high of the F-13. F-13 has no ceiling and finishes in 63 days. They also smell quite faint but they still pack a punch and taste nice despite the low smellage! I keep kicking myself for losing her, and i cannot afford any more $150++ beans anytime soon.


(... however, i have 10 jacks cleaner X blue satellite popping right now, there's some Dj short in there so I'm hoping for some of the same awesomeness Dj short breeds for no tolerance buildup, nice tastes and colors and a great experience in every strain. Sometimes he succeeds!)

 

[growhigh1234]

well i dont know about been the holly grail but i smoked some of my friends 85 day golden tiger from ace and it freaked me out !!!

strongest most overpowering thing iv ever tryed !! i didnt like it to be honest my friend dont either hes actually scared to smoke it haha

 

[jus'plain'gill]

So DJ Short breeds for no tolerance/no ceiling? Thats not something I've heard before but exactly the kind of information I'm looking for. Can anyone add to this or another breeder whose strains are bred to have those characteristics? Thank you SuperHemp, I am def going to have to look harder at DJ's stuff.



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