ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[rives]

Jack, this scenario is exactly what is best about prop 19. She now has no protection, but prop 19 would have protected her from all of this. No ticket for the possession, no right for the employer to do the drug test. Jed

I keep saying it - I think this is far and away the most important part of this bill. It opens the use of cannabis to a huge number of people that otherwise cannot partake for fear of being picked up in a piss test a month later. This alone will do more to bring about the increased acceptance of pot than all of the other aspects combined. All the people that remember how much they enjoyed it in their youth, before a career path forced them to abandon mj as being too risky, will now be able to use it freely. Something that I think is pretty ironic is that this point is not an aspect of the other, theoretically more desirable, bill that the anti's keep saying we should have had.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I know some here on a personal level and they don't post pics. They grow but because of the prohibition you support, they are afraid to post pics.

Also this "Remember I am for more rights for gardeners and tokers not less. I am not the enemy." is total bullshit and you know it. If you were for pot gardeners you would vote to remove the current felony for said gardening. Just because the limits do not appeal to you gives you no right to make that decision for someone else...right?..jack the med grower who has 215?



That whole post could be summed up as "I gots mine"

You have shown to me that you are NOT a friend of the recreational cannabis user. You would rather they keep going to jail for growing a plant because YOU think they deserve more. That is so backwards it's not even funny. You contradict yourself with every sentence. You call for freedom and at the same time side with the status quo. 19 is not the end all and we know it. It is a step in the right direction...and by direction I mean a path that keeps LEO off mine and everyone else back.

"63 days" yep and if 19 fails in 64 days someone will go to jail for something they shouldn't of.

Well.. This is a moment for a quick jerk reaction and I see it.

I have you beat VTA because how I am going to vote isn't decided yet. I will probably decide a day or two before I vote.

So Bull shit? How about perverse rape. You are the criminal.

A desperate Sales man cannot afford to not sell the merchandise at any moment they can get commitment.
This is not the only chance we have to legalize VTA it is just the easiest since someone paid for much of it.

So how will I vote? I am going to remain Neutral for the duration of the Political discussion LIKE IT OR NOT.

Fellas Democracy means those in favor and those against get to run the run to Election day.

What is the problem here? Limited intelligence and a lack of entertainment skills?

So that i find selling short on rights in the name of some kind of decriminalized freedom makes me feel disappointed is one of those human things friends.

What like those wanting more freedom now are not welcome in the Prop 19 future too?

Who is fucked up now.

So the last point to make here VTA is you don't own me. I will vote how I want come election day.

Politics doesn't require a contract of obedience. Like Prop 19 defaulted to I see.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I keep saying it - I think this is far and away the most important part of this bill. It opens the use of cannabis to a huge number of people that otherwise cannot partake for fear of being picked up in a piss test a month later. This alone will do more to bring about the increased acceptance of pot than all of the other aspects combined. All the people that remember how much they enjoyed it in their youth, before a career path forced them to abandon mj as being too risky, will now be able to use it freely. Something that I think is pretty ironic is that this point is not an aspect of the other, theoretically more desirable, bill that the anti's keep saying we should have had.

This is not a Bill friends. It is a Voter Initiative.

A Bill is something our elected oficials cobble together.
A Voter Initiative is a political action to change how things are.

From what I understand the Voter Initiative is the only way to cause Cannabis Law Reform since our Government was last told it is a crime to grow Cannabis by most people.

It's a pet Peeve of mine to correct the BILL term.. Let us understand what is going on.

Peace

 

[rives]

This is not a Bill friends. It is a Voter Initiative.

A Bill is something our elected oficials cobble together.
A Voter Initiative is a political action to change how things are.

From what I understand the Voter Initiative is the only way to cause Cannabis Law Reform since our Government was last told it is a crime to grow Cannabis by most people.

It's a pet Peeve of mine to correct the BILL term.. Let us understand what is going on.

Peace

After all the horseshit that you have posted about the superiority of the Herrer voter initiative, this is the best rebuttal you can come up with? Picking fly shit out of the pepper...........

 

[JackTheGrower]

After all the horseshit that you have posted about the superiority of the Herrer voter initiative, this is the best rebuttal you can come up with? Picking fly shit out of the pepper...........

You will have to show me where I did that.

I have suggested other options but the intensity of your "

After all the horseshit that you have posted about the superiority of the Herrer voter initiative,

Is unquantified in my eyes. Are you thinking of someone else?
maybe something i wrote had a major impact I am unaware of.

I worked for the CCI Initiative. I have not worked for the Jack Herrer Initiative.

So I completely don't get your post.

I meant no harm I just see folks confusing Bill with Initiative and Legalization with Decriminalization.

I have made mention to different folk in many different ways. My approach to you is nothing extreme. perhaps how you read it is the thing?

It cool.. It's that folks get confused calling decrim legalization and Voter initiative a Bill.

So what about the Jack Herrer connect.. Wanna help a fella here?

 

[rives]

Jack, sorry if I confused the CCI with the Herrer initiative. I have to confess that, while I used to try read all of the posts quite closely, I started skimming yours when you began endlessly belaboring the landlord non-issue. What I was referring to was pitching a big fat one out there about 19 having a freedom built into that is not only of huge importance, but is totally missed in the other legislation. Your reply? “It’s not a bill”. You obviously enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing, and failing all else, drag a red herring through it. I think that instead of picking nits, I’ll just use the ignore function. Have a nice evening.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Jack, sorry if I confused the CCI with the Herrer initiative. I have to confess that, while I used to try read all of the posts quite closely, I started skimming yours when you began endlessly belaboring the landlord non-issue. What I was referring to was pitching a big fat one out there about 19 having a freedom built into that is not only of huge importance, but is totally missed in the other legislation. Your reply? “It’s not a bill”. You obviously enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing, and failing all else, drag a red herring through it. I think that instead of picking nits, I’ll just use the ignore function. Have a nice evening.

If Politics was a way to make friends with everyone there would be no need for War.

Go in peace..

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

If Prop 19 does not pass.....the message sent to all of the USA will be that cannabis should remain illegal for all recreational users...

How long, how many long years will it then be before someone pony's up the millions needed to get some other initiative to the ballot?....and even if they do, don't you think that Prop 19 not passing will effect that vote?

Meanwhile many thousands of people will be victimized as they are now, loose their jobs, get criminal records, fined and locked up and continue to suffer because YOU did not vote YES!....

Do you really want to be responsible for that?

If Prop 19 passes, do you really think that LEO's will bother to be going around and measuring every single grow that will crop up? (there will be literally thousands more than there are today) and what the grower is doing with the 'erb grown?.....I very much doubt it, cops have much more important things to do, like busting real criminals who commit crimes with victims.....that's what they should be doing....

 

[dagnabit]

You will have to show me where I did that.

I have suggested other options but the intensity of your "

Is unquantified in my eyes. Are you thinking of someone else?
maybe something i wrote had a major impact I am unaware of.

I worked for the CCI Initiative. I have not worked for the Jack Herrer Initiative.

So I completely don't get your post.

I meant no harm I just see folks confusing Bill with Initiative and Legalization with Decriminalization.

I have made mention to different folk in many different ways. My approach to you is nothing extreme. perhaps how you read it is the thing?

It cool.. It's that folks get confused calling decrim legalization and Voter initiative a Bill.

So what about the Jack Herrer connect.. Wanna help a fella here?

stop lying pleaase?

19 is not decrim it IS legalization!

decrim is awaiting the govenator's signature.

19 makes
possession,cultivation,use,transport,processing,possession of concentrates,sale and distribution LEGAL you are spreading more bullshit.

 

[dagnabit]

This is not a Bill friends. It is a Voter Initiative.

A Bill is something our elected oficials cobble together.
A Voter Initiative is a political action to change how things are.

From what I understand the Voter Initiative is the only way to cause Cannabis Law Reform since our Government was last told it is a crime to grow Cannabis by most people.

It's a pet Peeve of mine to correct the BILL term.. Let us understand what is going on.

Peace

i have a pet peeve too..

liars..

you claim to be "undecided" yet you spew your fucking lies and distortions all in the negative i might add in an attempt to sway an ignorant or truly undecided to the side of continued prohibition!

please discontinue pissing upon our heads and telling us its raining...

be a stand up guy and try honesty?

 

[dagnabit]

Meanwhile many thousands of people will be victimized as they are now, loose their jobs, get criminal records, fined and locked up and continue to suffer because YOU did not vote YES!....

one vote is one thing...
but to actively wage an entire campaign of lies is a whole other!

and we are finding out who the true freedom fighters are and who is just happy with the status quo...

 

[BigBudBill]

one vote is one thing...
but to actively wage an entire campaign of lies is a whole other!

and we are finding out who the true freedom fighters are and who is just happy with the status quo...

I just hope all here remember who was on the no side if 19 fails. When your loved one gets locked up, remember who it was that was on here lying and spreading misinformation intentionally.

Dragonfly may well have killed her rep and career for the lies she propagated.

Jack.....it isn't your position, it's your lies. Stop lying. Please.

 

[TruthOrLie]

JUST SAY NOW

 

[kmk420kali]

I meant no harm I just see folks confusing Bill with Initiative and Legalization with Decriminalization.

Jack, you are truly the one confusing Legalization and Decriminalization--
Granted, 19 is "Limited" Legalization...but does not fit the criteria for Decriminalization--

While decriminalized acts are no longer crimes, they may still be the subject of penalties; for example a monetary fine in place of a criminal charge for the possession of a decriminalized drug. This should be contrasted with legalization, which removes all or most legal detriments from a previously illegal act.

19 will remove all penalties for possession of Cannabis-- Yes, it is Limited...as in you can only have an ounce at a time on you in public...but you can "Legally" have as much as you want in your home-- Yes, it has other limits to it, but, it does "Legalize" Possession, Distribution, and Cultivation within those limits--
As was said before...making possession of under an ounce a Civil Infraction instead of a Misdemeanor...THAT is Decriminalization--
Alcohol was Legalized, not Decriminalized...even tho it is Controlled, Taxed, and Regulated--

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

If Prop 19 does not pass.....the message sent to all of the USA will be that cannabis should remain illegal for all recreational users...

How long, how many long years will it then be before someone pony's up the millions needed to get some other initiative to the ballot?....and even if they do, don't you think that Prop 19 not passing will effect that vote?

Meanwhile many thousands of people will be victimized as they are now, loose their jobs, get criminal records, fined and locked up and continue to suffer because YOU did not vote YES!....

Do you really want to be responsible for that?

If Prop 19 passes, do you really think that LEO's will bother to be going around and measuring every single grow that will crop up? (there will be literally thousands more than there are today) and what the grower is doing with the 'erb grown?.....I very much doubt it, cops have much more important things to do, like busting real criminals who commit crimes with victims.....that's what they should be doing....

Gypsy,

It's obvious to me the anti-19s would be dancing in the streets if your scenario unfolds. It's overly obvious that these people aren't anti prop 19, they are anti legalization.

As long as they can keep doing their small little operations and selling it on the underground, why would they care about anyone else?

It's easy untaxed money that requires no real work or education to succeed. I can see it for what it is, even if they refuse to tell us their true reasoning.

I can understand that. I can understand being afraid of losing your only source of income because you aren't skilled or educated enough to turn your industry legitimate or get a real job.

But they hide under these ridiculous claims, as if they were legitimate reasons not to vote in favor of this proposition. I agree 19 isnt the end all be all free for all that so many envisioned.

But at least its a start in the right direction. We lose nothing if this passes, and stand to gain alot. If nothing else, this will take all the heat of us small-to-middle sized growers and put it on the people who are trying to set up 100,000 sqft grows.

Love him or hate him, you have to give Richard Lee respect. I've always thought of him and his gang of four up in oakland to be a bunch of clowns. But seeing this guy put his balls on the line and take over the spot as THE BIGGEST target in california speaks volume.

If he's willing to take that position, that means he's already setup his lawyers for when he gets busted and take this to the supreme court. Not only is he willing to go toe-to-toe with the government, hes also put up over $2,000,000 usd to get to this point.

-BhT

 

[ReelBusy1]

Gypsy,

It's obvious to me the anti-19s would be dancing in the streets if your scenario unfolds. It's overly obvious that these people aren't anti prop 19, they are anti legalization.

As long as they can keep doing their small little operations and selling it on the underground, why would they care about anyone else?

because going to jail for cannabis "crimes" sucks.
Big time

 

[Truthfully]

Cannabus???

WTF is that???

The original poster leaves us scratching out heads...proper spelling begets proper respect. Improper spelling and grammar usage leaves us wondering about the original posters' mental capacity and abilities.

 

[kmk420kali]

Cannabus???

WTF is that???

The original poster leaves us scratching out heads...proper spelling begets proper respect. Improper spelling and grammar usage leaves us wondering about the original posters' mental capacity and abilities.

He spelled it incorrectly a couple times...get over it--
Anybody can do that...don't believe me??

Cannabus???

WTF is that???

The original poster leaves us scratching out heads...proper spelling begets proper respect. Improper spelling and grammar usage leaves us wondering about the original posters' mental capacity and abilities.

You must have diminished mental capacity and abilities--
Nice first post!!

 

[dagnabit]

Cannabus???

WTF is that???

The original poster leaves us scratching out heads...proper spelling begets proper respect. Improper spelling and grammar usage leaves us wondering about the original posters' mental capacity and abilities.

spelling falls on the list of importance right between shit flavored candy and superman 36 the quest for cryptonite balls..

move along....

 

[BigBudBill]

Cannabus???

WTF is that???

The original poster leaves us scratching out heads...proper spelling begets proper respect. Improper spelling and grammar usage leaves us wondering about the original posters' mental capacity and abilities.

My NorCal Tour bus.