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Grat3fulh3ad

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if you look for anything on the internet you will find it. Penguins can't fly, heres footage of them flying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxmpihCjqw&NR=1&feature=fvwp it doesnt mean penguins can fly though. This is the the problem that i was refering to in my earlier post, most dont have the ability to weigh up the oposing arguements. What possible reasons could the oil men have for stating that global warming isnt happening? If you cant think of any for yourself, then no matter what anyone else says to you, you wont believe them.

It's like talking to a brick wall, ain't it?

frustrating as hell and it's never going to learn anything.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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I would like to express my appreciation to dagnabit for doing his best to exemplify the tactics outlined in the original post. His examples have done more to prove the point of the original post, than any other single thing in the entire thread.

kudos, dagnabit on a classic denialist role perfectly played.

kudos and thanks.

Why is it important to define the tactics of denialism? Good faith discussion requires consideration of the full body of scientific evidence. This is difficult when confronted with rhetorical techniques which are designed to distort and distract. Identifying and publicly exposing these tactics are the first step in redirecting discussion back to a focus on the science.
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
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well this is the point where head and i diverge. I, while believeing there is in fighting among the oligarchs, accept the new world order as a reality. and i accept that global warming is being used to maintain certain power structures as the status quo. however that doesn't prevent it from being true. however i have yet to see any creationist theories that even could be true. if i told you that this cardboard box contained a green monster from a race of beings who created the universe, and that it wanted you to give me your cash, but if you looked inside the box, the monster would turn invisible and you couldnt see it, would you believe me? what is the diff between that and tales of a sky god?
global warming scientists says here is what we have seen, go and look for yourself.
 
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BrnCow

De Nile

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Is this thread heading back into that old boring "The earth is round" rumor again? We know it's flat!
 
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While I do believe global warming is taking place, those that would have you believe we have that much of an impact (or the cure for our own good...at my expense) can pound their drum all day for all I care.

Like I have said before, you want to believe you're that significant, turn off a light.

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GMT

The Tri Guy
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you do realise that the belief that people thought the world was flat is another of those urban myths that arent true dont ya? at no point in time has anyone ever believed the world to be flat.
 
Oil men exist. Conspiracy of 'an elite cabal ruling the world' probably does not.
The likelyhood of all the world's scientists conspiring to promote a government agenda is slim to none.

I arrived at the conclusions I have arrived at by careful consideration of the case as presented by all sides.
Nothing at all 'faith like' in my conclusions.

If you bother to seriously study up on the science, the conclusion is inescapable.
global warming is simple physics and easily demonstrated.

All the world's scientists have data to support man-made global warming at their command? Really?! And you've examined all the relevant data yourself? Damn, I guess I'm out of my league here. But have you done a google search for antarctic ice? What comes up but antarctic ice growing? There seems to be research indicating such. How does that fit in to the "Science of Global Warming?"
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
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ips, is your objection the science or the fact that it will cost you more to continue to damage the earth?
 

Green lung

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All the world's scientists have data to support man-made global warming at their command? Really?! And you've examined all the relevant data yourself? Damn, I guess I'm out of my league here. But have you done a google search for antarctic ice? What comes up but antarctic ice growing? There seems to be research indicating such. How does that fit in to the "Science of Global Warming?"


Its the Rothschilds maaaan.......There screwin with the ice:dance013:
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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I agree that some governing entities are using the facts surrounding global warming to advance their own agenda, but there is no single entity running the world.

Like I've always said... I think the market can do a better job than the government, and do not thing taxation is the most effective or ideal solution... in order to work toward solution, the market needs to know the reality of the situation... Denialism only makes government intervention more likely to be deemed necessary. A well informed public making smart market choices is the wisest course, imho.
 

GMT

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you mean youre really asking why in parts of the globe where the temp is below 0, there is water freezing? oh well thats it then, proof, if water will freeze, the average temp accross the rest of the globe cant be affected at all can it? forget the fact that the temps in the antarctic are a lot lower than 0, so a rise of even a massive 5 degress wouldnt rise that temp above 0, if water will freeze anywhere, then the average temp cant be rising. how could i have been so silly to overlook that level of arguement.

sorry but come on, only a sarcastic response could have been expected to that
 

dagnabit

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I would like to express my appreciation to dagnabit for doing his best to exemplify the tactics outlined in the original post. His examples have done more to prove the point of the original post, than any other single thing in the entire thread.

kudos, dagnabit on a classic denialist role perfectly played.

kudos and thanks.

your welcome!

and give yourself a pat too pot. the kettle cant take all the credit.

but this thread is about denialisim right? its not anything specific you are referring to is it?

so far your tactics concerning creationisim are those of a "denialist"

i did not think we were debating anything else.

but your gonna be the first in scientific history to prove a negative using the scientific method!
revolutionary!!!!

:thank you: :thank you: :thank you:

amazing!!!!!
a whole new world!!!
science can now disprove god once and for all!!!
can anyone say nobel?!?!?:jump:
 
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In~Plain~Site

ips, is your objection the science or the fact that it will cost you more to continue to damage the earth?

My gripe is with the flawed science that will cost me more, that is until they figure out we had no impact/control over global warming/cooling cycles millions of years old....woops.

Like I said, if you want to sleep more soundly, decrease your own foot-print, but stay out of my business.
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
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sorry ips, but you destroying the planet i live on IS my business. If you dont think it is, then how is me supporting movements that WILL cost you money any of your business?
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
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All the world's scientists have data to support man-made global warming at their command? Really?! And you've examined all the relevant data yourself? Damn, I guess I'm out of my league here. But have you done a google search for antarctic ice? What comes up but antarctic ice growing? There seems to be research indicating such. How does that fit in to the "Science of Global Warming?"

Yes I've studied that already and yes it fits in perfectly well.

Please, take the time to have all of your questions answered, at my friend's website which has taken the time to collect and collate all of the available pertinent information. If you honestly seek the answers to your questions there, and still think AGW is a new world order fabrication, I'll be more than happy to continue this discussion.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/
I will willingly consider any evidence you can provide which you think is unaccounted for as well.

My friends at skeptical science have some an excellent job presenting information, and even post up both sides of the email discussions they've had with some of the more prominent deniers.

Please.
I'd love to talk to someone skeptical who is willing to be rational and explore all the sides of the issue along with me...
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
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your welcome!

and give yourself a pat too pot. the kettle cant take all the credit.

but this thread is about denialisim right? its not anything specific you are referring to is it?

so far your tactics concerning creationisim are those of a "denialist"

i did not think we were debating anything else.

but your gonna be the first in scientific history to prove a negative using the scientific method!
revolutionary!!!!

:thank you: :thank you: :thank you:

amazing!!!!!
a whole new world!!!
science can now disprove god once and for all!!!
can anyone say nobel?!?!?:jump:

Point out which of the denialist tactics I have used, or stop with the false accusations.
Nothing I said involves the proving of a negative. You are confused.

You want to start a thread on creationism vs science? I'll be more than happy to participate.
until then, your false accusations and ad hominem attacks exemplify denialists.
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
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finally..

we all admit its just another "global warming" thread...

awesome the bullshit pretense is done...

have fun..
:wave:

Please, take the time to have all of your questions answered, at my friend's website which has taken the time to collect and collate all of the pertinent information. If you honestly seek the answers to your questions there, and still think AGW is a new world order fabrication, I'll be more than happy to continue this discussion.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/
I will willingly consider any evidence you can provide which you think is unaccounted for as well.

My friends at skeptical science have some an excellent job presenting information, and even post up both sides of the email discussions they've had with some of the more prominent deniers.

Please.
I'd love to talk to someone skeptical who is willing to be rational and explore all the sides of the issue along with me...

"denialisim"

LOL
 

Grat3fulh3ad

The Voice of Reason
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finally..

we all admit its just another "global warming" thread...

awesome the bullshit pretense is done...

have fun..
:wave:



"denialisim"

LOL

Nope, I was answering a persons post, which was specifically about global warming.

AGW denialism is merely one species of the thing this thread is about.


you fail again!
damn you're good at looking desperate.
 
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