ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[localhero]

or what about socal, ive alway wanted to grow a nice field of huge savtiva's somewhere a little inland of san diego in the foothills. but i guess so cal might be one of the places likely full of dry countys?

peace

san dieog no doubt, they tried a couple times to over turn 215. who knows maybe they will, but for sure there will be dry counties.

im a grower in so cal, my thinking is for cannabis to be truly happy, it wants hot days and low humidity cool nights. which right now i have neither. i mean theres a reason why norcal is the growing hot spot. not just cus its cheap and close enough to sf to attract the hippies. maybe i should be in the valley, or santa clarita where i grew up.

southern areas, probably better for sativas is my guess? but i mean the area with the most cheap flat cultivatable land is probably in the central cali area and probably where people will look at if they had free reign. i wouldnt wanna live there lol.

 

[blancorasta]

like near wine country huh, that would be nice too

 

[localhero]

will these smoke lounge's be like canada's a bring your own bud situation?
Cause other wise, if the lounge sells, would that be the kind of place the feds might start lookin at first; buying and using overtly, seems like a big slap in the face that they wouldnt stand for?

peace

heres the main commercial positions 19 opens up as i understand:

cultivator
smoke lounge
retail store (non med co-op)
seed and clones suppliers
hemp cultivation

so im sure the cities will regulate differently for each.

a lounge that allowed you to bring your own and grab a coffee, chill out whatever, but not sell cannabis would probably only be constrained by zoning laws and not a hefty licensing fee.

a retail outlet, like a liquor store, would probably come at a high licensing fee, and zoning restrictions + local mandatory tax on cannabis sold.

a commercial cultivation operation would probably be subject to regulation similar to how a hog farm has to comply with health and safety guidelines. maybe thats a terrible analogy, but u get the idea. im sure this type of venture would be the big prize as far as being expensive and or exclusionary.

the seed sellers would probably have it the best. they arent selling smokeable/consumeable product.

the hemp farmers would probably have relatively loose guidelines and far easier licensing hurdles, than the cannabis for consumption folks.

 

[igrowone]

im not trying to cast a doom and gloom scenario, just point to somehting i never thought of. mainly that no matter what or how low the tax is, it will be higher than the med clubs and thats gonna put you at a strong disadvantage if your idea was to set up a weed shop.

smoke lounges on the otherhand would be advantageous. the idea being : liquor store is to weed shop as bar is to smoke lounge.

damn i wanna go to a smoke lounge

it is interesting to look out and see what what might be
at the start, rec shops/lounges would make a lot of sense in a resort setting
dispensaries for cali residents, lounges for the out of state tourists who don't mind paying top dollar for the cali MJ experience

 

[dagnabit]

not in dry counties or places where they put a stupid tax on sales. but the counties that do not place prohibitive sales, liscensing and zoning restrictions, and not in small amounts, will be making moolah.

and the one that go dry will see the "moolah" in this economy and change their stance QUICK no need to force anything on them.

i like the prohibition of dry counties, almost all states have that law to abolish bible dry counties.

Alabama specifically allows cities and counties to elect to go dry by public referendum.[5]
Alaska specifically allows local jurisdictions to elect to go dry by public referendum.[6]
Arkansas specifically allows local jurisdictions to elect to go dry by public referendum.[7]
California specifically allows local jurisdictions to enact liquor laws which are more strict than state law.[8]
Colorado specifically allows cities and counties to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to go dry.[9]
Connecticut specifically allows towns to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to go dry.[10]
Delaware's state constitution allows specifically-defined local districts to elect to go dry by public referendum.[11]
Florida specifically allows counties to elect to go dry by public referendum.[12]
Georgia specifically allows any local jurisdiction to go dry, without limitation on how that decision is made.[13]
Idaho allows local jurisdictions to prohibit sale of liquor by the drink by public referendum,[14] but because all retail package sales are controlled by the state, no local jurisdiction may prohibit package liquor sales for consumption off-premises.
Kansas is dry by default; counties have to choose to allow liquor sales in order for liquor to be sold at all in the county.[15] (see Alcohol laws of Kansas)
Kentucky specifically allows local jurisdictions to elect to go dry by public referendum.[16] The Kentucky Constitution implies that the default wet/dry status of any local subdivision reflects the state of its local laws at the time that statewide prohibition ended.[17]
Louisiana specifically allows local jurisdictions to go dry, without limitation on how that decision is made.[18]
Maine specifically allows local jurisdictions to elect to go dry by public referendum.[19]
Massachusetts requires that a series of questions of whether to go dry be placed on each municipality's local ballot every two years, unless the municipality has voted to allow or prohibit liquor sales in three such consecutive elections.[20]
Michigan allows any city, village, or township in which there are no retail liquor licenses to prohibit the retail sale of alcoholic liquor within its borders by passage of an ordinance.[21]
Minnesota allows any local jurisdiction to enact laws which are more strict than state liquor law, including completely prohibiting the sale, possession, and consumption of alcoholic beverages.[22]
Mississippi is dry by default; local jurisdictions have to choose to allow liquor sales in order for liquor to be sold at all in the county.[23]
New Hampshire specifically allows local jurisdictions to elect to go dry by public referendum.[24]
New Jersey specifically allows local jurisdictions to exercise full control over alcoholic beverages, including completely prohibiting all alcohol.[25]
New Mexico is wet by default, however dry on Sundays until Noon. It is however allowed for local jurisdictions to elect to go dry by public referendum.[26]
New York specifically allows cities and counties to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to go dry.[27] (see Alcohol laws of New York)
North Carolina allows certain classes of local jurisdictions to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to go dry.[28]
Ohio state law allows local jurisdictions to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to prohibit the sale of liquor.[29]
Rhode Island state law allows local jurisdictions to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to prohibit the sale of liquor.[30]
South Dakota allows certain classes of local jurisdictions to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to prohibit the on-premises sale of liquor.[31]
Tennessee is dry by default; local jurisdictions must choose whether to allow liquor sales in order for liquor to be sold.[32]
Texas allows local jurisdictions to exercise a local option to decide whether it is "wet" or "dry," and does not limit how that decision shall be made.[33]
Vermont allows municipalities to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to prohibit the sale of liquor.[34]
Virginia allows local jurisdictions to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to prohibit the sale of liquor.[35]
Washington allows local jurisdictions to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to prohibit the sale of liquor.[36]
West Virginia allows local jurisdictions to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to prohibit the sale of liquor.[37]
Wisconsin allows local jurisdictions to exercise a local option by public referendum whether to prohibit the sale of liquor.[38]

Seventeen states have laws which preclude the existence of any dry counties whatsoever:
Arizona prohibits local jurisdictions from enacting any alcohol laws stricter than state law.[39] As a result, no dry communities can exist in Arizona.
Hawaii does not allow for any local control of liquor beyond licensing of manufacture and sale.[40]
Illinois only allows for local control as to the "number, kind and classification of licenses, for sale at retail of alcoholic liquor," but such local control cannot supersede state law, thereby preventing any local jurisdiction from going dry.[41]
Indiana's comprehensive state alcohol laws only allow local liquor boards to issue liquor licenses for sale and manufacture; all other regulation of alcohol is an operation of state law.[42]
Iowa state law specifically requires each county's liquor board to allow liquor licenses and follow the provisions of state liquor law.[43] As a result, there can be no dry cities or counties in Iowa.
Maryland prohibits local jurisdictions from imposing restrictions on licensing which are more strict than state law.[44]
Missouri state law specifically prohibits any counties, or unincorporated city or town from banning the retail sale of liquor, but only allows incorporated cities to ban the sale of liquor by the drink by public referendum.[45] No incorporated Missouri cities have ever chosen to hold a referendum banning alcohol sales. In addition, Missouri state law specifically supersedes any local laws that restrict the sale of alcohol.[46] (see Alcohol laws of Missouri)
Montana state law vests control of alcoholic beverages solely in the power of the state, although county voters may, by initiative, prohibit alcohol sales.[47][47][48]
Nebraska only grants local governing bodies authority to approve applications and deny licenses pursuant to state law.[49]
Nevada state law specifically requires each county's board of county commissioners to allow liquor licenses and follow the provisions of state liquor law.[50] As a result, there can be no dry cities or counties in Nevada, except that a few rural jurisdictions in are grandfathered into the ability to still be partially or totally dry.
North Dakota state law provides that each local jurisdiction's liquor board must allow liquor licenses, and sets the range of allowable fees.[51]
Oklahoma state law requires the liquor ordinances of municipalities and counties to conform to the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Act, and prohibits local jurisdictions from enacting penalties more severe than those of the state law.[52] As a result, there can be no dry cities or counties in Oklahoma. (see Alcohol laws of Oklahoma)
Oregon's Liquor Control Act, which is "designed to operate uniformly throughout the state," specifically replaces and supersedes "any and all municipal charter enactments or local ordinances inconsistent with it," thereby precluding dry communities in Oregon.[53]
Pennsylvania state law vests control of alcoholic beverages solely in the power of the state.[54]
South Carolina state law vests control of alcoholic beverages exclusively in the power of the state.[55]
Utah state law provides that local jurisdictions only may enact alcohol control legislation which does not conflict with state law, thereby precluding the ability of communities to go dry.[56]
Wyoming state law provides that each local jurisdiction's liquor board must allow liquor licenses.[57]

 

[Guest 88950]

Before anyone gets anymore excited over that article that was posted yesterday. Take a look at the entire thing.

http://www.rhdefense.com/blog/marijuana-law/blowing-smoke-proposition-19-medical-marijuana/

......

"Probable Cause The Legal Blog with the Really Low Standard of Review"


how can you take that blog seriously when this is the title of the blog.

 

[blancorasta]

the seed sellers would probably have it the best. they arent selling smokeable/consumeable product. .

do you think clones would be treated the same as seeds?

and could the lounge's sells seeds then?

the hemp farmers would probably have relatively loose guidelines and far easier licensing hurdles, than the cannabis for consumption folks.

are there wild cbd dominant hemp cannabis varieties available or would they be growing current landraces or hybrids and be required to denature it like is done with ethynol production for fuel?

thanks,
peace

 

[rick shaw]

I do not think the end price for non-mmj and mmj will differ.Whenever dispensaries were asked about high prices they say "to keep it out of the black market". On the other side will a new, heavily regulated industry.I see $40-$75 eights on the civilian market.$20-50 clones.Never underestimate the greed of business people,Ive been a bicycle messenger for over twenty years.Where there is money there is greed.

 

[localhero]

ok dag fine, 17 states have laws that prohibit dry counties, and a state allows dry sundays and california can enact stricter alcohol laws. i dont understand your fascination with allowing dry counties, but whatever. i mispoke, i thought when i viewed the list of dry counties i put up, realizing that they only came from a handfull of states and remembering reading in that same article that many states outlawed dry counties- just ASSUMED that the reason was that the rest of the states outlawed them. my bad.

blanco, once i was in nebraska driving to this rodeo and on this dirt road, my buddy yelled out to stop. to our right was a massive feild of ganja. we jumped out like it was chrismas and just then some dude in his truck yelled out , "have fun with your headache" and we realized it was all hemp. so i dunno how they determine which strains are good for what, but that roadside ditch weed hemp was nothing like what i grow now.

 

[JackTheGrower]

and the one that go dry will see the "moolah" in this economy and change their stance QUICK no need to force anything on them.

I ponder your rational thoughts and say. Nope! God and The Children will still rule the day.

If these folks could think outside their 1950's mindset we would have Dispensaries for the medical and that is not going to happen either in this Dry County.

Oh black market will still happen.. the only change possible is if law enforcement funding drops and the cannabis is already here in force.. Then they will want to cash in.

Until then they want cheep labor and sober labor to work long shifts for little.

 

[BigBudBill]

Survey SAYS!

Survey SAYS!

This article says we are ahead

From:
http://elections.firedoglake.com/20...upport-for-marijuana-initiative-holds-steady/



According to a new SurveyUSA poll, 50 percent of likely voters in California say they are certain to vote yes on Proposition 19, which would legalize, regulate and tax marijuana. On the other hand, only 40 percent of likely voters said that they are are certain to vote no on Prop 19.

SurveyUSA (8/9-11)
Prop 19
Certain Yes 50%
Certain No 40%
Not Certain 10%

Support for Prop 19 has remained unchanged over the past month. When SurveyUSA polled the same question one month ago, they found the same 50 percent of likely voters certain to vote yes and 40 percent certain to vote no. Combine this with a recent poll about marijuana legalization from Field and a PPP poll on Prop 19, and it seems that there is a bare but firm majority of California voters that supports legalizing marijuana.

 

[dagnabit]

the reason states outlaw dry counties is HUGE lobbing by big alcohol companies to deny the rights of citizens to self govern.
this is also the reason for the corrupt three tier distribution system in this country and why its so hard for you to get a bell's hopslam (the very best beer to drink with SSH in the world!)

so the reason i am vehement about dry counties is our right to self govern on a small scale should be sacrosanct as much as feasible.

 

[CrazyCooter]

NO SHIT!!!!! Tell me where your at wher I can get zips of OG for under 200


I'll come dry your whole county up .......

Will you be able to this under 19? The whole county?

 

[dagnabit]

Will you be able to this under 19? The whole county?

yup
and
yup

 

[Anti]

For some people the fight is to legalize cannabis. For others the fight is the rights of the individual against the fascist state that continues to infringe upon them. There is too much money involved for it not to get legalized in the near future. I just believe individuals should hold out for a better prop while they have the upper hand on the fascists.

If you are sick of being kicked, give the bully your money.

So I suppose you're using wind, solar or bicycles to power the internet connection that you undoubtedly steal from an unsuspecting wifi setup? You never leave your unabomber-style shack in the woods? Do you order all necessary items, toiletries and food from out of state to avoid the sales tax? You bathe in captured rain water, refusing to to pay taxes and get your water turned on? You avoid all roads and highways at all cost?

If not, please go wave your flag somewhere else, because you are NOT the revolution.

 

[localhero]

dammit we almost got through a day without personal attacks. maybe tomorrow.

 

[igrowone]

another favorable poll posted, the number of polls is beginning to add up<br>
it's beginning to seem real to me, no guarantee, but a real chance of passage<br>
long ways to go, the anti forces will begin their assault(if they haven't already)

 

[dagnabit]

another favorable poll posted, the number of polls is beginning to add up<br>
it's beginning to seem real to me, no guarantee, but a real chance of passage<br>
long ways to go, the anti forces will begin their assault(if they haven't already)

if we can win the other smokers/growers who have been fooled by the likes of dragonfly then we may be able to combat the assault coming from entrenched politicians and drug war hawks.

but as a movement divided? im not sure...
this is why i put aside my anger with the anti's and am trying honey.
we can't defeat the drug war machine without ALL of us.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

The problem with the ideas contrary to mine regarding this issue are many. Mostly it is the childish manner with which the some people who are "right" use to push their agenda. Mostly speculation with the inability to understand the other side of the argument and then ended with some name calling. The conclusions most people are basing their arguments on cannot be proven and are formulated in their mind because the wording of 19 is so vague.

If you can cut through all the morality and legality you will end up with a transfer of wealth from the individual California taxpayer to the state and corporations, fascists. I am against this.

Just wondering CC,
Do you buy alcohol?
clothing?
gasoline?
automobiles?
Or any other Taxed or Regulated products?
Or are you also really against them all, each and every one?

I asked you this before in the same thread but no answer from you yet......

-SamS

Originally Posted by CrazyCooter
"For some people the fight is to legalize cannabis. For others the fight is the rights of the individual against the fascist state that continues to infringe upon them. There is too much money involved for it not to get legalized in the near future. I just believe individuals should hold out for a better prop while they have the upper hand on the fascists.
If you are sick of being kicked, give the bully your money."

If you are sick of being kicked, give the growers your money.
$60 an eighth, but don't worry your cash is going to worthy people like CC.

PS I wish you all the luck in your Don Quixote'ish fight against government and corporate domination, but like the war on drugs, you will need to prepare for the long fight.
I don't care a shit about politics unless they relate to Cannabis, that is my focus and to me you are just using Cannabis to achieve your own goals, pretty common and expected. I know many can rise above their condition and try and help change the laws prohibiting Cannabis worldwide, starting with Prop 19. Maybe one day you will be able to see the need for changing the laws against Cannabis, until then what can I say?.....

-SamS

 

[Pinball Wizard]

I hope it passes...I reserved a railroad boxcar...just in case