ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

A REAL LAWYER who actually practices Criminal Law in California has this to say about prop 19 destroying Prop 215 and SB420... (gues icmag endorses destroying mmj in cali)



THAT IS WHAT A REAL LAWYER SAYS.

That argument is fucking weak. This is the equivilant of saying, lets keep alcohol prohibited because counties can control it to their wishing....

Well ill tell you what, it sure seems to me that people will accept all the problems alcohol brings as long as they are getting paid for it...

Tell me, how many dry counties are left in the USA? And in this time of a economic crisis, who would be arrogant enough to throw the revenue to the wind and stifle something that would bring so many new jobs to the table?

The reason MJ was left for localities to decide is so that 19 wasnt instantly shot down. If 19 took away the town's power to decide if they want legal mj in their community, 19 wouldnt have a chance, and they know this.

It was written so that even people who dont use mj arent instantly opposed to legalization.

And im supposed to trust some lawyer? One who probably reps the very same dispensaries who are opposed to 19? waddafuukkkjoke.....

 

[dagnabit]

Not to demean or combat you. However they would just then raise the commercial tax for 1+ acre even steeper. Not saying it's a totally bad idea but the tax needs to be based on a per square yard or square acre basis to be fairly taxed. A whole chain of subsidaries could own 1 acre each and provide for a larger company tax free. Or said company could be large enough to where the current commercial tax from the prop is chump change.

-S.E.

this is why i like the individual municipalities having discretion.
a one size fits all solution in a state as large as california is not practical.government is a lot easier to change at the local level as well. like i said before millages have been known to pass by one vote in rural counties. councilmen rely on complacency a well organized campaign in smaller communities have city council members scurrying like roaches when the light comes on.

 

[StoneElemental]

Hah! I can only think of one in tennessee....I read the bottle and am a certified bartender haha.

Sourmash whiskey sure does sound nice about now..

-S.E.

Tell me, how many dry counties are left in the USA?

 

[JackTheGrower]

Would medical growing for someone else or even gifting more than an ounce be considered commercial grow?
If so anyone growing for a collective would be subject to the commercial restrictions medical or not yes?
It would make the Little Guy subject to local taxes, fees and a reduced price for their produce from competition of large scale commercial producers I would think.

 

[localhero]

Tell me, how many dry counties are left in the USA?

more than one:

Dry Counties in the U.S.

This is a partial list

• ALABAMA
  1. Bibb
  2. Blount
  3. Cherokee
  4. Chilton
  5. Clarke
  6. Clay
  7. Coffee
  8. Cullman
  9. DeKalb
  10. Fayette
  11. Franklin
  12. Geneva
  13. Jackson
  14. Lamar
  15. Lauderdale
  16. Lawrence
  17. Marion
  18. Marshall
  19. Monroe
  20. Morgan
  21. Pickens
  22. Randolph
  23. Washington
  24. Winston
• ARKANSAS
  1. Ashley
  2. Benton
  3. Boone
  4. Bradley
  5. Clark
  6. Clay
  7. Cleburne
  8. Columbia
  9. Craighead
  10. Crawford
  11. Faulkner
  12. Fulton
  13. Grant
  14. Hempstead
  15. Hot Spring
  16. Howard
  17. Independence
  18. Izard
  19. Johnson
  20. Lafayette
  21. Lawrence
  22. Lincoln
  23. Little River
  24. Lonoke
  25. Madison
  26. Marion
  27. Montgomery
  28. Nevada
  29. Newton
  30. Perry
  31. Pike
  32. Polk
  33. Pope
  34. Randolph
  35. Saline
  36. Scott
  37. Searcy
  38. Sevier
  39. Sharp
  40. Stone
  41. Van Buren
  42. WhiteYell
• FLORIDA
  1. Lafayette
  2. Liberty
  3. Madison
  4. Suwannee
  5. Washington
• KANSAS
  1. Barber
  2. Chautauqua
  3. Cherokee
  4. Clark
  5. Clay
  6. Comanche
  7. Doniphan
  8. Elk
  9. Gove
  10. Grant
  11. Greeley
  12. Hamilton
  13. Harper
  14. Haskell
  15. Jewell
  16. Kiowa
  17. Lane
  18. Logan
  19. Meade
  20. Morton
  21. Osborne
  22. Ottawa
  23. Rice
  24. Scott
  25. Sheridan
  26. Stafford
  27. Stanton
  28. Stevens
  29. Wallace
  30. Wichita
  31. Woodson
• KENTUCKY
  1. Adair
  2. Allen
  3. Ballard
  4. Barren
  5. Bath
  6. Bell
  7. Breathitt
  8. Breckenridge
  9. Butler
  10. Caldwell
  11. Carlisle
  12. Carter
  13. Casey
  14. Clay
  15. Clinton
  16. Crittenden
  17. Cumberland
  18. Edmonson
  19. Elliott
  20. Estill
  21. Fleming
  22. Garrard
  23. Grant
  24. Graves
  25. Grayson
  26. Greenup
  27. Hancock
  28. Hickman
  29. Jackson
  30. Johnson
  31. Knox
  32. Knott
  33. LaRue
  34. Laurel
  35. Lawrence
  36. Lee
  37. Leslie
  38. Letcher
  39. Lincoln
  40. Livingston
  41. Marshall
  42. Martin
  43. McCreary
  44. McCreary
  45. McLean
  46. Menifee
  47. Mercer
  48. Metcalfe
  49. Monroe
  50. Morgan
  51. Ohio
  52. Oldham
  53. Owen
  54. Owsley
  55. Powell
  56. Pulaski
  57. Robertson
  58. Rockcastle
  59. Russell
  60. Shelby
  61. Simpson
  62. Spencer
  63. Taylor
  64. Trimble
  65. Trigg
  66. Wayne
  67. Webster
  68. Whitley
  69. Woodford
• MISSISSIPPI
  1. Alcorn
  2. Attala
  3. Benton
  4. Calhoun
  5. Clarke
  6. Franklin
  7. George
  8. Greene
  9. Leake
  10. Lincoln
  11. Newton
  12. Pearl River
  13. Pontotoc
  14. Prentiss
  15. Scott
  16. Simpson
  17. Smith
  18. Tate
  19. Wayne
  20. Webster
• TEXAS
  1. Andrews
  2. Angelina
  3. Armstrong
  4. Bailey
  5. Borden
  6. Bowie
  7. Floyd
  8. Cochran
  9. Collingsworth
  10. Cottle
  11. Crosby
  12. Dawson
  13. Delta
  14. Erath
  15. Fisher
  16. Franklin
  17. Gaines
  18. Hale
  19. Hansford
  20. Hemphill
  21. Houston
  22. Johnson
  23. Jones
  24. Kent
  25. Knox
  26. Lamb
  27. Lubbock
  28. Lynn
  29. Morris
  30. Motley
  31. Ochiltree
  32. Panola
  33. Parmer
  34. Roberts
  35. Rusk
  36. Sherman
  37. Smith
  38. Sterling
  39. Swisher
  40. Terry
  41. Throckmorton
  42. Tyler
  43. Van Zandt
  44. Wood
  45. Yoakyum
• VIRGINIA
  1. Appomattox
  2. Bland
  3. Botetour
  4. Buchanan
  5. Campbell
  6. Carroll
  7. Charlotte
  8. Craig
  9. Dickenson
  10. Floyd
  11. Franklin
  12. Giles
  13. Grayson
  14. Greene
  15. Halifax
  16. Henry
  17. Highland
  18. King William
  19. Lee
  20. Louisa
  21. Lunenburg
  22. Mecklenburg
  23. Montgomery
  24. Patrick
  25. Pittsylvania
  26. Pulaski
  27. Russell
  28. Scott
  29. Smythe
  30. Surry
  31. Tazewell
  32. Warren
  33. Washington
  34. Wise
  35. Wythe

 

[JackTheGrower]

No California Counties?

 

[dagnabit]

Hah! I can only think of one in tennessee....I read the bottle and am a certified bartender haha.

Sourmash whiskey sure does sound nice about now..

-S.E.

TN is wierd..

cant buy jack daniels inthe county where they make it

no purchase on sunday in a lot of counties (except in bars in davidson co.) only liquor and cigs in a liquor store in nashville NO MIXERS in the same store (bongs are ok though) LOL

i liked eastern TN though...

 

[StoneElemental]

Sheesh local cut that thing down smaller, is someone trying to compensate? Hahaha jokes bro, but seriously dry county only means it can't be sold there. You can still make it and sell it elsewhere or if you're not distilling you can make a spirit of your choice within reasonable limits for personal consumption. Thanks for continually helping provide information despite its ridiculous format haha.

-S.E.

 

[localhero]

lol yeah i couldnt wrap the list. but the point is, there are alot of dry counties, and the only way to really stop that from happening is by states creating laws that prohibit dry counties. its something we can all take a page from in our work to make it legal in cali. i even worked on a campaign in texas to eliminate a dry district. i hate texas, people were soooo affraid to sign the petition. no joke they were seriously worried that their neighbors would see their sig.. i just wish i could have spent some time in austin.

 

[dagnabit]

i like that you were in a tie...but your hiding behind that tree right there...

why?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Maybe when they came they shot your dog, broke your lamps and killed your plants. When you got bailed out, your neighbors gave you funny looks when you got home.

I had a co-op 15 light op going with my brother in complete compliance with 215 and came home from vacation to find the place trashed, all lamps smashed, all ballast cords cut, plant matter lying everywhere, flat screen tv's missing, laptops and computers missing and a confiscated item list nailed to the wall in the grow.

Had to go through the battle of the court,, pays thousands in legal fees,, spend time in county,,, pretty much thinking my life was fuuuucked.

Yeah 215 is fucking wonderful. Now some shithead cops are watching their precious 24 on my 55" LED flat screens....

THANKS 215!!!!!


now im going to play a skip here ::::

"dont want cops destroying your house and stealing your tvs,,computers,, watches ((basically anything worth taking)) while intentionally smashing windows and breaking doors that had no locks and steal all your genetics and fuck up all your hard earned work????

THEN FUCKING LEGALIZE IT!!! VOTE YES FOR 19!!!!!

 

[dagnabit]

lol yeah i couldnt wrap the list. but the point is, there are alot of dry counties, and the only way to really stop that from happening is by states creating laws that prohibit dry counties. its something we can all take a page from in our work to make it legal in cali.

dry counties are AWESOME!!!!!

that's America at its core. a thousand small experiments and localities with small differences for every palette. have you ever lived in a dry county? guess who loves dry counties SMALL BUSINESS MEN who live in them. set up shop right at the county line with liquor stores and bars.

 

[StoneElemental]

Eliminating dry counties sounds kinda unconstitutional and well wrong. Taking away a locales ability to self govern just seems wrong. Just my thought on it anyway.

-S.E.

lol yeah i couldnt wrap the list. but the point is, there are alot of dry counties, and the only way to really stop that from happening is by states creating laws that prohibit dry counties. its something we can all take a page from in our work to make it legal in cali. i even worked on a campaign in texas to eliminate a dry district. i hate texas, people were soooo affraid to sign the petition. no joke they were seriously worried that their neighbors would see their sig.. i just wish i could have spent some time in austin.

 

[JJScorpio]

And this has to do with what? LOL.

I'm simply pointing out the wording of the Bill. If that offends you, that's your problem. You have posted more false claims in this thread meant for no other reason than to try and spread fear. It's odd how earlier today the thread got civil without your fearmongering and upsetting people with your unfounded statements.

I posted the Bill. If there's something you care to refute, have at it.If you're only intent is to make foolish comments, take a walk....

you are in New York... do you know about California's prop 13? Have you actually read our states Tax code? Have you ever dealt with our states two main tax agencies, Board of Equalization and Franchise Tax board? Have you ever done the taxes and had them accepted by the IRS for a legitimate weed business?

Dude I'm sorry but your outta your fucking element and don't understand how things actually work in California.

 

[localhero]

dry counties are AWESOME!!!!!

that's America at its core. a thousand small experiments and localities with small differences for every palette. have you ever lived in a dry county? guess who loves dry counties SMALL BUSINESS MEN who live in them. set up shop right at the county line with liquor stores and bars.

guess who doesnt like dry counties? the friends and family of people killed by drunk drivers who had to drive way out to the next county to get their booze.

 

[Hammerhead]

Ya I feel ya big. I wont do grows like that anymore. I take care of only a few people now with the major end user is me. When Leo sees lots of plants they don't give a rats ass if you are in compliance they will fuck up your house and make you prove your innocence later.

 

[kmk420kali]

now im going to play a skip here ::::

"dont want cops destroying your house and stealing your tvs,,computers,, watches ((basically anything worth taking)) while intentionally smashing windows and breaking doors that had no locks and steal all your genetics and fuck up all your hard earned work????

THEN FUCKING LEGALIZE IT!!! VOTE YES FOR 19!!!!!

I concur!! But please ppl...(Not intended for you BHT--) Please quit trying to say that anybody with questions is the enemy-- We are not!!
We are all merely ppl...who like you, are fighting the good fight--
But with questions--
Can anybody really say they trust this Prop soooo much, that they do not have questions about it? If so, sorry...but you should never "Not Question" anything!!
Vote for the progression of Legalization...Vote Yes on 19...but, do not be fooled...Prop 19 is not Legalization...it is merely Regulation-- It says so in the Title--

 

[someotherguy]

I'm sorry but I have been affected by this war. They have been unethical. When you are fighting an unfair opponent who cheats, then ethics goes out the window. They have none. What does it gain us to lose ethically? So we can say "AT least we didnt cheat" while we sit in jail?

better to sit in jail my friend than surrender your integrity.

if you follow this logic you slide down the slippery slope
that leads eventually to you being no better than your enemy.

and btw, you're not the only one who has been affected.

Remember the tactics the Cong used. Remember the Tet offensive? They attacked during a cease fire. Was that ethical? Your prohibitionist government learned lessons then and has been using them. Fuck ethics in this fight. Find another cause to be ethical in. We could have been ethical during the 70's but this is a different day and age. Your government full of liars has caused so much pain and misery just to achieve power. Why in the hell should we worry about ethics?

at the end of the day man, your word is all you have
that has any value and each lie you tell makes the next
one much less distasteful than the last.

if we allow ourselves to follow this flawed logic than
it'll be ok for us to behead muslim extremists because
they did it to us.

no, when i lie on my deathbed the only thing i take
with me is my integrity.

The means justifies the end in this case. Dont lose the fight just to be ethical, this isnt a sporting event, it's lives we are talking about here now.

no man, the ends don't justify the means, ever, you
are either a man of principle who does what he feels
is right or your not.

and now you have a chance to be a man of conscience,
a chance to do the right thing AND protect yourself
at the same time!

it's time brother, it's time to regain our dignity and
free the weed so we no longer have to hide!

EDIT: But yeah fuck the assholes trying to protect an income stream. They should learn 2 business better. Better products, better genetics, better methods. That will always demand the highest dollar even in a passed prop 19 market. Peace

like i already said, if you have a legitimate need for
medical reasons than you will be protected by 215
but if that is your only concern than you have already
lost your integrity and are only concerned with yourself.

peace, SOG

Vote Yes On Prop 19 !!! (for those who don't
have a legitimate medical need and are still being oppressed)

 

[JJScorpio]

Yeah bro, we are not all hiding--

Big props on having the balls to get right out there kmk420.

Didn't 215 tell us he smoked up at the Capitol in front of a K Nine unit? All I see is someone slinking behind a tree and I can't tell if it's a cig in his mouth, lol..... A pictures worth a thousand words, lol....

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

that's where things got strange, that's exactly what they are trying to do, tax your own personal grow
utterly bogus, hopefully their ass will be handed to them on a plate at the first stage of the court process

jesus christ... you guys act like they already are taxing personal grows!!!!!

that fucking shit RC has proposed HAS TO BE VOTED IN BY THE VOTERS OF RC!!!!!! WHY DONT YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THIS?????



and this is the bullshit I DONT WANT NO FUCKN LEGALIZATION AT ALL stance....

1 person in 1 town in some shit stained part of california can throw up a proposal left to the voters to decide on and all of a sudden 19 is the worst thing since herpes?????

fuck its really not hard to see that it dont matter what is in this bill. the people profiting off 215 just dont want it. they dont want legalization they just want to keep making an easy fucking buck.

so tell me oh wise ones.... if with 215 we can grow AS MUCH AS WE WANT..... then why is price still so fucking high???? hmmmm???? i thought this would bring the price down???? but if it diddnt ,,,, what the fuck would 19 possibly do to change this????

oh evil mr richard leee and his schwag is going to plummet the price???? hbahahhaha if you believe this your a fucking M-O-R-O-N.

i was at a concert the other night and lit up a fuckn joint and had some piecve of shit bouncer get mouthy with me about ""smoking that fuckin weed" and these faggot little prick calls up 7 bouncers to TRY and escort me out,,,,well shit they found out that wasnt going to work !!!!!!! bring 20 of them fuckin gorillas,, you going to need every one of em....

***dont want bouncers trying to get hard for smoking a J at a concert???? then fucking legalize it