ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[Smoke Buddy]

I suggest that you google "chronic pain management contract" and find out what they can deny you treatment for.

I know what a chronic pain management agreement is first hand as we had one when my mom passed from cancer. Its to keep people from getting addicted mainly as pain meds are typically addictive. Im not sure where that ties to cannabis unless you are saying that I would need to diclose the cannabis if I were to sign a CPMA. Yes I would disclose at that point. No conflict there.

I dont know of any cannabis users being denied a CPMA because of cannabis here in Ca. Do you? My Step mom has cancer and when asked, her primary at Kaiser, here in Cali, told her she is free to try cannabis along with her chemo. That JUST happened less than 3 months ago. So Im doubting this is an issue here. They used to deny at the VA but not now. They decided they were going to accept that vets can have a rec and still be treated under a cpma. Things are moving the right direction in this aspect.

Anyhow, Im not into arguing this. People are pretty well decided around here one way or the other. I just wanted to make sure that people understood that under 215 we are not obligated to register with the county, state, police or primary care doc...

 

[Smoke Buddy]

yeah, i question your integrity, or rather, your lack
of integrity.

apparently, as long as you think you're ok, fuck all
those still going to prison.

and yeah, i hope LEO comes to your house, maybe
if they come before Nov. you'll find out how 'legal'
you really are.

and yeah, i'm not real friendly to fucks like you who
refuse to face how important it is to pass this bill.

if you take the time to actually read through this
thread you'll see that all those in favor of Prop 19
agree it is a flawed bill at best, but allowing it to
fail only benefits LEO and criminals so FUCK YOU!

btw, which are you?

peace, SOG

vote yes on Prop 19 !!!

What a brilliantly thoughtful post.
LOL
Im not stooping for ya there snippy.

 

[CrazyCooter]

You and all your tax free talk.

I bet you drive on the roads taxes built don't you? Call the Police when you get robbed? Have kids that go to school? Get free medical care?

Talk about a fascist. You think you're little group of 215'ers should kick back and let others break their backs while paying the taxes that you and the other tax free 215'ers enjoy.

I fucking hate taxes. And taxes wouldn't be so high if there weren't always a group of scammers living off the system all the while they have underground businesses paying them 100 percent tax free money.

People like you will be the reason that 215 collapses for the sick people that really need it. But I'm sure that won't bother you....



I'd much rather see what people really are....

The biggest group of scammers living off the system are the corporate owners and lawmakers. More taxes in any form are not going to help California when the spending goes to corporate profits. Ever hear about Enron?

How do you know how sick I am? Cannabis relieves my condition and I am legal. Period. Sorry to disappoint you JJ but I don't have to lie to anyone to be legal.

Being louder and calling people out only makes your point more valid to you.

Do you know what a fascist or fascism is? It is the union of corporations and government that extracts wealth from the workers of a community through government policy and taxation and transfers the wealth to individuals through corporations and government contracts.

I helped pay for the roads I drive on and Granite Construction takes a huge chunk of what I pay as profit. I called the police when I had a home invasion and they showed up the next day to file a report and said there was nothing they could do. I worked at a school before my job was cut and all the tax dollars I pay go to special education, administration, etc, little to nothing for the kids or teachers.

 

[Smoke Buddy]

Name calling and use of expletives towards someone who brings a thoughtful cogent argument is a dead give away of a weak position. In fact they are the last vestiges of the beaten.

 

[rives]

I know what a chronic pain management agreement is first hand as we had one when my mom passed from cancer. Its to keep people from getting addicted mainly as pain meds are typically addictive.

No, it is not to keep people from getting addicted. If you use opiate pain relievers, you will get addicted. Period. It is an agreement that you will abide by their rules - one prescribing physician, one pharmacy, agree not to sell or share your drugs, not take illegal drugs (marijuana was specifically mentioned on mine), etc. Hopefully with a rec it makes it legal and not a "street drug" (my doctor's opinion). However, the agency that forces the doctors to use these agreements is..........you guessed it, the DEA. Now guess who doesn't recognize the legality of mmj?

 

[someotherguy]

Name calling and use of expletives towards someone who brings a thoughtful cogent argument is a dead give away of a weak position. In fact they are the last vestiges of the beaten.

lol, you think your the first smug little asshole who
has come into this thread with that same 'thoughtful
cogent' bullshit?

i asked you, are you a cop or a criminal?

...or just a liar?

SOG

 

[Smoke Buddy]

lol, you think your the first smug little asshole who
has come into this thread with that same 'thoughtful
cogent' bullshit?

i asked you, are you a cop or a criminal?

...or just a liar?

SOG

You are just not capable of a debate. Sort of ruins the idea of having a conversation where people can freely discuss the issues doesn't it?
Anyhow you will be my very fiorst ignore in many years of internet sites, not cause Im afraid of what you will say or what I will say back, but because I dont have room in my life for the kind of communications you offer.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

JJScorpio- 215 users are NOT the tax burden you speak of. in fact 215 brings in a shitload of taxes from the dispensarys...oaklands already making good money off harborside and all the other spots.

the tax burden you speak off is all the damn welfare babies and social services.

and it pisses me off that some of you guys "wish LEO would come knocking" on 215 supporters doors because they dont wanna vote on 19.

some of you are getting way too emotional and angry over this shit. im done with this thread, this shit is a breeding ground for resentful attitudes towards eachother.

 

[dagnabit]

Nobody ever told me I had to register and the law does NOT require it under 215. Thats the simple truth.

again 215 offers you an affirmative defense AFTER arrest..

just because you dont understand does not make it untrue.

you need to educate yourself regarding the law.

PEACE OFFICER GUIDE. COMPASSIONATE USE ACT of 1996:

California state and local law enforcement authorities should continue to enforce all laws against marijuana in the same manner as prior to the passage of Proposition 215 (Compassionate Use Act of 1996), subject to the following guidelines:

I. It is not incumbent on a police officer to inquire whether the individual cultivating, possessing, or using marijuana is doing so for medicinal purposes. It is the responsibility of an individual to claim that he/she has an affirmative defense under Proposition 215 as either a "patient" or "caregiver." If an officer does choose to inquire, he/she should use the questions set out under II(B) or II(D). Some prosecutors may favor the approach that an officer always make these inquiries in situations where the circumstances suggest the defense might be used. The officer should check to determine the local prosecutor's policy.

Should the suspect make the claim that he/she has an affirmative defense to criminal sanctions as a patient or caregiver, the officer should detain the person for the purpose of making those inquires necessary to determine whether there is a legitimate affirmative defense. If the individual refuses to provide information, the officer should note that refusal and should proceed with the arrest (or, if the quantity is less than 28.5 grams, citation and confiscation). If the individual agrees to provide information, some suggested questions to be asked are discussed in subparts B and D. In cases where an individual has been taken into custody and the officer wishes to interrogate, Miranda warnings should be given to ensure that any statements produced by interrogation can be used in the prosecution's case-in-chief. DLE 126 (Rev 10/93)

and sooo much more..

this is the guide the AG gives to police on how to handle 215 cases.

http://www.kubby.com/Complaint.Gran... -7- BULLETIN 97-BNE-01 'PEACE OFFICERS GUIDE'

its an interesting read for all those who say "just go get a med rec."{

a recommendation WILL NOT PROTECT YOU FROM ARREST it will protect you from conviction

 

[dagnabit]

some of you are getting way too emotional and angry over this shit. im done with this thread, this shit is a breeding ground for resentful attitudes towards eachother.

your damn skippy..

you are going to vote to imprison me!
how am i not to be resentful?

 

[someotherguy]

You are just not capable of a debate. Sort of ruins the idea of having a conversation where people can freely discuss the issues doesn't it?
Anyhow you will be my very fiorst ignore in many years of internet sites, not cause Im afraid of what you will say or what I will say back, but because I dont have room in my life for the kind of communications you offer.

why should we debate things that have already
been debated ad nauseum?

and you can ignore me all you want, i know there
are others here who will step up and call you for
what you are, and who will refute all your 'cogent'
bullshit.

your arguments prove you were too lazy to bother
reading this thread in it's entirety or you wouldn't
be making the same tired bullshit arguments as
have been put forth by others of your ilk, and proven
to be the alarmist bullshit that they are!

SOG

btw, you never did say, are you LEO or a criminal?

...or just a common liar?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Good argument. If your against tax, let people continue to be incarcerated.

Tell me if your anti tax, why do you support that fascist 215 system? You realize mmj is taxed, right? So how is 215 good if it is taxed and 19 is bad because it is taxed?

Just because your using big words and forming complete sentances for a change, does not mean that your argument is valid or correct...

 

[Smoke Buddy]

No, it is not to keep people from getting addicted. If you use opiate pain relievers, you will get addicted. Period. It is an agreement that you will abide by their rules - one prescribing physician, one pharmacy, agree not to sell or share your drugs, not take illegal drugs (marijuana was specifically mentioned on mine), etc. Hopefully with a rec it makes it legal and not a "street drug" (my doctor's opinion). However, the agency that forces the doctors to use these agreements is..........you guessed it, the DEA. Now guess who doesn't recognize the legality of mmj?

Actually, One of the main goals of a CPMA is for addiction prevention and they accomplish that with an agreement as you mentioned. I could have pasted a complete description but it should be clear to you I know what it is as I was bedside for 6 horrible months of misery. I know about it. You are splitting hairs for no reason on an issue that isnt even an issue. I dont recall what my moms said as far as cannabis but that was over 10 years ago and one thing is, she smoked cannabis that I grew and was showered with buds from all kinds of people around the bay area where she lived, AND, her doctor knew she was smoking so she could get an appetite while on chemo and he was fine with it even though she had a CPMA with the hostpital, again, Kaiser.



Peace

 

[dagnabit]

You are just not capable of a debate. Sort of ruins the idea of having a conversation where people can freely discuss the issues doesn't it?
Anyhow you will be my very fiorst ignore in many years of internet sites, not cause Im afraid of what you will say or what I will say back, but because I dont have room in my life for the kind of communications you offer.

how can you claim to be capable of debate when you have not even read the thread and dont even understand the difference between legal and affirmative defense?

i mean hell you still believe that 215 protects you from arrest!

and you think the prohibition is somehow less regulation than 19?

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT OVER?!?!?!?!

 

[someotherguy]

and it pisses me off that some of you guys "wish LEO would come knocking" on 215 supporters doors because they dont wanna vote on 19.

some of you are getting way too emotional and angry over this shit. im done with this thread, this shit is a breeding ground for resentful attitudes towards eachother.

hey asshole, give me some more negative rep, lol,
like i give two shits what you think, lol.

SOG

 

[dagnabit]

i have a semihypothetical...

you see that doggie that is my avatar?

his name is dagnabit. he is an old man now and in some cities him being alive is illegal.
if i lived in one of those cities and the vote came up that i could have one pitbull per residence without having to register him with the city,muzzle him at all times and pay an extra $500.00 fee for having him(this is what you have to do to have him in some cities) but it only allows one.

should i vote no because there is a framework in place by the government already for me to have him?
remember this new proposal only allows me one but thats all i have is one.


what do i do?

 

[ReelBusy1]

Good argument. If your against tax, let people continue to be incarcerated.

Tell me if your anti tax, why do you support that fascist 215 system? You realize mmj is taxed, right? So how is 215 good if it is taxed and 19 is bad because it is taxed.

Just because your using big words and forming complete sentances for a change, does not mean that your argument is valid or correct...

Yeah
the "Vote No because I'm against government" plank is full of contradictions and BS.

1. You hate government for taxing you for something that you would rather have them arrest and convict you for?

2. Because you hate government you would rather they have total control of your life (in prison) than partial access to your wallet?

3. Because you hate government you would rather they have absolute power instead of limited power?

The argument is moronic.
If any No Voters could please provide valid answers to my 3 specific questions above I would like to hear the answers why you think NO is better for an "anti-government position.

 

[rives]

Actually, One of the main goals of a CPMA is for addiction prevention and they accomplish that with an agreement as you mentioned.

Peace

This is about the stupidest thing that you have written, and that is saying a lot. How on earth do you prevent addiction by signing an agreement? If you take opiates for more than a very short time, you will become physically dependent on them. In my view physical dependence=addiction.

 

[dagnabit]

In my view physical dependence=addiction.

you have to remember to these people

legal cultivation, legal possession, legal use, legal giving, and a path to legal selling=not legalized

 

[Smoke Buddy]

how can you claim to be capable of debate when you have not even read the thread and dont even understand the difference between legal and affirmative defense?

i mean hell you still believe that 215 protects you from arrest!

and you think the prohibition is somehow less regulation than 19?

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT OVER?!?!?!?!

Ummmm, Ive been reading this daily. How can you make such a obviously flawed statement... you know what I had for breakfast?
Shows the level we are operating at here. LOL.
You can say I dont understand all day long and it will only make you look silly since you have no way of knowing my level of understanding but I would think you could at least pick up on the fact that Im quite capable of understanding anything you guiys can dish out, which at this point looks like a bunch of emotional blather to me. LOL