ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[mrdizzle]

interesting quote from HL from another site

Do you know where your cannabis came from? Do you know how it was grown? Do you know what sort of toxic pollutants you may be ingesting when you consume it? Do you know the impact on the environment from the production of your cannabis whether medical or recreational?
I want to talk about what is happening in Oakland and around the state. There has been a campaign put on by the indoor growers trying to brainwash the public that indoor grown cannabis is healthier and safer to consume than outdoor grown. Many dispensaries have perpetuated this propaganda because they produce indoor cannabis. They don't have the skills or knowledge to produce high quality outdoor cannabis without the use of chemicals and pesticides. They claim that because indoor is grown in a cleaner environment that it is better for the end user. I will admit that a very small percentage of hyper-allergenic medical cannabis users could be harmed by the small amount of dust on outdoor cannabis. But the rest of their argument doesn't hold water. They also claim that indoor can't be grown organically and without the use of pesticides. When they do lab testing they don't test for pesticides because they don't want you to know that the medicine you are trying to heal yourself with is actually harming you and the planet.
Oakland is about to start work on 4 100,000+sqft indoors. The runoff will be going straight into the bay. Do you have any idea what the environmental impact of operations like that will be? Where does that electricity come from? Magic? No. Nuclear power and mountain top removal.
Richard Lee in a recent interview when asked what the outdoor growers will do to compete with him said "I guess they can make hash". Shame on you Richard and shame on Oakland.
Oakland has made a direct challenge to Humboldt County and to the rest of us outdoor farmers around the North State. A line in the sand has been drawn and it is war. I say game on.
We gave them our strains, we taught them how to grow, and now the monster has turned on us.
Oakland wants to be the Cannabis capital of California? Have you been to Oakland? If you don't get shot you will get stabbed. It is a hell hole. The only thing they are good at is rioting and murder.
Consumers need to know that when you buy your cannabis from a factory in Oakland you are buying a Blood Diamond.
As a producer I feel a great deal of responsibility to the end user in creating a healthy product not just for their bodies and minds, but for the environment that it came from. A cannabis plant grown outdoors is good for the planet. When you choose outdoor grown cannabis you are making a statement that you are an educated consumer and you care about your health and the planet you live on. You care about a future for your children.
As we get closer to legalization the mass production of Cannabis is inevitable. By promoting small scale farming we can insure that the production doesn't have a negative impact on the planet the way so much of our industrialized large scale farming has.
I got to visit another friends gardens yesterday and was reminded of why what we outdoor growers do is so important. I saw beautiful gardens. Organic fruits, grapes and vegetables grown side by side with cannabis. A piece of land that had been restored to its natural beauty through the production of Organic medical cannabis."



I mrdizzle not feel that this is not a legalization bill, its a richard lee mo money mo problems bill, for most people in this thread, richard lee is just a name, but for those of us that live in california and who this bill will effect, he is my anti-christ, hes going to build his little factories, then lobby counties to outlaw indoor personal gardens, he doesnt give a fuck about people getting busted or he would have wrote a better bill that actually makes cannibus legal and not just TAXED,CONTROLLED, AND REGULATED

 

[MaddsVonF]

1,900 Replies

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Huh, less than 10% of the views joined in.

That there?^. That's what we call an Indicator,,,,

But then break it down even further and count the multi posts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

as #'s go, well, I'll just let them go,,,,,,,

bb57

 

[localhero]

HL reversed? or did you add in the last part? i just checked both places where he put that post and that last part isnt in there. so either clear up your quote or let HL speak for himself if he wants to take a stand against r lees prop.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Well someone has to grow for the demand there is now and will be if this Prop 19 passes into the future....and if it does pass there will probably be a much bigger demand for cannabis since it will be readily available at many outlets without people having to first buy a med-card to purchase it.....and of course those that wish to grow for their own use will be free to do so.....

Right now the big cartels supply most of the commercially available erb' that is available through-out the USA.......and we all know the trouble and strife that is and has been causing......although the majority of the Central/South American 'erb on the market is grown outdoors and does not pose potential environmental problems such as mass indoor cultivation.....I am sure that if this Prop 19 passes it won't be so long before you see big LEGAL outdoor crops grown throughout California to be able to supply the demand not only for Californians but all the tourists that will flock from all over the USA and the rest of the world to be able to buy and smoke Californian grown 'erb.....freely and without fear of prosecution in California.....

Back in the early 80's I first went to Holland (Amsterdam).......and had my first taste of using cannabis without fearing getting busted, and the relief and sense of enjoyment whilst toking it freely without the associated paranoia of worrying about if I would get fined/jailed was really a beautiful thing to behold........and I wish that all cannabis lovers can one day experience this within their own borders....

This Prop 19 may not be everything you have ever dreamed about how legalization/decriminalization should be.......but as I have already stated......it most certainly is a credible start........

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

interesting quote from HL from another site

Do you know where your cannabis came from? Do you know how it was grown? Do you know what sort of toxic pollutants you may be ingesting when you consume it? Do you know the impact on the environment from the production of your cannabis whether medical or recreational?
When they do lab testing they don't test for pesticides because they don't want you to know that the medicine you are trying to heal yourself with is actually harming you and the planet.
A line in the sand has been drawn and it is war. I say game on.
We gave them our strains, we taught them how to grow, and now the monster has turned on us.
Oakland wants to be the Cannabis capital of California? Have you been to Oakland? If you don't get shot you will get stabbed. It is a hell hole. The only thing they are good at is rioting and murder.
Consumers need to know that when you buy your cannabis from a factory in Oakland you are buying a Blood Diamond.
By promoting small scale farming we can insure that the production doesn't have a negative impact on the planet the way so much of our industrialized large scale farming has.
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First of all more Cannabis is grown outdoors in California then indoors under lights.
Second it is just as likely to have been sprayed with poisons like pesticides. Some dispensaries do test for pesticides.
Third so Humboldt developed all the strains grown in Humboldt? Or all the strains grown in Oakland? Not likely....
And lastly, do you really think it will be cheaper to produce outdoor Cannabis in Humboldt then further south in the central valley?
Try and grow Original Haze out doors in Humboldt, why not? Because it is not the right environment, to cold and wet at harvest time.
Your real worry is not Oakland, it should be the central valley outdoors, they will produce Cannabis that is much much cheaper, by the ton. Sorry.....

-SamS

 

[localhero]

also, guys stop, madvonn put up that original post as an attempt to lure no voters into agreeing with that websites stance. it was obvious with his follow up post stating it was tax deductible. the rest was just what appears to be a social experiment. and everyone bit.

 

[localhero]

sam, thats if the central valley would even be liberal enough to allow outdoor massive grow ops. sure maybe in the future at some point. but it looks like if its a liberal county under med, then it will be one under 19. only difference is that under 19 the counties can opt to not allow sales at all.

 

[rives]

1,900 Replies

22,443 Views

Huh, less than 10% of the views joined in.

That there?^. That's what we call an Indicator,,,,

bb57

Yep, I think it is an indicator. In looking at the new posts page and the view/reply stat's, this thread has the highest ratio on the page. I do see HL's point, he has turned it into a vendetta against large commercial grows, and for him that is very valid. For me, and everybody that I know, it gives us freedoms that we have only dreamed of for decades.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

MaddsVonF,
You will have to admit that a hell of a lot of prohibitionists and LEO have joined the collation to stop Prop 19? Are they really your buddies? "Public Safety First"
Were they your buddies before your need to defeat prop 19??

http://www.noonproposition19.com/

http://www.noonproposition19.com/endorsements/display

http://www.calmca.org/category/public-safety/

-SamS

 

[rives]

HL reversed? or did you add in the last part? i just checked both places where he put that post and that last part isnt in there. so either clear up your quote or let HL speak for himself if he wants to take a stand against r lees prop.

Nice catch, LH. There for a minute I thought that HL had lapsed into a Tourettes episode in the last run-on sentence.

 

[MaddsVonF]

SamS,

We do know, and respect some LEO's, ftp does not mean f*ck the police, to us.
I've stood toe to toe with more than a few in heated discourses about The Plant.

I've seen some sensible post's, and some not. Too many ticks on this hound to be sleeping in my bed, yet.

I'd like to see this discussed and debated a bit more, shake it and get the chaff out.

Just feels like a pyramid deal, where the first in are the first out and a whole lotta others are holding a bag a burning dogshit in their hands.

bb57

I like to fish.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

For you die-hard Jack Herer supporters....

For you die-hard Jack Herer supporters....

To go by the credo, “What would Jack do?” you must understand that Jack evolved and over time changed his positions on many things. He was against something until he was for it, but somehow he got credit for the very thing he had previously opposed. Here are just a few examples:

Jack told his first wife that if she ever brought marijuana into his house he would leave her and get a divorce. Now he’s characterized as the patron saint of marijuana activists.

Jack didn’t want to revise and publish the Emperor Wears No Clothes in 1990, he wanted to do a book about sex, language and religion. Now, the Emperor is called “the Bible of the hemp movement.”

Jack may*have been a tax resistor, but this is the Cannabis movement not the anti-tax movement, and when we (I was co-author) wrote the original California Hemp Initiative in 1990, it provided for an*excise tax. Jack insisted in 1990 that pot should be legal for people aged 18, but by 1994 we set it at 21.

Jack vehemently argued against forming the*Hemp Industries Association. He likened it to the DEA and called us traitors for passing its bylaws. But he loved getting free hemp products from HIA member businesses and when we sued DEA and saved hemp foods, Jack was quite happy.

Initially Jack deeply hated*Prop 215. He literally stumped up and down the state cursing out hemp activists who backed it. He screamed at us, called us traitors for working on medical use, and claimed that Dennnis Peron was secretly against legalization. When 215 was filed, Jack filed the*California*Hemp Initiative (CHI) on the 1996 ballot to block it. and changed the name to “California Hemp _and Health_ Initiative” so people signing it would think they had signed Prop 215, to mess with the signature count. When I called him on it, he said he was trying to keep Prop 215 off the ballot because, among other things, “people will stop working for legalization and we’ll be stuck with medical forever. No hemp, no legalization; that will be the end.” Later he circulated the CCU petitions for pay, then before the election came to support it completely. Now some people actually credit Jack for ‘passing Prop 215.’
Jack vociferously opposed Senate Bill 420, but he loved the dispensaries it allowed to open.

If the movement had done what Jack first said to do, we would not have made the major political gains of the last 20 years, because he espoused ‘all or nothing.’ Jack knew how to come around, but first he had to cuss everyone out. So of course he railed against TaxCannabis 2010. That was what Jack did.

The pattern is clear, though. Jack would never support the HIA, then he did. He would never support Prop 215, then he did. He opposed SB420, then he loved its results. He said he would never support Prop 19, but were it not for his heart attack, by now Jack would have come around to back it.

Jack would never, ever walk into a*voting booth*and vote to keep prohibition as it is.

He would see the writing on the wall once the Secretary of State said Prop 19 qualified for the ballot. He would have complained, he would demand that we pass CHI in 2012, but Jack would hold his nose and vote yes. The problem is thatJack Herer*died before he came to support Prop 19, otherwise he would tell you so himself. Do we let his death mean the death of*legal marijuana? I say no.

So let’s do what Jack really would have ended up doing, and give TaxCannabis unwavering support. We can later improve on Prop 19 — but not unless we pass it first.* Support and vote “Yes on Prop 19.”

–*Chris Conrad, editor and designer of the 1990 Emperor Wears No Clothes, friend of Jack Herer

 

[rives]

Big - Glad you found that quote, I had lost track of where to find it. I read yesterday that Dennis Peron had reversed himself on supporting 19, so I think the props are slowly being knocked out from under the people who are more impressed by other's opinions than reasoning it out for themselves.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

SamS,

We do know, and respect some LEO's, ftp does not mean f*ck the police, to us.
I've stood toe to toe with more than a few in heated discourses about The Plant.

I've seen some sensible post's, and some not. Too many ticks on this hound to be sleeping in my bed, yet.

I'd like to see this discussed and debated a bit more, shake it and get the chaff out.

Just feels like a pyramid deal, where the first in are the first out and a whole lotta others are holding a bag a burning dogshit in their hands.

bb57

I like to fish.

There is honestly nothing left to debate. The anti's keep bringing the same tired old argument again and again, which is why everyone is getting frustrated. You don't bother to read the 126 pages, but I've been on this since post #1 and i've yet to see a new side to this. After about page 60 it has just been new anti's posting shit that were all ready sick of hearing because they haven't bothered to read the thread.

You want to be taken seriously? Read the thread in it's entirity and if you have anything to bring to the table that has yet to be debated, we would welcome it....

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

SamS,

We do know, and respect some LEO's, ftp does not mean f*ck the police, to us.
I've stood toe to toe with more than a few in heated discourses about The Plant.

I've seen some sensible post's, and some not. Too many ticks on this hound to be sleeping in my bed, yet.

I'd like to see this discussed and debated a bit more, shake it and get the chaff out.

Just feels like a pyramid deal, where the first in are the first out and a whole lotta others are holding a bag a burning dogshit in their hands.

bb57

I like to fish.

I have zero respect for any LEO's or Prohibitionists, they are the source of the worse problems, not the substances they try to ban.
You seemed to have felt different with your earlier post:

and all hell breaks loose. Units to the left of me. Units to the right of me. 3 units behind me. All busting the lights and hitting the sirens.
Frick! I'm in the rig and the back is full of new gear. Crud. I turn into a parking lot and these guys start bailing with pistolas and shotties in hand. I speed dial the attorney with one hand, drop the phone and grab the wheel and start doing an inventory. Any hidden stash in the truck? Damn. Stinky 1/4 p of Pandora's Stash I was supposed to drop off before the Hydro run. One hitter with an 1/8th. And yes, my papers were with me.
Thinking I'm about to be busted for the first time in over 40 years of doing this, I say to myself, times up Madds.
Look out the side window and all the LEO's were running towards me and then past me! To the front door of the KMART I pulled into.
My frickin heart is still trying to squeeze out my arse.
I do hope the two officers that were shot come out of this ok, but i think they may have pooched the deal with this perp.
Now I'm going to fire up this here Incredibowl and smoke so much Pandora I'm gonna couch lock for the rest of the night, and into the wee hours.
Karma baby, karma.
Madd
ftp
btw,
that prick of an attorney's answering machine picked up my call.
He's probably in Vegas already.

Get what chaff out? The bill is on the ballot, you can vote YES or NO, it is your choice, you should have discussed the bill before it was on the ballot if you really cared about the issues.
All you are trying to do now is to sabotage Prop 19 with all your energy, be honest.
Do you really think joining hands with the police voting No on Prop 19 and singing Kumbaya will really help anyone in the long run? These same police will be happy to arrest you for Cannabis if they could figure a way to get you, wise up...
There is a War On Cannabis in America and you are the enemy to the police, you are scum in their eyes, don't fool yourself....
Oh, and vote YES on Prop 19 to begin the change...

-SamS

 

[mule420]

I have zero respect for any LEO's or Prohibitionists, they are the source of the worse problems, not the substances they try to ban.
You seemed to have felt different with your earlier post:


Get what chaff out? The bill is on the ballot, you can vote YES or NO, it is your choice, you should have discussed the bill before it was on the ballot if you really cared about the issues.
All you are trying to do now is to sabotage Prop 19 with all your energy, be honest.
Do you really think joining hands with the police voting No on Prop 19 and singing Kumbaya will really help anyone in the long run? These same police will be happy to arrest you for Cannabis if they could figure a way to get you, wise up...
There is a War On Cannabis in America and you are the enemy to the police, you are scum in their eyes, don't fool yourself....
Oh, and vote YES on Prop 19 to begin the change...

-SamS

I was also confused... That's because it's two people Sam. Notice the "us". I would probably say it's the younger of the two flicking shit in this thread...

 

[mule420]

SamS,

We do know, and respect some LEO's, ftp does not mean f*ck the police, to us.
I've stood toe to toe with more than a few in heated discourses about The Plant.

I've seen some sensible post's, and some not. Too many ticks on this hound to be sleeping in my bed, yet.

I'd like to see this discussed and debated a bit more, shake it and get the chaff out.

Just feels like a pyramid deal, where the first in are the first out and a whole lotta others are holding a bag a burning dogshit in their hands.

bb57

I like to fish.

So bb57? Who is prop 215? You or madd?
It seems to me he is... And kicks you down maybe? Cuz you two don't act like no weed ballers I know... You two hiding behind 215 and casting stones? You two can smoke and grow but no one one else can, till you two work out the chaff? You like to fish? The DEA likes boats


I don't see you or your bro losing nothing over this deal, from the outside I see one maybe becoming more "legal"... So enlighten us as to your plight... Now that you have given to the PIGS will they help you in YOUR grow room?

BTW I'm legal in my state. One of my very old friends is a COP, PRO POT! Helps me in my grow rooms every week! Now think about that... How does it feel mule, to have a full uniformed cop come in and HELP, not tear up the fucking place and drag your ass back to prison??? I giggle and giggle... Never in a fucking million years did I think that would ever happen in MY lifetime...

I wish I could share that feeling with each and everyone of you that are "rolling dirty"...

I will tell you this my friends, from what Ive heard there are many PRO POT cops, not as many as there are PRO PIGs yet... I'm not saying love em just keep a open mind, because a few here in CO will give you the same respect... And say that they will vote yes when it's our turn as a state. And smoke pot if they let them...

 

[Guest 88950]

... And then we have you making a spectacular gesture in the wrong direction, climbing snugly into bed with all the wrong people. Yep, it's a little irritating. I thought that voters with that level of competence all lived in Florida.

come on man. im in Fla and its an insult to me and other growers in my state to compare us with MV.

there are those here with his mentality and that has lead us to operate under harsh penalties.

poss over 20 gms -- Felony
cultivation under 25 plants Felony and Over 25 Min Mandatory 15 yrs.

not all of us share his company and b/c of prop215 we can argue a Medical Necessity Defense in court and prop19 would give us more ammunition to overcome the Anti Cannabis propaganda.

 

[igrowone]

I mrdizzle not feel that this is not a legalization bill, its a richard lee mo money mo problems bill, for most people in this thread, richard lee is just a name, but for those of us that live in california and who this bill will effect, he is my anti-christ, hes going to build his little factories, then lobby counties to outlaw indoor personal gardens, he doesnt give a fuck about people getting busted or he would have wrote a better bill that actually makes cannibus legal and not just TAXED,CONTROLLED, AND REGULATED

and here is the essence of the problem, 'not just TAXED,CONTROLLED, AND REGULATED'
this argument is a smokescreen for those that understand this kind of legalization will never happen, and pretend that they are the 'true MJ legalization movement'
they don't want legal MJ, they want the current status quo forever

 

[dagnabit]

Is there one page here among one hundred and twenty six that contains no name calling, slams, bully tactics, scare tactics?

Kind of an indicator,,,,,,,,,,

you wouldn't know would you?
cant be bothered to read all 48 pages.

it started out civil enough.. but when your talking with someone who wants you in jail...it gets kinda heated.

imagine a black person debating the civil rights act and another black person telling them "just keep sitting at the back of the bus this act just is not good enough"