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OrganicOzarks
He actually puts coke in his bong. He said that it was "old School" and that i wouldn't know anything about that. He likes polyester suits too. He makes me laugh.
What can we do about Climate Change?
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To bad you moved away from here because we could have some really funny conversations. If you ever get the notion to come back to the land of old hippies and home grown please hit me up. We could have some interesting times. Peace!
P.S. We could use your genetics around here. Everyone is still doing shit that they have had from the 60's. I am not ragging. I am just so suprised at what passes for good herb around here. It is amazing.
P.S. We could use your genetics around here. Everyone is still doing shit that they have had from the 60's. I am not ragging. I am just so suprised at what passes for good herb around here. It is amazing.
no warming trend here in so cal we had the 5th coldest july ever recorded.
You must not be as scientifically apt as you present yourself, and for sure lacking the math skills needed to grasp the concept that CS,inc. is pushing. Sure it may work, and sure they may well be on the verge of a meaningful development. But at present, they are developing the thing. You do understand that, yes? Perhaps you should spend some time investigating their proprietary catalyst and other apparatus, because they are the crucial links to any part of their developing technology becoming a reality.
Their idea, although novel, is not now, nor will it be in the near future, a viable alternative to hydrocarbon fuels. Just as ethanol is also a valid technology, it is not feasible to even consider ethanol being a substitute for hydrocarbon fuels. Although like I have said in the past, folks need to incorporate math into the pipe dreams if they want to actually assess their worth.
Their idea, although novel, is not now, nor will it be in the near future, a viable alternative to hydrocarbon fuels. Just as ethanol is also a valid technology, it is not feasible to even consider ethanol being a substitute for hydrocarbon fuels. Although like I have said in the past, folks need to incorporate math into the pipe dreams if they want to actually assess their worth.
they're making hydrocarbon fuels which integrate perfectly into existing infrastructure... They're not making an alternative or a substitute, they're making gasoline and jet fuel... you really don't get what they do, eh?
seems like you don't understand alot of things...
my math is fine, yours is fuzzy and its integers fictional.
lol when i think about you hoosier this comes to mind : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls
Very funny. Fuck off, THCeatme.
Head, I understand the whole thing far better than you think I do, and most likely far better than you do or ever will.
Is your point that they have a valid solution to any of the problems you claim exist? Because they don't.
Head, I understand the whole thing far better than you think I do, and most likely far better than you do or ever will.
Is your point that they have a valid solution to any of the problems you claim exist? Because they don't.
My point is that they have a portion of the free market solution to the problem that has been demonstrated to exist, and this is the type of thinking that needs to be encouraged, to make government intervention unnecessary. There is no single solution, solution will be an integration of many approaches.
and... lol at you thinking you understand anything better than me... you can't touch this, home boy.
You thought they were making an alternative to hydrocarbon fuel... lol... and then pretend to understand...
lol...
you've never once refuted a single assertion of mine.
you imagine your repudiation to be meaningful, but it isn't.
All I need do to guarantee your opposition to a thing is to support it myself.
and... lol at you thinking you understand anything better than me... you can't touch this, home boy.
You thought they were making an alternative to hydrocarbon fuel... lol... and then pretend to understand...
lol...
you've never once refuted a single assertion of mine.
you imagine your repudiation to be meaningful, but it isn't.
All I need do to guarantee your opposition to a thing is to support it myself.
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Policy experts say that to "decarbonize" the future power system, we will need a new generation of power plants that can separate CO2 from their emissions. They must be connected to a large network of pipelines and injection facilities that can transport the odorless, transparent gas and pump it deep underground. Finally, it will require a regime of new state and federal laws and regulations, probably backed up by insurance policies, to protect against long-term damage from leakage.
There are a growing number of companies and investors that are betting this conventional wisdom is wrong. They are supporting technologies that will separate and then trap carbon emissions in a series of "beneficial products" that can be shipped to markets and sold at a profit. That, they assert, will avoid the need for much of the carbon capture and storage (CCS) infrastructure now on energy planners' drawing boards.
The most outspoken salesman for this approach is Brent Constantz, who has spent much of his career studying, patenting and marketing new ways to make cement. He believes that what he calls "green cement," which starts as a milky precipitate made from injecting carbon dioxide from power plant emissions into seawater, can be made and sold at a profit.
In the Constantz scenario, his "green" cement and "green" aggregate that is used to make concrete would begin to take market share from conventional cement makers, which are the nation's third-largest source of CO2 emissions behind the utility and transportation sectors.
That is because normal cement is made by heating limestone to high temperatures in kilns. The limestone gives off CO2 in the process, and so do the kilns, which are usually coal-fired.
Rather than adding emissions to the atmosphere, green cement and cement aggregates are made by subtracting CO2 emissions and then locking them permanently in construction materials. A price on carbon emissions imposed by states or the federal government would help it replace conventional cement, asserts Constantz, a consulting professor at Stanford University's School of Earth Sciences.
What he is really counting on, though, is that the product, by itself, will turn a profit -- a message that would resonate in China and India. Their economies are heavily dependent upon coal-fired electricity and also feature soaring demands for concrete. Neither country will be swayed by U.S. legislative moves to require CCS, Constantz believes. "The only way you're going to clean up the environment in China and India is to make it profitable," he adds. "If it's profitable, the Chinese are going to get there before we are."
Constantz's company, Calera Corp., of Los Gatos, Calif., recently appeared on a list of six winners of $106 million in federal stimulus grants awarded by the Department of Energy to demonstrate the "beneficial use" of CO2. The competition was not open to foreign companies. Steven Chu, secretary of Energy, described it as part of a "broad commitment to unleash the American innovation machine."
There are a growing number of companies and investors that are betting this conventional wisdom is wrong. They are supporting technologies that will separate and then trap carbon emissions in a series of "beneficial products" that can be shipped to markets and sold at a profit. That, they assert, will avoid the need for much of the carbon capture and storage (CCS) infrastructure now on energy planners' drawing boards.
The most outspoken salesman for this approach is Brent Constantz, who has spent much of his career studying, patenting and marketing new ways to make cement. He believes that what he calls "green cement," which starts as a milky precipitate made from injecting carbon dioxide from power plant emissions into seawater, can be made and sold at a profit.
In the Constantz scenario, his "green" cement and "green" aggregate that is used to make concrete would begin to take market share from conventional cement makers, which are the nation's third-largest source of CO2 emissions behind the utility and transportation sectors.
That is because normal cement is made by heating limestone to high temperatures in kilns. The limestone gives off CO2 in the process, and so do the kilns, which are usually coal-fired.
Rather than adding emissions to the atmosphere, green cement and cement aggregates are made by subtracting CO2 emissions and then locking them permanently in construction materials. A price on carbon emissions imposed by states or the federal government would help it replace conventional cement, asserts Constantz, a consulting professor at Stanford University's School of Earth Sciences.
What he is really counting on, though, is that the product, by itself, will turn a profit -- a message that would resonate in China and India. Their economies are heavily dependent upon coal-fired electricity and also feature soaring demands for concrete. Neither country will be swayed by U.S. legislative moves to require CCS, Constantz believes. "The only way you're going to clean up the environment in China and India is to make it profitable," he adds. "If it's profitable, the Chinese are going to get there before we are."
Constantz's company, Calera Corp., of Los Gatos, Calif., recently appeared on a list of six winners of $106 million in federal stimulus grants awarded by the Department of Energy to demonstrate the "beneficial use" of CO2. The competition was not open to foreign companies. Steven Chu, secretary of Energy, described it as part of a "broad commitment to unleash the American innovation machine."
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There's a potential solution that would reduce our carbon emissions to zero without destroying our way of life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I
As a bonus it gets rid of another significant problem.
Personally, I think that "climate science" and real science parted company a long time ago, as the whole thing became so highly politicised that there were actually journalists in the UK equating anyone who didn't support all the hyperbole as being on a par with holocaust deniers.
Climate change doesn't worry me, because climate has always been changing and as a species we will either learn to adapt to those changes or go extinct. Tipping points and hockey stick hyperbole are just bollocks designed to make handy headlines and sound-bytes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I
As a bonus it gets rid of another significant problem.
Personally, I think that "climate science" and real science parted company a long time ago, as the whole thing became so highly politicised that there were actually journalists in the UK equating anyone who didn't support all the hyperbole as being on a par with holocaust deniers.
Climate change doesn't worry me, because climate has always been changing and as a species we will either learn to adapt to those changes or go extinct. Tipping points and hockey stick hyperbole are just bollocks designed to make handy headlines and sound-bytes.
What needs to happen is to have the Earth retrofitted with thrusters so that we can manipulate the distance of the planet to the sun. If it gets too warm just hit the thrusters to move us a couple of hundred miles away from the sun, if it gets too cold ditto. Of course at some point in time the earth will entropy into the Sun, and it would be a good idea to be able to keep that from happening so these thrusters will come in handy for that as well. Screw all the short sighted half measures that people suggest. We need to be able to control where this planet is going.
economically, fixing climate change in a cost/benefit analysis is pointless.
it would do much more good in the world to focus on ending things like poverty, hunger, disease and corruption.
all you hippys and people want to just hop on the green wagon, but surprise we've already fucked up our world. Im not saying to keep polluting, but to look at it simply by the $$$$ its not efficient to spend all our resources on keeping the world one degree cooler in 50 years.
what are you going to do, tell developing nations that we can have industrial revolutions but they cant???
it would do much more good in the world to focus on ending things like poverty, hunger, disease and corruption.
all you hippys and people want to just hop on the green wagon, but surprise we've already fucked up our world. Im not saying to keep polluting, but to look at it simply by the $$$$ its not efficient to spend all our resources on keeping the world one degree cooler in 50 years.
what are you going to do, tell developing nations that we can have industrial revolutions but they cant???
NEW YORK — Floods, fires, melting ice and feverish heat: From smoke-choked Moscow to water-logged Pakistan, the planet seems to be having a midsummer breakdown.
The weather-related cataclysms of July and August fit patterns predicted by climate scientists, the Geneva-based World Meteorological Organization says — although those scientists always shy from tying individual disasters directly to global warming.
The experts now see an urgent need for better ways to forecast extreme events like Russia's heat wave and the record deluge devastating Pakistan. They'll discuss such tools in meetings this month and next in Europe and America.
"There is no time to waste," because societies must be equipped to deal with global warming, British government climatologist Peter Stott said.
The U.N.'s network of climate scientists — the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — has long predicted that rising global temperatures would produce more frequent and intense heat waves, and more intense rainfalls. In its latest assessment, in 2007, the Nobel Prize-winning panel said these trends "have already been observed."
Still, climatologists generally refrain from blaming global warming for this drought or that flood, because so many other factors also affect the day's weather.
Stott and NASA's Gavin Schmidt, at the Goddard Institute of Space Studies in New York, said it's better to think in terms of odds: Warming might double the chances for heat waves, for example. "That is exactly what's happening," Schmidt said, "a lot more warm extremes and less cold extremes."
The World Meteorological Organization noted that this summer's events fit the international scientists' projections of "more frequent and more intense extreme weather events due to global warming."
Russia
• This summer: It's been the hottest summer ever recorded in Russia, with Moscow temperatures topping 100 degrees Fahrenheit for the first time. Russia's drought has sparked hundreds of wildfires in forests and dried peat bogs, blanketing Moscow with smog that finally lifted Thursday after six days. The Russian capital's death rate doubled to 700 people a day at one point. The drought reduced Russia's wheat harvest by more than one-third.
Forecasters said Thursday the heat wave could break next week, though cooler weather and rainfall might come too late to save winter crops.
• The 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report: The panel predicted a doubling of disastrous droughts in Russia this century and cited studies foreseeing catastrophic fires in dry years. It also said Russia would suffer large crop losses.
Pakistan
• This summer: The heaviest monsoon rains on record — 12 inches in one 36-hour period — have sent rivers rampaging over huge swaths of countryside, flooding thousands of villages. It has left 14 million Pakistanis homeless or otherwise affected, and killed 1,500.
A shipload of U.S. Marines and helicopters arrived to boost relief efforts Thursday, but Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said his country needs more international help to cope with one of the worst natural disasters in its history.
• The 2007 report: The climate panel said rains have grown heavier for 40 years over northern Pakistan — a warmer atmosphere can hold and discharge more water — and it predicted greater flooding this century in South Asia's monsoon region.
China
• This summer: China is experiencing its worst floods in decades, particularly in the northwest province of Gansu. There, floods and landslides last weekend killed more than 1,100 people with more than 600 others missing, feared swept away or buried beneath mud and debris. More rain was forecast in the coming days — up to 3.5 inches was expected today — and China's National Weather Center said the threat of more landslides was "relatively large."
Flooding in China has killed more than 2,000 people this year.
• The 2007 report: The climate panel said that rains had increased in northwest China by up to 33 percent since 1961, and floods nationwide had increased sevenfold since the '50s. It predicted still more frequent flooding this century.
Arctic
• This summer: Researchers last week spotted a 100-square-mile chunk of ice calved off from the Petermann Glacier in Greenland. It was the most massive ice island to break away in the Arctic in a half-century of observation.
In the Arctic Ocean, satellite data show the ocean area covered by ice last month was the second-lowest ever recorded for July.
• The 2007 report: Scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center and the National Center for Atmospheric Research reported this spring that the Arctic ice cover is retreating more rapidly than estimated by any of the 18 computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in preparing its 2007 assessments.
Changes in the ice sheet "are happening fast, and we are definitely losing more ice mass than we had anticipated," NASA scientist Isabella Velicogna said.
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The weather-related cataclysms of July and August fit patterns predicted by climate scientists, the Geneva-based World Meteorological Organization says — although those scientists always shy from tying individual disasters directly to global warming.
The experts now see an urgent need for better ways to forecast extreme events like Russia's heat wave and the record deluge devastating Pakistan. They'll discuss such tools in meetings this month and next in Europe and America.
"There is no time to waste," because societies must be equipped to deal with global warming, British government climatologist Peter Stott said.
The U.N.'s network of climate scientists — the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — has long predicted that rising global temperatures would produce more frequent and intense heat waves, and more intense rainfalls. In its latest assessment, in 2007, the Nobel Prize-winning panel said these trends "have already been observed."
Still, climatologists generally refrain from blaming global warming for this drought or that flood, because so many other factors also affect the day's weather.
Stott and NASA's Gavin Schmidt, at the Goddard Institute of Space Studies in New York, said it's better to think in terms of odds: Warming might double the chances for heat waves, for example. "That is exactly what's happening," Schmidt said, "a lot more warm extremes and less cold extremes."
The World Meteorological Organization noted that this summer's events fit the international scientists' projections of "more frequent and more intense extreme weather events due to global warming."
Russia
• This summer: It's been the hottest summer ever recorded in Russia, with Moscow temperatures topping 100 degrees Fahrenheit for the first time. Russia's drought has sparked hundreds of wildfires in forests and dried peat bogs, blanketing Moscow with smog that finally lifted Thursday after six days. The Russian capital's death rate doubled to 700 people a day at one point. The drought reduced Russia's wheat harvest by more than one-third.
Forecasters said Thursday the heat wave could break next week, though cooler weather and rainfall might come too late to save winter crops.
• The 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report: The panel predicted a doubling of disastrous droughts in Russia this century and cited studies foreseeing catastrophic fires in dry years. It also said Russia would suffer large crop losses.
Pakistan
• This summer: The heaviest monsoon rains on record — 12 inches in one 36-hour period — have sent rivers rampaging over huge swaths of countryside, flooding thousands of villages. It has left 14 million Pakistanis homeless or otherwise affected, and killed 1,500.
A shipload of U.S. Marines and helicopters arrived to boost relief efforts Thursday, but Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said his country needs more international help to cope with one of the worst natural disasters in its history.
• The 2007 report: The climate panel said rains have grown heavier for 40 years over northern Pakistan — a warmer atmosphere can hold and discharge more water — and it predicted greater flooding this century in South Asia's monsoon region.
China
• This summer: China is experiencing its worst floods in decades, particularly in the northwest province of Gansu. There, floods and landslides last weekend killed more than 1,100 people with more than 600 others missing, feared swept away or buried beneath mud and debris. More rain was forecast in the coming days — up to 3.5 inches was expected today — and China's National Weather Center said the threat of more landslides was "relatively large."
Flooding in China has killed more than 2,000 people this year.
• The 2007 report: The climate panel said that rains had increased in northwest China by up to 33 percent since 1961, and floods nationwide had increased sevenfold since the '50s. It predicted still more frequent flooding this century.
Arctic
• This summer: Researchers last week spotted a 100-square-mile chunk of ice calved off from the Petermann Glacier in Greenland. It was the most massive ice island to break away in the Arctic in a half-century of observation.
In the Arctic Ocean, satellite data show the ocean area covered by ice last month was the second-lowest ever recorded for July.
• The 2007 report: Scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center and the National Center for Atmospheric Research reported this spring that the Arctic ice cover is retreating more rapidly than estimated by any of the 18 computer models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in preparing its 2007 assessments.
Changes in the ice sheet "are happening fast, and we are definitely losing more ice mass than we had anticipated," NASA scientist Isabella Velicogna said.
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I am against people like you and AlGore. It is obvious that both of you have screws loose. He thinks he's smarter than most also.
We see through both of you, which is easy because both are so goddamned hollow.
A college dropout that thinks he's smarter than anyone that disagrees with anything he thinks or states. Hell, just ask him.
See, I have my college degrees, and I have bought and sold many a clown just like you.
You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are, bozo.
What you truly are, is a Hamlin rat. Not even a lead rat. More midpack mouse.
*oh, and people are already getting a big belly full of government intervention, it is is not going over too well with sane people. It is those who have a similar mentality to Head that are trying to ruin us and take us into full on progressive socialism, which is not going to fly much longer. We are fixing to shut you fucks down. Your ilk has damaged us enough already.
No more time or patience for this progressive fiasco.
I am against college dropouts blowing donkeys.
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stink.whistler
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So Hoosie quotes H3ad supporting free market solutions over government intervention, then says:
They do not have a viable solution. I made that point long ago. Now, perhaps someone could show us how an emerging technology, that is still under development, is a viable free market solution? Even if the process' are viable, the scope of things makes them not viable at any time in the foreseeable future.
Just as ethanol will never be able to completely replace the petroleum market...but it takes more than a kneejerk mentality to understand such things.
Just as ethanol will never be able to completely replace the petroleum market...but it takes more than a kneejerk mentality to understand such things.
lmao at letting perfect be the enemy of good... short sighted and foolish is the one who will reject good ideas because no single one of them is a complete perfect solution.
I did not say you're "only" against things I support...
I said (correctly) that I can guarantee your opposition, simply by voicing my support....
do you even comprehend english?
btw... it is not just me and al that are smarter than hoosier... 97% of the population of the world is in that boat with me.
there is not ever going to be "A" viable solution which alone solves the issues...
there are many things which can be done which together add up to viable solution.
you don't have to be a scientists to see that, but you do have to be fairly uninformed, blind, or contrarian to deny it.
there are many things which can be done which together add up to viable solution.
you don't have to be a scientists to see that, but you do have to be fairly uninformed, blind, or contrarian to deny it.
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