feminized plant used for making seed
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cannaboy
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I think the mr gadget trimmer would sell well. Go Go gadget arms!!
I think that fem crosses are ok, docleaf has a painted lady that is a fem outcross it seems fine normal plants..
I would be carefull putting the fem outcrosses in a room of pure female clones for a ses run because you never know if it has male tendenceys,, and that would be a shitter,,
I think that fem crosses are ok, docleaf has a painted lady that is a fem outcross it seems fine normal plants..
I would be carefull putting the fem outcrosses in a room of pure female clones for a ses run because you never know if it has male tendenceys,, and that would be a shitter,,
Darwin aint had his brain melted by smoking from a young age like i have, so i wouldnt call him a stoner,,,i am a friggin stoner!,,,,,,Darwin allmost has a masters,,,im the 1 with no qualifications at all
ps,,i dont think streetboughtweed is good for consuption by teenagers,,just a note
ps,,i dont think streetboughtweed is good for consuption by teenagers,,just a note
yeah but you have to show that wariness with any plants, any plants can chuck male flowers, so it's just best to keep an eye on all your plants (as you should be anyway) and remove any male flowers that show up and you'll be laughing
Darwin aint had his brain melted by smoking from a young age like i have, so i wouldnt call him a stoner,,,i am a friggin stoner!,,,,,,Darwin allmost has a masters,,,im the 1 with no qualifications at all
ps,,i dont think streetboughtweed is good for consuption by teenagers,,just a note
rick's a very kind man
haha i'm sure your minds are all still intact enough! it's best to be a little insane anyway lol no one wants to be 100% normal, well not me at least... so i'm just gonna have to catch up to y'all! any fool can get a degree rick i've as much if not more respect for those who put in the hard work without having been to uni and have as much if not more knowledge in the same areas, as that shows as much if not more passion and determination in the same areas, i've just gathered in a classroom/lecture theatre with others for the past few years doing the hard yards, but plenty of people here work at it less than others like yourself rick. it's just a piece of paper at the end of the day, if you put your mind to what you love you can do anything regardless of qualifications, look at all the big guns in this community and i'd say very few have them but still got to where they did yeah i agree, i don't think anyone under the age of 18 should be smoking, even 18 is too young IMO, i think once you're mind's stopped maturing and growing, early 20s... you should give it a go for sure, as i know too many people who did it from too young an age and lost the plot.
peace and love guys!
my prozac has reacted strangely with some herron (like aspirin i guess) tonight and i'm fucked off my face.... i'm sitting in my chair with the tv off and apparently just got back from a 2hr walk in the streets where i live lol looks like i picked a shit load of flowers and have them in a vase next to me wooooo they smell great! hahahaha good times
@ Darwin...hay,,,do we all agree the Y chromozone is formed by suppreshion of recombination?,,,
weed helped me at an early age, but it had alot of side-effects when i was in that controle group [12-18years old],,,it massivly effected my education,,,[it sufferd, my mind wasnot in a good place, i was ailenated],,,,
nowadays cannabis is becoming more and more beneficial to me [18-30yearsold],,,,,i bet as i get older [50-90yearsold] it will become 100% beneficial
i think we should make some weed thats safe for kids,,,im serious,,
Everyone knows that Ritalin is much better alternative for tykes. Works a treat at turning fine young developing minds into fucking mush.
stagger lee
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How did I know this thread was about to get popular? For being so ignorant why is my opinion attracting(more like getting stalked) so much neg attention. Hoosier loves to turn this topic into sides/teams but its not that simple. This is just alittle off topic but does fit into success w/feminized. You guys are stuck on sex being determined by inherited genes only.No "Y", so xx crossed w/xx = all females. But sex can also be determined by environmental conditions. Which is what causes (stress) intersex probs w/feminized genetics.
The epigamic(non genetic) theory also plays a role in sex determination of MJ grown from seed. Dont like Greg Greens books than checkout Marijuana Botany Robert Connell Clarkes take on it. Page #166 sex determination (feminized genetics) isnt as simple as xx,xy inheritence.
The epigamic(non genetic) theory also plays a role in sex determination of MJ grown from seed. Dont like Greg Greens books than checkout Marijuana Botany Robert Connell Clarkes take on it. Page #166 sex determination (feminized genetics) isnt as simple as xx,xy inheritence.
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those who dont have M Botany..heres a small bit..
The epigamic(nongenetic) approach rejects that sex is determined by genetics,while the genetic approach is incompatable w/any environmental control of sex.It seems that we must incorperate both theories to come to a workable understanding of sexual expression in cannabis.
The most logical accommodation is to consider the initial sexual characteristics of cannabis,to be determined by an xy type of genetic inheritence. Although the initial sexual form is determined, the final production of floral organs is influenced by other genes and by environmental conditions which my override
the expression of the inherited sexual type.
So just because theres no "Y" chromo, environmental influences can override inherited genes, causing intersex,males to appear.
And if theres a way to create truely all female seeds its very difficult(which is why growers have probs w/many breeders feminized stock) so its not exactly the best Idea for "just any1" to think they can do it with 1 or 2yrs experience. Better time would be spent trying to grow/breed w/standard genetics instead of giving them a false hope when people like Soma,Subcool,DP,ect still havent gotten it right yet! BTW we all have the right to voice our own opinion in this forum w/out getting our balls broke. A little respect goes a long way!
The epigamic(nongenetic) approach rejects that sex is determined by genetics,while the genetic approach is incompatable w/any environmental control of sex.It seems that we must incorperate both theories to come to a workable understanding of sexual expression in cannabis.
The most logical accommodation is to consider the initial sexual characteristics of cannabis,to be determined by an xy type of genetic inheritence. Although the initial sexual form is determined, the final production of floral organs is influenced by other genes and by environmental conditions which my override
the expression of the inherited sexual type.
So just because theres no "Y" chromo, environmental influences can override inherited genes, causing intersex,males to appear.
And if theres a way to create truely all female seeds its very difficult(which is why growers have probs w/many breeders feminized stock) so its not exactly the best Idea for "just any1" to think they can do it with 1 or 2yrs experience. Better time would be spent trying to grow/breed w/standard genetics instead of giving them a false hope when people like Soma,Subcool,DP,ect still havent gotten it right yet! BTW we all have the right to voice our own opinion in this forum w/out getting our balls broke. A little respect goes a long way!
Stagger, are you are saying that using colloidal silver to stress a plant into producing pollen will somehow alter the genetic make up of the progeny making it more susceptible to producing hermaphrodites? I don't think that happens but if it does, a genetics scientist should be able to see the changes in the genetic code. If it doesn't change the DNA, then the offspring should not be more likely to produce hermies than the parents before they were stressed. I will allow that if a parent plant has a recessive gene for hermaphrodites, then breeding it back to itself could increase the probability for hermaphrodites in SOME of the offspring. The same thing could happen with a female and a true male though if they both have the same recessive gene. Environmental factors do play a role in the sex of the plant but that is true if they are from femmed seeds or not. I would like to see any evidence that femmed seeds produce a higher incidence of hermies than non femmed seeds. I see breeding a clone to itself as the most likely way to produce seeds with the characteristics of an outstanding phenotype. The only better way to reproduce a phenotype is to just clone it and grow. Personally, I would prefer to have some back ups in case a favorite mother is lost that have a higher likely hood of being like the mother. It is difficult for the best of breeders to find a good male.
First off... don't start lecturing on respect. It would not look good if anyone were to quote all the respect you gave out to people in the other thread concerning this issue, so don't even go there.
Now, since you started using Clarke's words, then it is time you understand what they actually mean.
"The sexual form is determined"...
See this is what you fail to understand about the issue. The sex of a seed is predetermined by what the chromosomes are at the 8th pair in the helix. The sex of the seed was determined during meiosis, at the very second when the recombination of genes took place.
And yes, mj does work through epigenetic responses (which means "outside" the gene, rather than non-genetic) and these epigenetic responses are for sure environmentally driven. But the epigenetic response to an environmental stress does not change the predetermined sexual make-up of the seed. A female that gets heat stressed and starts to show male stamen was not changed into a male. Not at all. All you had was a genetically predetermined female that expressed (showed off) it's self-preservation mechanisms in an attempt to continue on with life with the tools it has.
The plant is NOT a male, so it needs something else to be able to go through this transformation from a pistol only female, to a female that also can grow stamen and produce pollen. It is these epigenetic mechanisms and responses that are responsible for all of this, and not a miraculous transformation into a male. The plant was still a female and you can't change that.
Now as was wisely described by SDGUY, the act of "selfing" a clone could indeed bring about a higher propensity for the intersex trait to show if the clone has the trait to begin with. Well, to what degree the plant has the trait would be a better phrase, because nearly ALL plants will have the trait, it is just that some have it buried more recessive than it is in others. If the clone has a high propensity to hermie, then it's progeny will also have a high ratio of specimens that will also show this trait.
If the plant has the trait buried way recessive, then the ratio of progeny that want to show hermie will be far less.
If you ever do grasp what is actually happening here, you will understand why this all happens no matter if the parents were a regular M/F mating or a forced pollination of two fems.
And also wisely stated by SDGUY, these epigenetic responses do NOT change the genetic code, as they are only mechanisms working outside of the gene.
Yes.
Painted Lady [2009] = Critical (feminized) x W.Widow x Free Tibet (regular).
The seeds grow just fine
Hope this helps
very well said sir!
read that many times staggerlee until you get it, and you will be laughing mate
because it is 100% wrong, and you are perpetuating a lie that helps no one, especially those in this community who have worked hard at delivering quality feminized seeds/products. you're just using these lies, well misunderstandings as i'm sure you aren't doing it purposefully at least i hope not, as an attempt to scare people out of using feminized seeds because of your own ignorance/misunderstandings, whether you mean it or not, and it's not helping anyone mate. sometimes you just need to learn when you've been upstaged/proved wrong. it's not a personal attack on you, but an attack on your incorrect opinion and constant negging of fem seeds.
Much misunderstanding is related to the methods that fem. seed makers use. Old methods where unstable,, whereas the methods being used today are more reliable.
Marbled White [2005] = White Pearl (feminized) x Sensi Star (regular)..
..the results of which where more varied and sexually unstable in some plants.
Hope this helps
Marbled White [2005] = White Pearl (feminized) x Sensi Star (regular)..
..the results of which where more varied and sexually unstable in some plants.
Hope this helps
Stagger, you like to read so here is my take on some reading material we have been discussing...
Greene: pirate
Clarke: pioneer
Mohan Ram: The man who's papers you should read before ever commenting on this again. Although it is not going to be as easy to absorb as say Greg Greene's copied quotes from internet message boards.
Greene: pirate
Clarke: pioneer
Mohan Ram: The man who's papers you should read before ever commenting on this again. Although it is not going to be as easy to absorb as say Greg Greene's copied quotes from internet message boards.
lol i know mate but you have to always keep going when you are right in the face of ignorance, or else you might as well not be here at all. even if his opinion doesn't change, we've debunked it here (and previously) in an attempt to educate other people of like mind to staggerlee who will hopefully see the err in their preconceived disliking of feminized seed production.
if you just put it all in the too hard basket, the terrorists win! haha
Theory is empirical and botanical. Practise is horticultural and touchable.
Just as seed making is the goal of the seed maker, then breeding is the pursuit of the breeder. When one gets confused with the other,, then we enter uncertain ground.
Ultimately there are no set givens with cannabis,, chaos alone displays that there is always a slim chance that anything can happen when working with living plants. Aka the 'butterfly effect'.
Just as seed making is the goal of the seed maker, then breeding is the pursuit of the breeder. When one gets confused with the other,, then we enter uncertain ground.
Ultimately there are no set givens with cannabis,, chaos alone displays that there is always a slim chance that anything can happen when working with living plants. Aka the 'butterfly effect'.
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