was wondering that as well. must not of been in cali.....
a week ago my boy got busted with 25k in his house, 200+ plants. cops came and asked to see his recommendation. saw it and left, didnt even call his federal probation officer....
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was wondering that as well. must not of been in cali.....
a week ago my boy got busted with 25k in his house, 200+ plants. cops came and asked to see his recommendation. saw it and left, didnt even call his federal probation officer....
If they want to LIMIT enforcement why is there specific language for the localities to FUND enforcement of MJ laws with licensing fees raised from new business established in accordance with Prop 19.
The answer is there is NO desire to limit enforcement of laws. The whole concept is ridiculous. Either something is illegal in which case the police have a duty to enforce the law or that thing is not illegal.
So what does LIMIT enforcement mean? Only arrest minorities or poorly dressed people for MJ offenses?
What are the limiting factors? The pig has to think you have more than 25' or more than one ounce? If that is the only thing limited than the CA pigs will have more overtime than ever.
im sorry i didnt realize your ability to comprehend the english was compromised.
the law limits enforcement by saying:
you see all those things are illegal now and there are regulations toenforce that prohibition.
after TC2010 passes the enforcement of that prohibition will be prohibited because the prohibition of those activities will be lifted.
that is how you limit enforcement of existing law.
hope this helps with your inability to comprehend
Like I said not going to be in San Diego, so where is the doob ranch going to be?
I have read the prop. and I read the CA criminal statute posted in this thread that said "Concentrated" mj felony over 28.5 grams of bud felony.
Oh yeah here is the link for the proposal:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/vig-public-display/110210-general-election/prop-19/text-prop-19.pdf
See I went to the CA secretary of state. This PDF is cool because it has all kinds of HAND written changes, you should really look at it.
Page one of the PDF used to contain "and the penal code" but that has been scratched out and now prop 19 modifies or changes only the "Health and Safety Code"
"Only the active amount of cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included." This is really the only reference to concentrated MJ I can find, but Prop 19 doesn't modify the penal code and in the penal code ANY amount of concentrated MJ is a felony.
Again good luck getting that license and if the doob ranch is in a cool beach city I'll come visit.
The part with asterisks is the issue. Local municipalities are what is holding CURRENT CA Patients back, how is this gonna be any different than now. Sick people always get the sympathy from people, we haven't received much sympathy. you think it's gonna be any better when a bunch of stoners try. If cops still raid patient homes for growing under the limit, you think they are not going to go after rec users?
Instead of people form other places putting in their two cents, they need to see what US patients have really dealt with. Yeah Medical use sounds legal under prop 215 and thats what people voted for. Local govt's continue to pursue raids and drug busts based on Marijuana use and growing. So if we give the local authorities the right to change the laws, what are they going to do? Given the fact that the raids continue and DA's all over OUR state continue to prosecute, med patients don't want it to change. We have come to a point where it's quasi legal and unless you are growing rediculous amounts and selling without keeping records or driving stupid with it on you, you are most likely fine. Let's be real here, anyone who has been pulled over knows that the cops are pretty chill about it unless you want to throw a tude. Be cool, they are normal people and in many cases patients aswell. Now if your sitting here talking about the effect it's gonna have on other states, nations and communities, so you want us to be the Guinea Pigs AGAIN, wait til we figure out how to implement a system as patients and find a balance and then you guys will start to legalize right? I did not like that over prop 215, and prop 19 wont get me any more rights that I or any other californian will have as a patient. You evr cut yourself, have a headache, break a bone, or real medically documented issues? than waltz your ass into an office pay $40-100 tell the Dr your perceived symptoms and walk out"legal", have more rights than prop 19 will ever give us and not have to worry about even more bureaucratic bullshit that never ask for our input. the cost of one recreational users arrest and prosecution should make you think about paying about $3-400 in fines and court cost, or spend $100 walk into a DR's office and then walk out and into any of the Hundreds of dispensaries and spen the other $300 on some bomb ass meds, do we really need 4 huge companies looking out for the well being of california patients? This is our CA vote, that effects us first. any other of the 49 states or any of the other 194 nations can make the decision to be guinea pigs or martyrs for the cause. I want it legal on a world level too, but I am not willing to throw any single person into the same situation we have dealt with as of yet. It has taken 14 years of this "medical MJ" to feel comfortable as a patient, now you want to throw in another monkey wrench. We are already playing the bureaucratic game. Being a MMJ patient is a right and not a privilage, know your rights. dont vote them away so easily.
with that said I am still slightly up in the air about this bill, however from what I have read of it, it's no bueno. I dont think anyone wants to be a guinea pig and fight potential arrests just to find out where the LEO stands and what could happen, so why is it that someone from so far away is supporting this bill wanting to make CA patients the guinea pigs again? Like I said I support legalization, this just isn't it and anyone who has not lived in CA and witnessed what has happened the last few years really has no input. You can support it all you want, but support it for the right reasons, the effect it will have on CA Citizens, not the potential effect it could have in 20 years on a national level. anybody could be the next Richard Lee and put up millions of dollars to have a law voted on anywhere in the world. If you really support this measure, than supprt a similar measure in your area where you live, where it affects you, now.
So how many members is it OK to imprison for each 1,000 members that get to play with micro cabs and can quit worrying about a $100 fine from the state of CA?
How does this help ANY ICmager from being fired when Prop 19 SPECIFICALLY retains the right of employers to test and fire your members?
Of those members in CA who will be helped how were they EVER in jeopardy of losing their homes? Is CA seizing houses for 25sq' gardens or less than an ounce?
I didn't know that Prop 19 had a NO STIGMA clause, I guess if it passes all the judgmental fucks that look down their nose at me during the middle of the day will instead have a happy to see you shit eating grin on their face?
Watch what you are indorsing people: http://open.salon.com/blog/brinna_n...anny_senate_bill_forces_patients_to_smoke_pot
These are the people you are giving the power too. As prop19 stands it gives all the power to these people to further their prohibition agenda by giving them the power to tax and regulate as they see fit without the approval of the people. Further more the way the law is writen and if I am not mistaken can further increase sentencing and invoke new arrest critieria.
What people do not understand about the problems we have now is... that the laws on the books are in a grey area... guess what... prop 19 is a whole grey area.
Vote No on the enslavement act that is prop19! the prohibitionist choice for legalization.
Legalization is not Taxation!
Fact on prop19:
Turns a simple infraction into up to 6 months in jail and 1000.00 fine.
Lets Counties and Cities ban marijuana all together.
Will not stop the incarceration rates as people are not getting arrested for simple grows, possesion or sharing your marijuana.
People will still get arrested for intent to sell.
People will still get arrested for commercial grows
People will still get there kids taken away for grows
However prop 19 will serve:
Jails
big ganjapharma
cut out the mom and pops
support the fiscal irresponsible
fund special interest
The biggest and the baddest is:
The feds will give money to local LE for their raids... guess what... with prop19 that will not change and make it alot easier for them to target... it is one thing for them to go after a guy in a wheelchair... it is another to go after some rec smoker. Rec smokers chances are slim with them getting away.
These are the people you are giving the power too. As prop19 stands it gives all the power to these people to further their prohibition agenda by giving them the power to tax and regulate as they see fit without the approval of the people. Further more the way the law is writen and if I am not mistaken can further increase sentencing and invoke new arrest critieria.
What people do not understand about the problems we have now is... that the laws on the books are in a grey area... guess what... prop 19 is a whole grey area.
Vote No on the enslavement act that is prop19! the prohibitionist choice for legalization.
Legalization is not Taxation!
Fact on prop19:
Turns a simple infraction into up to 6 months in jail and 1000.00 fine.
Lets Counties and Cities ban marijuana all together.
Will not stop the incarceration rates as people are not getting arrested for simple grows, possesion or sharing your marijuana.
People will still get arrested for intent to sell.
People will still get arrested for commercial grows
People will still get there kids taken away for grows
However prop 19 will serve:
Jails
big ganjapharma
cut out the mom and pops
support the fiscal irresponsible
fund special interest
The biggest and the baddest is:
The feds will give money to local LE for their raids... guess what... with prop19 that will not change and make it alot easier for them to target... it is one thing for them to go after a guy in a wheelchair... it is another to go after some rec smoker. Rec smokers chances are slim with them getting away.
zeroSo how many members is it OK to imprison for each 1,000 members that get to play with micro cabs and can quit worrying about a $100 fine from the state of CA?
thats why you should be voting FOR freedom not against
It will be interesting to see in Colorado how this plays out. The state gov't has embraced the Taxing idea and HB 1284 goes far as being a big first step to "Commercialize" (i.e. tax like business as usual).
People from all over came here to get rich. No experience with Mary Jane, no love for Mary Jane, they just see dollar signs. More importantly, no love for Colorado.
So what do we see? All the bullshit that happens when something becomes legal. People fighting tooth and nail over "Regulations" (i.e. protectionist measures). When something becomes legal the sharks jump in the pool. There was a lot more comradary in the state when it was illegal. Now it is just everyone out to make a buck, regardless of the lies they will feed you.
In a true Free Market the only regulation is Self-Regulation.
It is legal to carry an Ounce in Denver City and County, no problem. I don't see that being a big benefit of Cali's initiative.
I think the craft grower in Cali is going to get fucked with this bill, for his concerns were not met. The real growers of Colo are pulling for you, but it doesn't look good.
Looks like you are going to do what Colorado did and pass something just to pass it. Instead of taking the time to get it right.
The Bay Area Seanator's proposal was the only reasonable push at Legalization. Everything else has just been window dressing, a wolf in sheeps clothing.
cmon al
youve tried your bullshit in other threads...
please dont spread lies anymore.
there are several in the above quote.
concerning concentrates.
this is important.
tc2010 defines consumables and concentrates as marijuana!!!!!
Forget all about this "oh, the poor Cali guinea pigs" crap. We are earthlings,, in a good position to teach commonfolk something. The medi-scene as a whole is in complete disarray. The reason that redneck counties and states can get away with this anti-medi crap via city ordinances etc is because there is still plenty of room for doubt in the general public's eye. Remove their doubt, melt that fear away, show them that there is nothing inherently evil about this plant - that the public is in no danger from its existence. Only then will these hold-outs and DEA etc look like the complete buffoons that they are.
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Stop with the spoiled mindset/unreasonable demands/narrow sightedness.So how many members is it OK to imprison for each 1,000 members that get to play with micro cabs and can quit worrying about a $100 fine from the state of CA?
How does this help ANY ICmager from being fired when Prop 19 SPECIFICALLY retains the right of employers to test and fire your members?
Of those members in CA who will be helped how were they EVER in jeopardy of losing their homes? Is CA seizing houses for 25sq' gardens or less than an ounce?
I didn't know that Prop 19 had a NO STIGMA clause, I guess if it passes all the judgmental fucks that look down their nose at me during the middle of the day will instead have a happy to see you shit eating grin on their face?
Think bigger picture
MoldyFrogToe
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YES!
I agree with ZERO and that is why I think we should NEVER vote for a law that would imprison any member of this community for growing, smoking, transporting, or selling.
I am all for less arrests but I can not lend my name or vote to ANY scheme that would continue to imprison this community.
There are no VOTES in matters of freedom. Either I am free to do as I choose or I am not, the majority holds no moral sanction over my life.
What if black American slaves in 1856 were given a special election and allowed to vote on a special proposition. Prop 19 titled The 1856 Humane Regulation of Slavery Act. Wouldn't it be much better less beatings, maybe kid slaves stay with their parent slaves until 16 years old. At least two meals a day. 1/2 of Sunday off of work.
Wow that is way better than slaves had it in 1856 they should be rattling their shackles with joy over this prop, why should they DEMAND total freedom, that is UNREALISTIC after all. What kind of person could vote NO on this?
This Bill has nothing to do with 215. It does not affect 215 and is for people who just want to be able to grow and smoke their own Cannabis.
Not everyone, me included, wnats to go to some doc and have my paper work given to god knows who. And then the control that they have over you with their rules and regulations.
So can we keep the medical and 215 talk out of this thread as this Bill has zero to do with prop 215. Tis Bill is for those that want to grow and smoke their own Cannabis and not have it being someone elses business......
Not everyone, me included, wnats to go to some doc and have my paper work given to god knows who. And then the control that they have over you with their rules and regulations.
So can we keep the medical and 215 talk out of this thread as this Bill has zero to do with prop 215. Tis Bill is for those that want to grow and smoke their own Cannabis and not have it being someone elses business......
show me the part of the law you think allows municipalities to "ban" marijuana?
this?
you cant be that stupid?
Yeah what is wrong with you spoiled slaves that won't vote to still be a slave, but a little less so?
Now that's funny, lmao..........
Even the people on this site have bragged that "anyone can get a certificate", lol. I'm guessing probably about 1/10th of 1 percent are in a wheelchair......
This Bill isn't about 215 nor does it effect it.....
What if black American slaves in 1856 were given a special election and allowed to vote on a special proposition. Prop 19 titled The 1856 Humane Regulation of Slavery Act. Wouldn't it be much better less beatings, maybe kid slaves stay with their parent slaves until 16 years old. At least two meals a day. 1/2 of Sunday off of work.
Wow that is way better than slaves had it in 1856 they should be rattling their shackles with joy over this prop, why should they DEMAND total freedom, that is UNREALISTIC after all. What kind of person could vote NO on this?
yup your right it would have made sense for the slaves to say "take the kids and continue to whip my ass i wont accept anything but total freedom"
so they remain slaves lose the kids and are subjected to rape.but they did not compromise.
now had they voted yes the kids would have been there and conditions improve WHILE the kept fighting for complete equality.
of course the slaves chose to go free under jim crow laws?
and segregation
lynchings?
maybe using your logic they should have remained under bondage until the civil rights act?
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