ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[someotherguy]

notice almost ever person who will be voting yes on prop 19 says it is flawed?

why settle for a flawed proposition when in a few years we can come up with a better proposition and vote yes for something way better?

seems like everyone is jumping the gun on this one, its not the last proposition that we will vote on for legalization........

how many more have to go to jail before a bill that
pleases everyone comes along?

some freedom is better than none! ...let's get our foot in the door!

the tip of the spear man!

peace, SOG

 

[2-COOH]

definitely the contradictory state/federal laws will have to be addressed by SC, as someone stated earlier.
If there is yet one more piece of legislation, even if you think its a piece of shit, that is approved by the people, one would think this would INCREASE the chance of the Supreme Court ruling favorably for Cannabis.

 

[poking smot]

In a few years?......How many more cannabis users and growers lives will be ruined for being penalized/fined/jailed .....in a few more years?


.....Why not just vote 'Yes' on Prop 19 now and have it amended to suit the electorate more over the next few years?

Growers and smokers know the risks if they get caught. It's all part of the game. It makes it more exciting. Look guys i feel bad for people not living in CA and not having a 215 card but thats tough. More incentive for those people to pass a prop in there own state. People need to quit relying on CA for everything cannabis related.

 

[Hammerhead]

^^why would it wait ten years? I dont understand that

It takes allot of cash to gat a bill on the ballot. Then you need to get enough people to sign. im just guessing at 10 coube be 5 but any is to long

 

[2Lazy]

25 square feet of growing area-- Unless you smoke a gram a month, you cannot do a proper Flower, veg, Mother and Clone area under those constraints--

If a meter squared is 10 sqft, and in that space a person can harvest 350 grams then a grower could alternate harvests, every 35 days, and harvest 10 grams per day on average.

The last 5 sqft leaves space for two mother plants with an 18"x18" footprint each to pull clones from.

Personally, I'd use a 1000w lamp, reach for 1 gram per watt, and harvest every 120 days or so. 3000 grams is PLENTY of bud for 2 smokers to stay high all day every day for a year. Even 2000 grams would be more than enough for my habits (about 1/4oz per day) and very easy to accomplish in the given guidelines.

I don't think this bill is flawed. I don't think it's perfect... but I can't think of improvements. I understand that a compromise must be made to get non-smokers on board, and in that aspect I think this is the best attempt yet. Shooting this down is going to be 100 steps in the wrong direction.

 

[mSeTxOiNcEaRn]

Growers and smokers know the risks if they get caught. It's all part of the game. It makes it more exciting. Look guys i feel bad for people not living in CA and not having a 215 card but thats tough. More insentive for those people to pass a prop in there own state. Quit relying on CA for everything cannabis related.

... i hope no one is relyng on you specifically, you might just let them die cause it's more "exciting"

 

[binaryfission]

can we take the IMF discussion to another thread? another sticky maybe? JJ, GN? can we do this?

I would love to hear your, GN's, thoughts on Fair Trade standards being established in California and then expanding to the parts of the world with traditionally relaxed marijuana laws. Allowing the locals to sell their marijuana on a global market, and eventually eliminating their need for IMF loans.

Maybe even move the deleted posts to the new thread. I think the conversation is worth having. People need to see the bigger picture.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

25 square feet of growing area-- Unless you smoke a gram a month, you cannot do a proper Flower, veg, Mother and Clone area under those constraints--

That's a pretty ignorant statement.

 

[poking smot]

... i hope no one is relyng on you specifically, you might just let them die cause it's more "exciting"

Oh man come on, no one should take me serious, i'm just debating with others. Everyone should think for themselves. Who said dying is exciting? I was refering to the act of consuming and growing a plant behind the governments back.

 

[THE PABLOS]

The global criminalization of cannabis thru the failed ' War on Drugs'.....has been a priority of the US government for many years now.....is that news to you?

....Why would hundreds of Billions of USD's...(U.S. tax payers dollars) have been spent on this drug war if it was not?

Prop 19.....is not everything we would like to see....but it has many things about it that are much better than you have today if we are talking about freedom of use to grow and use cannabis for all of California's people......especially recreational users....which probably accounts for around 90% of all users....

I really don't think the War on Drugs is failing the US gov.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Growers and smokers know the risks if they get caught. It's all part of the game. It makes it more exciting. Look guys i feel bad for people not living in CA and not having a 215 card but thats tough. More insentive for those people to pass a prop in there own state. People need to quit relying on CA for everything cannabis related.

....No one is relying on California for everything cannabis related......I have been growing and toking on my own 'erb for years outside of California although the first place I actually grew some was in Marin County back in 1978.....

....and I am sure most all those that are busted and penalized for cannabis cultivation, use or supply don't really find it all that exciting when they feel victimized by a victimless crime and have to jump thru a whole bunch of legal hoops, the costs/time associated with it and possible time in jail because of it...it was not exciting for me at all.....to be labeled a criminal and do time in jail for a small amount of cannabis....

.....I have not heard any really valid argument here why not to vote 'YES' on Prop 19.......but everyone is entitled to their own opinion naturally.....

 

[localhero]

More states passing medicinal cannabis would have a much larger impact nationaly, and internationaly than 19 passing.

remember there are still people out there that think, "evil drug" when they hear, "marijuana". legitimizing the medicinal use of marijuana is a huge step towards the acceptance of marijuana.

failing that, i wish the proponents of 19 would have thought in terms of incremental change when they decided to put the money out there and get sigs.

would it have been so much of a stretch to make a prop that fully decriminalizes marijuana possession and cultivation while taxing its sale?

why did they have to place very prohibitive grow restrictions and draconian possesion limits?

i guess im old school. when i read through a bill, the first thing i ask myself is, "who benefits?"

by placing grow restrictions on personal grows, and opening up un specified commercial licensing guidelines. who benefits from this passing will not be the small guy.

now, i know there is power in the form of influence, knowledge and capital that is untapped in the california pot grower. if this bill does pass i hope we all circle the wagons. i hope we fight together as a team to mold the cali grow scene to the benefit of the spirit and ethics we as californians have fought so hard to create. i hope we can keep it true.

if it passes i will fight for those beliefs and stand by my fellow freedom fighting pot farmers.

but i cannot support prop 19.

 

[poking smot]

....No one is relying on California for everything cannabis related......I have been growing and toking on my own 'erb for years outside of California although the first place I actually grew some was in Marin County back in 1978.....

....and I am sure most all those that are busted and penalized for cannabis cultivation, use or supply don't really find it all that exciting when they feel victimized by a victimless crime and have to jump thru a whole bunch of legal hoops, the costs/time associated with it and possible time in jail because of it...it was not exciting for me at all.....to be labeled and criminal a do time in jail for a small amount of cannabis....

.....I have not heard any really valid argument here why not to vote 'YES' on Prop 19.......but everyone is entitled to their own opinion naturally.....

I don't want the government regulating it because its not their business. Why do they need to REGULATE, CONTROL, AND TAX other than to get their hands in the cookie jar. Just let us grow and smoke and stay the hell out of our lives. I as a CA resident already have what i need and would like to keep it that way.

 

[rives]

As a mid-50’s guy that started smoking pot over 40 years ago, I think that marijuana should be considered by the law to be as innocuous as we all know it to be. Everyone should have easy access to it with some restrictions for those who would start as young as I did! However, as a 215 card holder that has genuine medical issues, I find the pretense that everybody in the state qualifies for a card that was supposed to be for sick people offensive. When I got my first card, I had documentation from a half-dozen doctors, x-ray reports, recent opiate prescriptions, etc. The young girl in front of me had on a t-shirt that said “Typical Stoner Chick”. I had to remind the so-called Doctor that he should at least look at the referral from my doctor even if he didn’t keep it for his records. At some point, there will be a backlash to this. The passage of Prop 19 gets the recreational folks moved into their own arena, and is good for almost all of the stoner population. For the few that it isn’t a benefit too, it is no worse than the current regulations. If you are breaking the laws now and are comfortable with it, why in the hell would it bother you to continue breaking the law? Let’s see – at worst it is neutral, and benefits many. Sounds like about as good a place to start as it is likely to get to me.

 

[Hammerhead]

everything you bought has been regulated and taxed at some point there's no way cannabis can not be unless you keep it on the black market.

 

[GreatLakes THC]

Growers and smokers know the risks if they get caught. It's all part of the game. It makes it more exciting.

I know the risks that I've taken on by growing in a non med state, but I find no excitement in those risks. Why would you think the possibility of incarceration or worse to be exciting?

GreatLakes THC

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I don't want the government regulating it because its not their business. Why do they need to REGULATE, CONTROL, AND TAX other than to get their hands in the cookie jar. Just let us grow and smoke and stay the hell out of our lives. I as a CA resident already have what i need and would like to keep it that way.

Your government regulates and controls most everything already...(what does the F.D.A. do?)..why do you think that they would make an exception for cannabis?.....Oh....in a Utopian world based on some anarchical manifesto we might all be happier.....but..you have to deal with the real world around you that is controlled by your government why?.....because that is their business....

Whoever you vote for the government gets in.....

 

[poking smot]

everything you bought has been regulated and taxed at some point there's no way cannabis can not be unless you keep it on the black market.

I understand that, but just because other products are regulated and taxed doesn't mean everything has to be. Thats whats wrong with people these days, everyone needs things to be approved before we can use or do them. I just truly believe that this prop is not what CA needs. We should be fighting for full on legalization with no limits or boundries. We don't need to give the governments (state or fed) any more power over us.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

I understand that, but just because other products are regulated and taxed doesn't mean everything has to be. Thats whats wrong with people these days, everyone needs things to be approved before we can use or do them. I just truly believe that this prop is not what CA needs. We should be fighting for full on legalization with no limits or boundries. We don't need to give the governments (state or fed) any more power over us.

It's a pipe dream.

 

[smoke1sun]

love and peace everyone.

prop 215 offers more legal protection and freedom to california marijuana smokers than prop 19

prop 19 is a gateway drug to big business regulating and controlling cannabis in california.

It might but what about the folks that are not covered by prop 215? As i said before i'm not in or from Cali. But even tho prop 19 is for Cali only its alot bigger than "just Cali" and "just medical"