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Great read. You have interesting viewpoints. I'd love to sit down and pick your brain over a few nicely rolled doobies and a few molecules... no precipitate. lol.... 
8 Historic Symbols That Mean The Opposite of What You Think
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arcticsun
yeh yeh... waldo
.. where then is Varanger?
.. where then is Varanger?
EDIT: Nevermind.
To the OP, it isn't the inverted cross so much as an inverted Crucifix that causes problems. Kind of a big distinction.
Look at my post-count! LMFAO!Don't that just put the "dink" in Co-inky-dink?!
yup... the satanists wearing inverted crucifix aren't using a papal symbol, like there confused brethren.
p.s. what kind of problems are caused by inverting crucifixes?
have you ever heard crucifixation by deicide? the word crucifix always makes the chorus play in my head for a couple of seconds...
Norway
Why are you stalling?
I've had time enough to eat two goats, wrap their bones in their hides, and have them restored to life. hurry it up...
so connect the dots you imagine me to be unaware of and stop playing cryptic troll games...
just spit it out already.
and I would really love to see the evidence tying potsmoking at 4:20 with protestant marches.
please...
I am interested. I just need more documentation that "i think i heard something on TV once".
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arcticsun
.. yeh.. Norway. hehe, Varanger is more then a place in Norway, its barely a place in Norway at all.
These Varangians who went around and claimed taxes from England to Russia.. They didnt come from the Copenhagen - Oslo region and the northern European plains, they came from Varanger. They werent from central Asia either, they just colonized it. This is Varanger, at latitude 69 north, facing the polar sea. Coincidentally the northern tip of the Scandinavian peninsula.
This is where Columbus family heired from. By the tristate border between Norway, Finland and Russia in what is today arctic Norway is from where they colonized the world. This is the head of the beast.
We should look at a better and bigger map to get an idea of the sea routes in and out of Varanger, it will make the picture quite clear.
Columbus family and heritage then was Varangian, his cultural background was of a seafaring trading kind. A culture that traded widely from Nova Scotia to China and a culture that was a dominant and ruling culture based on a family hierarchy where Columbus was of very high status. He was royalty.
They knew very well about America, they knew excellently well about America when they set out to colonize it. Its not only that they didnt think the world was flat, they had colonized the whole of the Eurasian continent and America was next. They had colonies in America and churches there from the 10th century already, probably much earlier actually. Russia was established in the 8th century, byzantine in the 9th and England in the 10th.. they colonized it all from the north, from the seaways connected to Varanger. Looking at a 2D world map, Varanger may look and seem a distant place, yet from an elevated world view, Varanger is the central vantage point for waterway travel throughout the northern hemisphere from the north pole and down into the continents. Several waves of colonization has occurred through history. These colonial migrations has often been triggered by catastrophic events and climate change which can rapidly change the far northern latitudes from lush, productive and ice free to ice deserts in the matter of centuries. Such an event occured for example during the little ice age, which triggered the migrations and colonial activities of the Varangians. Accidentally the little ice age period peaked during the 15th-18th century circa. Columbus journey was in 1492.
Dont tell me you know about Varangian culture or about Varanger and then go duh Norway, because you dont know about this region and the culture here, you have a faint idea about some pirate savages raiding Europe. Its not like that at all, they were high culture aristocrats. Very well knowledged about the world, world history and also science. They studied the stars and planets in arctic Norway, it was a place for the greatest minds of the time.
Ill need a break, ill show you some interesting historical characters of the time later. The discovery of America and the protestant movements coincided with a very significant event in the aristocratic world. We had the first elected King in Norway at that time, the first king ever to have been born out of the established royal Kings bloodline. This is major for many reasons, one of them is that the world empire was to be united under the crown, including America. The empire then needed a King which could represent all colonial groups of the empire, a gallion figure if you will. So the original royal bloodline stepped down from the throne in favor of an elected King, naturally one of the correct heritage.
Its getting to be much to keep track of, ill need a fev moms, ill show you some of the central characters of the day and of these events.
Your Columbus story is not only a lie, its a horrible fairy tale that millions of Americans and westerners in general are brainwashed with in a systematic way. It should tell you something about the socalled educational institutions.
These Varangians who went around and claimed taxes from England to Russia.. They didnt come from the Copenhagen - Oslo region and the northern European plains, they came from Varanger. They werent from central Asia either, they just colonized it. This is Varanger, at latitude 69 north, facing the polar sea. Coincidentally the northern tip of the Scandinavian peninsula.
This is where Columbus family heired from. By the tristate border between Norway, Finland and Russia in what is today arctic Norway is from where they colonized the world. This is the head of the beast.
We should look at a better and bigger map to get an idea of the sea routes in and out of Varanger, it will make the picture quite clear.
Columbus family and heritage then was Varangian, his cultural background was of a seafaring trading kind. A culture that traded widely from Nova Scotia to China and a culture that was a dominant and ruling culture based on a family hierarchy where Columbus was of very high status. He was royalty.
They knew very well about America, they knew excellently well about America when they set out to colonize it. Its not only that they didnt think the world was flat, they had colonized the whole of the Eurasian continent and America was next. They had colonies in America and churches there from the 10th century already, probably much earlier actually. Russia was established in the 8th century, byzantine in the 9th and England in the 10th.. they colonized it all from the north, from the seaways connected to Varanger. Looking at a 2D world map, Varanger may look and seem a distant place, yet from an elevated world view, Varanger is the central vantage point for waterway travel throughout the northern hemisphere from the north pole and down into the continents. Several waves of colonization has occurred through history. These colonial migrations has often been triggered by catastrophic events and climate change which can rapidly change the far northern latitudes from lush, productive and ice free to ice deserts in the matter of centuries. Such an event occured for example during the little ice age, which triggered the migrations and colonial activities of the Varangians. Accidentally the little ice age period peaked during the 15th-18th century circa. Columbus journey was in 1492.
Dont tell me you know about Varangian culture or about Varanger and then go duh Norway, because you dont know about this region and the culture here, you have a faint idea about some pirate savages raiding Europe. Its not like that at all, they were high culture aristocrats. Very well knowledged about the world, world history and also science. They studied the stars and planets in arctic Norway, it was a place for the greatest minds of the time.
Ill need a break, ill show you some interesting historical characters of the time later. The discovery of America and the protestant movements coincided with a very significant event in the aristocratic world. We had the first elected King in Norway at that time, the first king ever to have been born out of the established royal Kings bloodline. This is major for many reasons, one of them is that the world empire was to be united under the crown, including America. The empire then needed a King which could represent all colonial groups of the empire, a gallion figure if you will. So the original royal bloodline stepped down from the throne in favor of an elected King, naturally one of the correct heritage.
Its getting to be much to keep track of, ill need a fev moms, ill show you some of the central characters of the day and of these events.
Your Columbus story is not only a lie, its a horrible fairy tale that millions of Americans and westerners in general are brainwashed with in a systematic way. It should tell you something about the socalled educational institutions.
you asked where Varanger is... it is a peninsula and is north of Varangerfjord.
Had you asked me what the extent of the varangian 'diaspora' was, I would have answered that question. Regardless of how far the Varangians settled, Varanger is back in finmark in norway.
Also, we will be needing more verification than your story... please provide some documentation in support of your tales.
Had you asked me what the extent of the varangian 'diaspora' was, I would have answered that question. Regardless of how far the Varangians settled, Varanger is back in finmark in norway.
Also, we will be needing more verification than your story... please provide some documentation in support of your tales.
best joke ever.
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arcticsun
ahh..
Any specific detail you wish me to document, there is quite a bit of information in my post.
Aristocrat, the word derives from the old Greek ruling class, its therefor the correct term. The joke is on you btw.
yes, I'd like Columbus ancestry documented.
you can think the joke is on me, but you have yet to present anything pertinent and verifiable which i did not already know. Most of the information in your post is common knowledge and irrelevant to Chris C.
the joke is in your imagination.
(or maybe in your hand when you have a piss)
you can think the joke is on me, but you have yet to present anything pertinent and verifiable which i did not already know. Most of the information in your post is common knowledge and irrelevant to Chris C.
the joke is in your imagination.
(or maybe in your hand when you have a piss)
Try this one...
one single obscure publication, by a nordic author
who bases his entire theory on similarities between two coats of arms.
bet you'll find no documentation other than this speculation, and citations of this speculation.
"Columbus – en europeer fra Norge?". Norsk maritimt forlag (Oslo) -- Borch Sannes, Tor 1991
one single obscure publication, by a nordic author
who bases his entire theory on similarities between two coats of arms.
bet you'll find no documentation other than this speculation, and citations of this speculation.
"Columbus – en europeer fra Norge?". Norsk maritimt forlag (Oslo) -- Borch Sannes, Tor 1991
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arcticsun
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/82946
This is just an example of one of many who have documented Columbus to be of aristocratic Greek descent.
.. why the joke is on you..
concerning Columbus' identity.
Chios port
The reliance on two principle sources (though many others are also cited),
written by persons who had actually seen Columbus' original Journal, are the
main basis of the author's thesis. One is Columbus' second son Ferdinand -- who
had sailed with his father -- whose life work was collecting books about
Columbus for his extensive library, and who wrote The Fourth Voyage of Columbus,
as well as The Life Of The Admiral, Christopher Columbus. The other was the
famous Historia De Las Indies, by Bishop de las Casas -- who had also sailed
with Columbus. These two sources, according to Durlacher-Wolper, are the most
reliable because their authors had sailed with the great mariner, and knew him
well. Columbus' son, Ferdinand, was known to have complained repeatedly that
there were many lies and falsehoods being written and disseminated about his
father. His chosen mission in life was to clear up the many misconceptions, and
to let the truth be known. Bishop de las Casas, confirmed that Columbus "was of
the Genoese nation," but would never utilize the Genoese language in his
writings, and would refer to himself as "Columbus de Terra Rubra," ("Columbus of
the Red Earth"). He also wrote that "more precise information as to his actual
birthplace [was never forthcoming"], but that he claimed his ancestors "had
always followed the sea." It is worthy of note that Chios Island is known for
its red soil, and that Chiotes have -- since time immemorial -- been famous as
seafarers and fleet owners.
Samuel Eliot Morison, the eminent historian, confirms Columbus' "ardent
enthusiasm for seafaring," and wrote, in his book, Admiral of the Ocean Sea
(Little, Brown, & Co., Boston. 1942), that Columbus first took to the sea in the
early 1460s, and that he made "many voyages to Chios in the Aegean," where he
learned to "hand reef, and steer, to estimate distance by eye, to let go and
weigh anchor properly, and all other elements of seamanship." Also, that he was
a "ruddy-complexioned redhead, with blue eyes." His son Ferdinand wrote that
Columbus gave himself the name "Christophoros" because "... in Greek it means
one who bears Christ," and "[my father] had carried Christ over deep waters
with great danger to himself ... that the Indian nations might become dwellers
in the triumphant Church of Heaven."
Columbus' signature was a combination of Byzantine-Greek and Latin. He signed
his name Xpo-Ferens, the first part being Greek and the second Latin. He
instructed his heirs to continue to "sign with my signature, which I now employ,
which is an X ["CHI"] with an S over it, and an M with an A over it, and over
that an S, and then a Greek Y with an S over it, preserving the relation of the
lines and points." (Morison p.202.)
Columbus' Byzantine Signatureconcerning Columbus' identity.
Chios port
The reliance on two principle sources (though many others are also cited),
written by persons who had actually seen Columbus' original Journal, are the
main basis of the author's thesis. One is Columbus' second son Ferdinand -- who
had sailed with his father -- whose life work was collecting books about
Columbus for his extensive library, and who wrote The Fourth Voyage of Columbus,
as well as The Life Of The Admiral, Christopher Columbus. The other was the
famous Historia De Las Indies, by Bishop de las Casas -- who had also sailed
with Columbus. These two sources, according to Durlacher-Wolper, are the most
reliable because their authors had sailed with the great mariner, and knew him
well. Columbus' son, Ferdinand, was known to have complained repeatedly that
there were many lies and falsehoods being written and disseminated about his
father. His chosen mission in life was to clear up the many misconceptions, and
to let the truth be known. Bishop de las Casas, confirmed that Columbus "was of
the Genoese nation," but would never utilize the Genoese language in his
writings, and would refer to himself as "Columbus de Terra Rubra," ("Columbus of
the Red Earth"). He also wrote that "more precise information as to his actual
birthplace [was never forthcoming"], but that he claimed his ancestors "had
always followed the sea." It is worthy of note that Chios Island is known for
its red soil, and that Chiotes have -- since time immemorial -- been famous as
seafarers and fleet owners.
Samuel Eliot Morison, the eminent historian, confirms Columbus' "ardent
enthusiasm for seafaring," and wrote, in his book, Admiral of the Ocean Sea
(Little, Brown, & Co., Boston. 1942), that Columbus first took to the sea in the
early 1460s, and that he made "many voyages to Chios in the Aegean," where he
learned to "hand reef, and steer, to estimate distance by eye, to let go and
weigh anchor properly, and all other elements of seamanship." Also, that he was
a "ruddy-complexioned redhead, with blue eyes." His son Ferdinand wrote that
Columbus gave himself the name "Christophoros" because "... in Greek it means
one who bears Christ," and "[my father] had carried Christ over deep waters
with great danger to himself ... that the Indian nations might become dwellers
in the triumphant Church of Heaven."
Columbus' signature was a combination of Byzantine-Greek and Latin. He signed
his name Xpo-Ferens, the first part being Greek and the second Latin. He
instructed his heirs to continue to "sign with my signature, which I now employ,
which is an X ["CHI"] with an S over it, and an M with an A over it, and over
that an S, and then a Greek Y with an S over it, preserving the relation of the
lines and points." (Morison p.202.)
Columbus' Byzantine Signature
A sign left Colombo before 1492, right by signing the "Admiral" at the service of the Crown of Castile.
This would accord with Columbus' desire to keep his identity concealed, as did
many Orthodox Christian Greeks who'd migrated to Catholic Italy before and
after Constantinople's fall to the Turks in 1453, and who wished to avoid
persecution in their new surroundings, or death at the hands of the Turks.
Columbus referred to Chios many times in his Journal, and also to the mastic gum
which is cultivated only on this island, and which grows in its red soil. Chios
was under Genoese rule from 1346 to 1566, and, during Columbus' time, was
administered -- though under the sovereignty of Genoa -- by a Genoese chartered
company called the "Mahouna." The bank used by this company was the Bank of St.
George in Genoa, which was also the bank used by Columbus. Because of this
connection, and the fact that he dressed like a Genoese, historians concluded
that he was Genoese, even though -- as confirmed by the great authority on
Columbus, Lionel Cecil Jane -- "[he] could not speak or write Italian." (Select
Documents Illustrating the Four Voyages of Columbus. Hakluyt Society. London,
1930.)
In Chios today, one may see examples of Genoese architecture throughout the
island. In the "mastichochori" (the mastic growing region in the southern part
of the island), and especially in the county seat of the district, the town of
Pyrghi, one sees the Italianate influence everywhere. The houses and buildings
of this town are decorated with geometric designs unique to Chios, and more
particularly to the mastic growing region where the Genoese had the strongest
influence because of their involvement in the mastic trade. Over the doors of
some homes in places like Pyrghi and Cimbouri, one can still see the name
KOLOMVOS inscribed. A picture of a priest of Pyrghi is shown in the book whose
name is "Kolomvos," and who told the author, Ruth Durlacher-Wolper, that his
family goes back 600 years on the island, and that the old Greek Byzantine
aristocracy had intermarried with the Genoese merchants because "they were bound
by the same interests," i.e., the mastic trade.
The connection to royalty is demonstrated by the writings of Ferdinand and Las
Casas, who quotes Columbus as saying that " sailed with my kinsman, Colon the
Younger, the Greek corsair"[pirate]. Who was this "kinsman?" Colon the Younger
was a member of one of the most important royal families in the Byzantine world,
the Palaeologi. His name was George Palaeologus Disipatos, and was also known as
"George le Grec." He turned corsair after the fall of Constantinople, and fought
the Turks on the sea after they'd conquered the Byzantine Empire. At this time,
according to the author, Columbus also went by the name of Colon, and her
research indicates that with the fall of Byzantium he "fled with his kinsman,
Colon the Younger, to... France" It is not certain just when he changed his name
to Columbus, and, in Ferdinand's book, he quotes a passage from a letter his
father wrote to the nurse of Don Juan of Castile: "I am not the first Admiral of
my family. Let them call me, then, by what name they will, for after all, David,
the wisest of kings, tended sheep and was later made king of Jerusalem, and I am
the servant of Him who raised David to that high estate." The Byzantine
connection would explain his knowledge of Latin and Greek, and would answer the
question as to why he kept his log in these two languages instead of the Italian
of Genoa.
Facts Contributing to the Clarification of Columbus' Identity
1) Columbus' signature "Xpo-Ferens" (Christophoros), is Greek-Latin
(Byzantine).
2) Columbus spelled Chios with a Greek X -- Xios.
3) Columbus marked the corner of his letters with a Greek X for Xios or
Xpo-Ferens, his name.
4) Columbus named Cape Maysi in Cuba by the Greek words "Alpha and Omega."
5) Columbus never asked Italy for ships or aid or food or shelter when he
needed help.
6) Columbus never spoke or read Italian.
7) Columbus made markings of Greek words on the margins of his favorite book,
Imago Mundi, by
Cardinal Pierre d'Ailly.
8) Columbus was called "Genoese" because he was from Chios, which belonged to
Genoa, and he
dressed in the Genoese style.
9) Columbus called himself, and signed documents, "Columbus de Terra Rubra"
(Columbus of the Red
Earth), because of the red earth of southern Chios where the mastic tree
grows.
10) Columbus banked at St. George Bank in Genoa, along with other Genoese
Chiotes, because:
a) Chios was a colony of Genoa.
b) Chios had been Genoese for almost 150 years (since 1346).
11) Columbus concealed his identity because of his well founded fear of being
killed by the Turks
after the fall of Constantinople: this prevented him from revealing his
Greek lineage.
12) Columbus called himself "Colon," and wrote that he sailed with a royal
kinsman who also had that
name.
13) Columbus kept "a secret accurate reckoning" and two logs. The author shows
that his "secret reckoning" was in Greek leagues, whereas his "official log"
was in Roman leagues.
14) Ferdinand could find no sign of the Christopher Colombo family when he
searched for it high and low in Genoa. These were supposedly the relatives of
Christopher Columbus, but Ferdinand wrote that "I have not been able to find out
how or where [they] live."
There is much more in this interesting book that would lend considerable and
convincing weight to the argument that Christopher Columbus was indeed "A
Byzantine Prince from Chios, Greece."
Christophoros Columbus: A Byzantine Prince from Chios, Greece. by Ruth G.
Durlacher-Wolper. Published by The New World Museum, San Salvador, Bahamas.
1982.
Notes
In 1982 Ruth G. Durlacher Wolper published her study A New Theory Clarifying the Identity of Christophoros Columbus: A Byzantine Prince from Chios, Greece (Published by The New World Museum, San Salvador, Bahamas). She argues that Columbus was from the island of Chios in the Aegean Sea, which was under Genoese rule from 1346 to 1566.
A priest named of Pyrghi, the main town on the island, named Κολόμβος "Kolomvos," told Mrs. Durlacher, that his family goes back 600 years on the island.
Enough reason for a plaque in the town of Pyrghi in Chios, funded by the European Union.
From the biography of Ruth Durlacher Wolper (1912-1999): she was a painter became a noted amateur historian and archaeologist. She wrote a pamphlet, published by the Smithsonian, on the "Landfall of Columbus," was instrumental in erecting a monument on the landing beach of Columbus, started the first pre-Columbian museum in the Bahamas, and was a frequent lecturer on Columbus, pre-Columbian artifacts and Bahamian history. In addition, she authored a controversial booklet offering evidence that Columbus was Greek.
Based on Durlacher's theories, a certain Seapal, wrote a phantastic story about Columbus' origin:
"Columbus was not born in Genoa but was a Byzantine nobleman, Disypatos Paleologos.
Paleologos (Columbus) was born in Constantinople in 1439 and not, as the Genoese claim, in their city in 1446, 1447, 1449 or 1451 or 1452. Just before the fall of Constantinople in 1453, Columbus left with his uncle Admiral Disypatos George Paleologos. He was then 14 years old and became a privateer in his uncle´s ship. It was then the time that the French needed good seamen and his uncle eventually became an Admiral in the French navy, which he joined under the name Colon Le Jeune. Colon was a common name then, as it meant 'Captain'." (this last statement is interesting, I wonder if people in France know this meaning of the word Colon !).
This is just an example of one of many who have documented Columbus to be of aristocratic Greek descent.
.. why the joke is on you..
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arcticsun
Cristopher Columbus.
uses the same family coat of arms as this man, the first elected king of Norway. 1450..
Before you say anything else, read about King Bonde. By the way you should also read about the war between the Bondes of Haalogaland and Olav the holy.
http://omacl.org/Heimskringla/haraldson8.html
Just so you realize who the Bondes were.
uses the same family coat of arms as this man, the first elected king of Norway. 1450..
Before you say anything else, read about King Bonde. By the way you should also read about the war between the Bondes of Haalogaland and Olav the holy.
http://omacl.org/Heimskringla/haraldson8.html
Just so you realize who the Bondes were.
or
lolz... youtubes? really? lol
dna tests indicated no jewish heritage...
dna tests indicated no jewish heritage...
nordic pride propaganda ftw...
