If it is snake oil why hasnt it went the way of all the other snake oils from its time?.
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If it is snake oil why hasnt it went the way of all the other snake oils from its time?.
Dorje113
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I'm guessing the stuff actually works IF there's a problem with the plant. Or, it does contain N ferts and you're seeing the result of adding a hot source of N. A little N is good for the transplant, and if the plant is stressed it may not make enough b1 or other items it needs.
I would also guess if the plant is grown under ideal conditions, superthrive will do absolutely nothing.
All I know is the giant sucking sound coming from my wallet as cash is drained to no benefit. I can get no benefit for free, no need to pay for it.
I'm proud to say that I was involved in getting Superthirve 'de-listed' here in Oregon via the Oregon Tilth organization which is the controlling body for organic agriculture and horticulture in Oregon.
This 'product' is pure B.S. which is why the company cannot to this day produce a SINGLE peer-reviewed study of their obnoxious claims on the label.
But the claims wasn't the path to getting this de-listed - it was as noted above the high concentration of NAA which IS a pesticide in it's concentrated form as found in Superthrive.
It's not that you can't add NAA to any product - you just have to note it on the label. No mysterious 'gubmint intervention' - just forcing companies to state what's in their products. Pretty simple, eh?
CC
This 'product' is pure B.S. which is why the company cannot to this day produce a SINGLE peer-reviewed study of their obnoxious claims on the label.
But the claims wasn't the path to getting this de-listed - it was as noted above the high concentration of NAA which IS a pesticide in it's concentrated form as found in Superthrive.
It's not that you can't add NAA to any product - you just have to note it on the label. No mysterious 'gubmint intervention' - just forcing companies to state what's in their products. Pretty simple, eh?
CC
I use Super-thrive on all my cuttings. I soak my plugs in water and super-thrive and use no other root stimulator and get 100% rooting in 7 day's every time.... before I would soak the plugs in water and use root stimutators and it was not as succesful.... I've been using Super-thrive for 5yrs with my cuttings and will use it till it's no longer sold..
atomicfield
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has anyone actually done a side-by-side grow with pictures, i would have to imagine that if the stuff is as everyone claims there would be all kinds of pics and evidence, i just don't see much difference since i stopped using it, think i read it here you can make growing as hard or as easy as you want to.
atomicfield
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i use a bubble bucket with nothing but tap water i get 5 to 7 day success every time, my best is cut from plant, bubble bucket, small air pot to actually vegging in seven days with lemon haze. so what actually works best.
That's what I have been trying to tell them.
The product is a joke and should be removed from the market.
Congrats on getting it delisted in Oregon.
Nothing but false claims on the label.
atomicfield
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nobody has any evidence on how well this stuff works? thats how false claims perpetuate into as many years as its been around, everybody claims its great with no proof, as far as the guarantee on the bottle, i could make the same claim for cat poop.
I use it off and on, i never use more than 1 drop / gal, and try to use more like 10 drops per 30 Gal reservior.
There is definetaly an effect.
Ive never gotten hermies from them.
Ive posted these pics in at least 3 other 'superthrive' threads; this is what it did to my Aloe (i think at about 5-10 drops/ Gal; i cant remember for sure, it was a while ago
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There is definetaly an effect.
Ive never gotten hermies from them.
Ive posted these pics in at least 3 other 'superthrive' threads; this is what it did to my Aloe (i think at about 5-10 drops/ Gal; i cant remember for sure, it was a while ago
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My Aloe
atomicfield
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wow what a difference, how about cannabis plants? and if the results are that dramatic why would you use it off and on as you say, i would use it every grow with those kind of resultsI use it off and on, i never use more than 1 drop / gal, and try to use more like 10 drops per 30 Gal reservoir.
There is definitely an effect.
Ive never gotten hermies from them.
Ive posted these pics in at least 3 other 'superthrive' threads; this is what it did to my Aloe (i think at about 5-10 drops/ Gal; i cant remember for sure, it was a while ago
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basically i wont use it deep into flower, and i run a perpetual, recirculating system. My perpetual is not symmetrical; sometimes the majority of plants are closer to finish, and sometimes the majority are just entering flower. I dont dose with ST when the majority are deep into flower.
The Aloe pics are from at least 2-3X the recommended application rate; now when i use it, im using 1/2 to 2/3 the application rate.
(Application rate listed on bottle is 1 drop/Gal; Ive read some use 1mL/Gal, i dont see how [25-30 drops = 1 mL])
Dont discount the fact that those aloe were not receiving intense light, only avg indoor ambient levels (and it was a colder month; there is frost on that window).
The aloe pics demonstrate that there is an effect, superthrive is not snake oil, but these effects shown are not a result of HID Lighting and optimal care.
The Aloe pics are from at least 2-3X the recommended application rate; now when i use it, im using 1/2 to 2/3 the application rate.
(Application rate listed on bottle is 1 drop/Gal; Ive read some use 1mL/Gal, i dont see how [25-30 drops = 1 mL])
Dont discount the fact that those aloe were not receiving intense light, only avg indoor ambient levels (and it was a colder month; there is frost on that window).
The aloe pics demonstrate that there is an effect, superthrive is not snake oil, but these effects shown are not a result of HID Lighting and optimal care.
atomicfield
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any pics? maybe I'm doing something wrong, i just don't see much difference when i use or not. i mean i get beer can sized buds routinely, before and after use, maybe it works better in certain containers over others idk.
Metalhead419
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I don't know about superthrive. Clack says snake oil and I'm not about to disagree with him. I think, if anything the 1-naphthaleneacetic acid (NAA) could be good for your plants. There isn't a lot of info around about it though. What I gather is it is a pesticide, its not a carcinogen, and I did find one study, a pretty old one, that says the stuff works.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/c474511186t31155/
Here it is, who is going to order it and try it out? Anyone willing to do like the study above? Run it at 15ppm 20ppm and 25ppm and see if it works.
https://www.colonialscientific.com/OScatalog/index.php?products_id=144075&source=googleps
http://www.springerlink.com/content/c474511186t31155/
Here it is, who is going to order it and try it out? Anyone willing to do like the study above? Run it at 15ppm 20ppm and 25ppm and see if it works.
https://www.colonialscientific.com/OScatalog/index.php?products_id=144075&source=googleps
Metalhead419
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I did some more research on this subject, and it is definitely the NAA or 1-Naphthaleneacetic acid that is helping your roots. It turns out that NAA is pretty common in higher end cloning products, such as dip n gro, and woods rooting solution. You can order NAA, and IBA by itself and dissolve it in alcohol and make your own cloning solution and rooting stimulant and probably save some money. Check out this website I found in another thread, it talks a lot about IBA, NAA, and B1, what its purposes are and how to use it.
Superthrive says right on the bottle its 75% water, so think about that the next time you buy it. Just based on there BS claims, and bogus advertising I would never buy the stuff, but I am interested in what benefit the ingredients have to offer.
http://super-grow.biz/Products.jsp
Superthrive says right on the bottle its 75% water, so think about that the next time you buy it. Just based on there BS claims, and bogus advertising I would never buy the stuff, but I am interested in what benefit the ingredients have to offer.
http://super-grow.biz/Products.jsp
atomicfield
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man great research metalhead. im kinda following in yours and clack footsteps on this one, that was great stuff, thanks man.
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