Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[delta9nxs]

hey, k33ftr33z, i just got 10.52 oz's from the first one i defoliated at 21 days flower. not bad, but i have some whoppers coming along nicely. it is definitely not affecting yield negatively.

since this thread is a sticky on the topic of defoliation, i would suggest that you keep it that way and start a new thread for the equipment. i, for one, am very interested in those controllers and am always interested in room design, lighting arrangements, and so on.

the other thing that you might consider would be a poll taken only from those who have tried it and posted pics on this thread. later in the thread, perhaps.

some of the naysayers seem to expect those defoliating to prove the technique to them using peer reviewed research. i submit to them that this is not going to happen.

potency and yield have gone up radically in the last ten years mostly due to individual growers trying stuff and reporting it. after a while it adds up.

it is up to each individual to prove efficacy for themselves. in their own way.

if you are against this it is up to you to rip some leaves off your own plants and prove to us that this doesn't work.

thank you, k33ftr33z, for starting this thread.

d9

 

[Animal Mother]

I'm on my third trim, about to go into veg, got some purple kush going and I trimmed them nearly bare 3 times and they recover faster each time with a huge amount of new growth, and serious branching. My question is, once into flower, how do you keep the plants nice and trimmed of leaf without fucking up the buds, once you're into flower? I have 12 plants in a 4x4 ebb n flow table.

I was moving them so could get to the leaf and then put it back in it's place in the table but during flower I don't think it would be good to move them like that.

 

[one Q]

well I will have to say that according to my notes, using this method Im a little behind than with the no-trim method. Im hoping that they catch up soon. I will not bad mouth this thread until the very end, but Im growing skeptical.

But in veg, it keeps moms compact and slow growing, which is GREAT

 

[montanaorganics]

This is such a silly rainbow unicorn thread. All the naysayers want peer reviewed trials, but those simply arent needed cuz it works and thats just silly to prove something.
Seriously 50 pages of sticky and not one single side by side? Sounds like 50 pages of bullshit from people who are as afraid to try a side by side as the naysayers are to take up this illogical technique. Someday I will try a side by side... but dont insult us by just saying it works cuz it does duh.
Show us! You should all be proud to demonstrate to the less advanced crowd a way to increase their productivity? Isnt that what ICMAG is about? Without knowing better, one might think this thread was an advertisement for a product.

 

[twrex]

This is such a silly rainbow unicorn thread. All the naysayers want peer reviewed trials, but those simply arent needed cuz it works and thats just silly to prove something.
Seriously 50 pages of sticky and not one single side by side? Sounds like 50 pages of bullshit from people who are as afraid to try a side by side as the naysayers are to take up this illogical technique. Someday I will try a side by side... but dont insult us by just saying it works cuz it does duh.
Show us! You should all be proud to demonstrate to the less advanced crowd a way to increase their productivity? Isnt that what ICMAG is about? Without knowing better, one might think this thread was an advertisement for a product.

I believe the issue is space, since the non-defoliated plants' leaves would crowd out and shade the defoliated plants. So, to do it properly you'd need to treat this the same as a side by side of two different lights with two separate grow chambers. Most folks who are in here trying things out just don't seem to have that kind of space, but I'm sure it will be done.

 

[HybridHydro]

I already explained the criteria for doing a test, it would need to be done with 4 plants to get any type of actual results to make or pass judgement.

 

[delta9nxs]

This is too funny, I just got my first negative rep ever. Over taking leaves or leaving leaves on a plant. Who looks small and petty? Anonymously, of course.

I will never be able to do a “side by side” as I grow perpetual. A side by side wouldn't mean much here anyway when all the variables are figured in.

but I do keep careful records and so I can monitor trends in yield. I know what I have been getting with this cut. I will know soon enough if the trend is up or down.

I have just harvested the first one defoliated at 21 days flower and have defoliated all since then at the same point. I will be getting a steady stream of yield numbers for a while.

I will look at them, compare the results to before defoliating, and make a decision based on overall numbers and the labor factors involved. I will also factor in things like plant health and bud shape and size. Appearance.

Then I will make an informal report and that will have to do.

On a magazine the size of this one, on a thread that is being widely read, we should be able to come to a consensus. Or at least produce some numbers derived from the experience of the participants. If you don't participate you are not qualified to contribute.

I have a feeling that there will be a group that got good results, a group that got mediocre results, and a group that got poor results. But that is always the way it is.

d9

 

[blowin]

any more pics or ending results of this method with big yields??

this can also work to do for vegging plants outside??? that are about a foot tall.??
so just take the huge fan leafs which may be blocking light to lower branches and forming points.

 

[SumDumGuy]

This is too funny, I just got my first negative rep ever. Over taking leaves or leaving leaves on a plant. Who looks small and petty? Anonymously, of course.


d9

Delta in my neck of the woods we call those "Haterz".

 

[mrdizzle]

This is such a silly rainbow unicorn thread. All the naysayers want peer reviewed trials, but those simply arent needed cuz it works and thats just silly to prove something.
Seriously 50 pages of sticky and not one single side by side? Sounds like 50 pages of bullshit from people who are as afraid to try a side by side as the naysayers are to take up this illogical technique. Someday I will try a side by side... but dont insult us by just saying it works cuz it does duh.
Show us! You should all be proud to demonstrate to the less advanced crowd a way to increase their productivity? Isnt that what ICMAG is about? Without knowing better, one might think this thread was an advertisement for a product.

I love it when people want others to do work for them, maybe you should do a side by side, why would someone who plucks truthly care if you believe its a benifit or not? your not paying their bills

leave your fans leaves alone bro

we all could use more people growing larfy bud so my popcornless #'s drop in the clubs without a hitch

 

[Animal Mother]

I'm on my third trim, about to go into veg, got some purple kush going and I trimmed them nearly bare 3 times and they recover faster each time with a huge amount of new growth, and serious branching. My question is, once into flower, how do you keep the plants nice and trimmed of leaf without fucking up the buds, once you're into flower? I have 12 plants in a 4x4 ebb n flow table.

I was moving them so could get to the leaf and then put it back in it's place in the table but during flower I don't think it would be good to move them like that.

Any tips on this question ?

 

[k33ftr33z]

Any tips on this question ?

Just pluck away reaching for every leaf that is easily nipped with the thumbnail. You can't do any damage just pushing buds aside to get to a leaf. Good idea not moving the plants. Don't baby them while trimming. They can handle bending, twisting, arranging the branches to maximize space.

 

[k33ftr33z]

This is such a silly rainbow unicorn thread. All the naysayers want peer reviewed trials, but those simply arent needed cuz it works and thats just silly to prove something.
Seriously 50 pages of sticky and not one single side by side? Sounds like 50 pages of bullshit from people who are as afraid to try a side by side as the naysayers are to take up this illogical technique. Someday I will try a side by side... but dont insult us by just saying it works cuz it does duh.
Show us! You should all be proud to demonstrate to the less advanced crowd a way to increase their productivity? Isnt that what ICMAG is about? Without knowing better, one might think this thread was an advertisement for a product.

"Rainbow Unicorn"? what does that mean.

I don't think my intention with this thread was to convince anyone or prove anything. 30+years experience gave me plenty of side by sides. The thread was to bring out those who also have experimented and share those results. I was pleased to find I was not the only one who saw the same kind of development after defoliation. We're not here to prove it to you or anyone, only to report our own courageous experimentation. It's a shame some enter the thread asking for proof before embarking on an experiment. If you have doubts with the results I've posted, I'm interested in your critique of the photographic evidence and comparison to your results as a leaf lover.

 

[k33ftr33z]

hey, k33ftr33z, i just got 10.52 oz's from the first one i defoliated at 21 days flower. not bad, but i have some whoppers coming along nicely. it is definitely not affecting yield negatively.

since this thread is a sticky on the topic of defoliation, i would suggest that you keep it that way and start a new thread for the equipment. i, for one, am very interested in those controllers and am always interested in room design, lighting arrangements, and so on.

the other thing that you might consider would be a poll taken only from those who have tried it and posted pics on this thread. later in the thread, perhaps.

some of the naysayers seem to expect those defoliating to prove the technique to them using peer reviewed research. i submit to them that this is not going to happen.

potency and yield have gone up radically in the last ten years mostly due to individual growers trying stuff and reporting it. after a while it adds up.

it is up to each individual to prove efficacy for themselves. in their own way.

if you are against this it is up to you to rip some leaves off your own plants and prove to us that this doesn't work.

thank you, k33ftr33z, for starting this thread.

d9

Thanks d9, good to hear the positive weigh-in and outlook. I'll definitely be keeping it on-topic here.

 

[k33ftr33z]

I love it when people want others to do work for them, maybe you should do a side by side, why would someone who plucks truthly care if you believe its a benifit or not? your not paying their bills

leave your fans leaves alone bro

we all could use more people growing larfy bud so my popcornless #'s drop in the clubs without a hitch

Well said

 

[buddin_904]

lol the reason there r no side by sides is because why would you want to sacrifice yield(not defolating) to show you ungreatful pricks how it really does make a difference......

reading and seeing pics of bud development by the posters on here was convincing enough for me to try it myself....i am greatly impressed with the results....i do think this method is more valuable to a small watt grower btw

 

[mrdizzle]

haha exactly

besides the only way you'll ever truly believe something is if you try it yourself, like when people rave about nutes or systems ect, you really gotta see it to believe it so side by sides should be done infront of your own eyes, everyone could strip one plant, really not risking that much

 

[delta9nxs]

As a member in good standing of the “rainbow unicorn” coalition, I am deeply offended by this hurtful slur on our character. The inference that we are “silly” may be true but that does not mean it is socially acceptable to point it out every chance you get. Real gentlemen try to make those less fortunate feel as comfortable as possible. We are already sensitive about the whole issue but just don't know what to do about it because we are, you know, so silly.

And, you better watch out because there are closet sillies everywhere who are too embarrassed by their silliness to go public but would wreak vengeance on you if they were not so preoccupied by their own silly nature.

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!

 

[superusa]

I love it when people want others to do work for them, maybe you should do a side by side, why would someone who plucks truthly care if you believe its a benifit or not? your not paying their bills

leave your fans leaves alone bro

we all could use more people growing leafy bud so my popcornless #'s drop in the clubs without a hitch

Word. Seems like colorado dispensaries like to sell the leafy shit too.....I like my buds trimmed tight looking nasty. But you know the dispensaries.....weight is weight....pretenders

 

[denmaster]

I've been growing 25 years and this has always been debated over between growers. The main worry I believe is plant shock leading to slowed or halted growth but as you pointed out it must be maintained from the beginning to the end which will condition the plant to this regular pruning. I have always used and had success with near leafless grows but personally have noted that there is a noticeably lower yield with this method in a couple of pure landrace stocks...no issues with any new cross generation strains or f1 hybrids to this that I've encountered.