Exactly, your body your decision. But as soon as you steal, or harm another to perpetuate your habit, then it's time for the justice system.
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Can't we all just get along!!!
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Exactly, your body your decision. But as soon as you steal, or harm another to perpetuate your habit, then it's time for the justice system.
"Also, saying drugs shouldn't be legal because you don't want people driving around on them is just bad logic. That is like saying alcohol should be illegal for all, because SOME make bad choices and drive drunk. "
some? theres a shitload of people making bad choices its human nature thats how you learn but some dont live to realize their mistake.If your were hit head on tommorow by somone who was shit faced and it prevented you from being employed in the future would you have the same outlook? and please give us the perfect drug prevention and treatment tactic thats gonna work without the will power of that person if they want the drug no treatment will get that treatment through their head.and if people can function on them whats the point of treatment. also ,im not saying there should be a WAR on drugs thats political manuvering,i would be all foir it if people were responsable,but face it they are not.
some? theres a shitload of people making bad choices its human nature thats how you learn but some dont live to realize their mistake.If your were hit head on tommorow by somone who was shit faced and it prevented you from being employed in the future would you have the same outlook? and please give us the perfect drug prevention and treatment tactic thats gonna work without the will power of that person if they want the drug no treatment will get that treatment through their head.and if people can function on them whats the point of treatment. also ,im not saying there should be a WAR on drugs thats political manuvering,i would be all foir it if people were responsable,but face it they are not.
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A lot of the people I know who use "drugs" have shit lives, not one of them were ever poor,abused or had a hard upbringing.
It was only when they became addicted that their lives turned to shit.
Look at Holland and the example you gave, who's paying for clinics and testing and the medical attention.
The addict or the tax payer?
Junkies are'nt gonna have health insurance
word man!
no harm to others or their property should mean no crime is committed period and full stop.
A lot of the people I know who use "drugs" have shit lives, not one of them were ever poor,abused or had a hard upbringing.
It was only when they became addicted that their lives turned to shit.
Look at Holland and the example you gave, who's paying for clinics and testing and the medical attention.
The addict or the tax payer?
Junkies are'nt gonna have health insurance
Who's paying the $20billion for the drug war?
It really saddens me that some stoners would be more than happy to see the Drug War continue as long as they aren't the targets.
It's called natural selection, without it your breed stupidity.
As far as drunk driver killing others. It sucks. But, it's a cruel world, and no amount of legislation will change that. People die unnecessarily, just the way it is.
BornToBeWild
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Rather than jail some just need a helping hand, and someone to love them rather than their dope slinger who is making money on their bad habits.
natural selection? no ones lookin at this from the point of veiw,that somday a crack head could kill you for a fix or money to get a fix, if they want it bad enough thats not natural selection. It is if just the crackhead dies.my argument here is they effect everyone around them for a substence that big ernie made in his basment he dont gave a crap about selection or you just that hese hustlin fools.the world needs less of this.should this be the case for murderers? we shouldnt take away the right to murder people and put them in jail? they need treatment ? give me a break.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmgE9csoMek
I see where your coming from, but the crackhead's fix wouldn't be near as expensive, were it not for the war on drugs. Murderers DIRECTLY harm others, drug use is not violent. The majority of the violence comes from the black market driving up prices. Oh, a crackhead would be hard pressed to kill ME, I don't pretend to live in non-violent fairy-tail where cops and laws protect me from everything, I carry guns, and protect myself and my family. I don't carry guns cause I'm violent, I wouldn't hurt a fly (unless for protection), don't even hunt, I carry cause I'm a realist.
If someone chooses to partake in a potentially dangerous physical sport such as skate-boarding, skiing, Motorcycle racing, diving, a martial art e.t.c.....(or even marriage lol! j/k)
....would you deprive them of medical attention if they hurt themselves physically or mentally engaging in these sports?.....or would you lock them up and criminalize them for being irresponsible for engaging in an activity that causes them injury?
If someone chose to engage in a cerebral sport such as drug taking........would you deprive them of the medical attention needed if they happened to hurt themselves physically or mentally thru addiction by being irresponsible with their drug of choice?.......or would you just lock them up, ruin their lives even more and label them a criminal for the rest of their lives?
....would you deprive them of medical attention if they hurt themselves physically or mentally engaging in these sports?.....or would you lock them up and criminalize them for being irresponsible for engaging in an activity that causes them injury?
If someone chose to engage in a cerebral sport such as drug taking........would you deprive them of the medical attention needed if they happened to hurt themselves physically or mentally thru addiction by being irresponsible with their drug of choice?.......or would you just lock them up, ruin their lives even more and label them a criminal for the rest of their lives?
It was proved that the media was lying about the meth pandemic that was sweeping the nation.
The same way the media makes it seem like only blacks are committing crimes by choosing the report those stories is what they do with drugs as well. There are far more non-violent hard drug users than violent crime committing ones.
Nobody is saying give them a walk out of jail card if they commit a crime.
The same way the media makes it seem like only blacks are committing crimes by choosing the report those stories is what they do with drugs as well. There are far more non-violent hard drug users than violent crime committing ones.
Nobody is saying give them a walk out of jail card if they commit a crime.
That very much is natural selection, only the strong survive. Don't let a crackhead rob and kill you. If you are strong enough to fend of attack, you live to procreate and add to the genepool. I know what I say sounds harsh, but the reality is, we live in a harsh place.
Very good point. I like the way they Holland treats heroin, they make it as safe as possible for the user, which I believe makes safer for society.
I'm not for or against legalizing everything. I'm somewhat indifferent on the whole thing because I haven't really given it too much thought.
That said, I'd like to see people not go to jail for growing marijuana. That would be a good start and would be a good gauge of how society will react, if at all, to the positive change in their personal freedom.
As far as total legalization of everything, we would presumably save a ton of money on the costs of law enforcement and incarceration. This money could be put to better use for sure.
However, doesn't there have to be some kind of a trade off? There is always a trade off. To think that everything is gonna be peaches and cream after total legalization might be a little bit naive, imvho.
That said, I'd like to see people not go to jail for growing marijuana. That would be a good start and would be a good gauge of how society will react, if at all, to the positive change in their personal freedom.
As far as total legalization of everything, we would presumably save a ton of money on the costs of law enforcement and incarceration. This money could be put to better use for sure.
However, doesn't there have to be some kind of a trade off? There is always a trade off. To think that everything is gonna be peaches and cream after total legalization might be a little bit naive, imvho.
I don't see a realistic approach that involves legalization of deadly destructive chemicals.
No harm to others or their property... NO CRIME?! This seems totally out of line with hard drug use. Have you really met a TRUE junkie?
You may know some hard drug users that run Forbes Fortune 500 companies, but I never have.
I know the junkies that break in your door and steal your shit if they don't tear up your friendship before they could...
Maybe you just need to hang out with your CEO friends a little longer.
Maybe you need to hang out with a better class of people.
partaking in a sport and you hurting yourself , i dont care and yes you should receive help. now doing a drug witch effects people besides youself and they dont want anything to do with it, i see a problem with.i personally wouldnt care if someone came up with a idea to give these people their fix and kept them in a spot where they cant hurt anyone except themselves.so far no one has suggested a alternetive that works.theres treatments out there now also ,i dont see prison as the say all end all to this problem but some drugs for now are illeagle cause there are no alternatives.i dont want people to suffer i want people to live the way they want WITHOUT effecting others.i think most are confusing my personal veiw with the goverments policy wich hasnt worked,they need a new policy but i think persuading them is gonna take a working plan with facts to back it up,and even then you can only bring the horse to the water.they may have their own underhandded reasons for keeping it this way.again not my view, i was hoping in this thread to get people to think of alternatives,witch isnt happening just people shouting slogans of free choice,but again without a plan.
Not all junkies are created equal.
See, this is the point where the drug use does effect others and the junkie is ready for JAIL.
I have a crackhead uncle doing serious time, and he deserves to be there. Not due to his drug use, but because he stole, and stole, and stole...
