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ZENARCADE
Nice room! Nice A/C! thread tagged!
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a Lone Wolf.... in the ATTIC with 4000 watts!
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superultramega
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ZENARCADE
How's that A/c running? I'm really interested in building one of these A/C boxes. Does the rigid insulation you used for the box do a good job keeping the heat out of the attic? Cool that you are pulling this off with a box fan. I see all these other dudes using 12" vortex fans problem is they are too damn loud!!!! That monster A/C must keep your humidity in check too!
Thanks for the info, appreciate it!
Re: the permit... If it were just me, I wouldn't worry about it but gotta keep the wife happy. I figure it's worth the trouble if only to keep her OK w/ growing in our house.
superultramega
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An electrician won't likely pull a permit to add one breaker. You can do it, it's really easy.
You can shut off power to the breakers by flipping the main breaker.
Sounds like you're trying to run a 30 amp 220v circuit. Get a 30 amp 220 breaker. Check your box to see what type of breaker to use. There will be a letter code such as "QO". Find the brand and the type. You'll be able to match it at the home center most likely. A 220v breaker will look like two regular breakers attached together with a bar connecting them so they must be turned on or off simultaneously. The breaker simply plugs into the panel. Some have screws that hold them in place but that is somewhat rare.
Feed the wire into the panel and secure it with an NM connector to the box and strip the outer casing from the cable. The black and red wires of the 10/3 go into the breaker outputs. The white and bare copper go into the neutral rail. (Note there is an exception to this: If you see the white and bare wires attached to separate bars you should do the same. This is a case where you are connecting to a sub-panel and they must be separated. If they are all mixed on one bar or mixed on several bars just hook them up to any open slot)
And there you are. You're done.
The next question is what are you hooking up to this circuit. We can then walk you through the other end of the wire. Keep in mind that you should connect a circuit to the panel as the last step.
You can shut off power to the breakers by flipping the main breaker.
Sounds like you're trying to run a 30 amp 220v circuit. Get a 30 amp 220 breaker. Check your box to see what type of breaker to use. There will be a letter code such as "QO". Find the brand and the type. You'll be able to match it at the home center most likely. A 220v breaker will look like two regular breakers attached together with a bar connecting them so they must be turned on or off simultaneously. The breaker simply plugs into the panel. Some have screws that hold them in place but that is somewhat rare.
Feed the wire into the panel and secure it with an NM connector to the box and strip the outer casing from the cable. The black and red wires of the 10/3 go into the breaker outputs. The white and bare copper go into the neutral rail. (Note there is an exception to this: If you see the white and bare wires attached to separate bars you should do the same. This is a case where you are connecting to a sub-panel and they must be separated. If they are all mixed on one bar or mixed on several bars just hook them up to any open slot)
And there you are. You're done.
The next question is what are you hooking up to this circuit. We can then walk you through the other end of the wire. Keep in mind that you should connect a circuit to the panel as the last step.
Thanks for your help.
What I want is actually more simple I think. I just want to run two 20 amp circuits to my home-office (which is where my grow cabinet/tent are). One to plug all my grow lights/fans/etc and my portable AC unit into and another to power all my computers.
I am only running a 400-watt HPS and a few 2' T5s, so my power needs for growing aren't really all that much. The issue I'm running into is that I work in IT and have numerous servers sucking up power (between 2-5amps each). I'm moving my office from my company's buildings to my home-office so I'll be bringing even more machines and possibly a server rack to hold it all.
So it seems like I would need 2 20amp breakers to match my panel, 2 20amp outlets to be mounted in my office wall and then the wire (12 gauge? I think). Would it be appropriate to string 12/2 romex through my attic and down through my wall to the outlets? I'd like to use whatever wire an electrician would use and properly encase it (or not if N/A) in conduit.
Thanks and if I have more questions, I'll move them to another thread. Still interested in hearing how Lone Wolf did it too.
-DB
superultramega
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That's even easier. 12 gauge will carry 20 amp. Yup two 20 amp breakers. All other instructions above still apply to finding and installing the breakers.
You could just run a single 12-3 carrying two circuits. The red goes to one breaker and the black to another. All neutrals and grounds are shared. Just be sure that the two breakers are located one directly underneath the other in the panel. This would be easier than trying to fish two seperate wires up to your attic.
Almost everywhere NM is acceptable for home wiring. Again, do not put it in conduit. If you see NM in the basement going into your panel you are fine (or anywhere else exposed).
You could just run a single 12-3 carrying two circuits. The red goes to one breaker and the black to another. All neutrals and grounds are shared. Just be sure that the two breakers are located one directly underneath the other in the panel. This would be easier than trying to fish two seperate wires up to your attic.
Almost everywhere NM is acceptable for home wiring. Again, do not put it in conduit. If you see NM in the basement going into your panel you are fine (or anywhere else exposed).
Thanks! It sounds pretty easy once you understand all the variables and safety checklists. My only question with the 12-3 is that I'm reading that you can't do GFCI with it?
-DB
hey whats up guys, thanks for coming into my grow thread....
densebuds, I can rip this room down quick... I have a box of 55gal garbage bags sitting up there for that one possible day that I may have to rip everything down, break it down, and load it into the garbage bags.... ripping down styrofoam and pandafilm is alot easier then ripping down drywall, or plywood, then somehow managing to break it down to something that can easily be thrown into a garbage bag and thrown outside a window, or easily carried out a door without causing too much suspicion from outside... ive had atleast 5 plants alive any given day for the 10 years I have been growing... I have also had about 6 different homes since then as well .. im sure you can feel me here... as far as electical work, and breakers... go into lowes and grab an electrical book and just read it... it shows alot of pictures and basically sums everything up using pictures... im a visual person, so seeing what I am working with has always helped me comprehend things easier then just reading about them only... im not a "terminology" person...as far as watering is concerned, I lug up 5gal buckets to water... I bought a big pump, but it wasn't big enough... I am still trying to figure out how to pump water up there... I had purchased a large rubbermade trash can that I was going to use as a reservoir, but I am still having difficulties with understanding the right size pump to use... It is a pretty large lift that the pump will have to deal with, and a long amount of hose required to run it from the nearest water spicket, so once I get around to getting sick of lugging buckets up there, I am going to start putting more thought into an appropriate pump... the ultimate plan is to get a watering system running so i do not have to break my back 5 times a day making my way up to the attic... but the thought of water system and attic just scares me... I can see the rainstorm in my house just thinking about it... I have really been looking into those trough-blumat drippers, but I am going to need about 120 of them, and that is QUITE expensive... i got a quote and its going to cost me about 5-550 USD for everything including shipping from Austria to PA, and that extra bit of hose they require you buy... I would need to run them on all of my plants..
DTF, thanks for answering densebuds questions...
ZENARCADE- thanks for swinging by, i appreciate the comments, the AC is working phenomenally... ive been keeping it on 75... once I get my first bill that includes all of this stuff being used at once, I am going to crank the baby down to like 70 to keep them NIIIICE and happy.... I am still watching these babies grow, and its very cool to watch my own strains grow up and show their characteristics... I just took 3 clones of them all to help me with my future breeding/mass cloning plans....
.......not to be a dick guys... but there are tons of threads here on IC on how to wire things... if you could please go into one of those threads, or PM eachother, that would ROCK - I love that you guys are here entertaining me in my thread, but lets keep the deep electrical talk down to some PM's or another thread... much love - hugs and kisses...
I have been taking pictures of my plants, and I will try and get them up soon... I have been doing ALOT of work on each plant... tidying each one up, removing dead leaves, cloning bottom branches, topping the tall plants, bending the plants to get an even canopy, watering the plants.... I have the room somewhat complete and ready for the summer, so I guess I can give my plants some love...
the only major thing that I need to get done in my room is make a better door on it... now that the AC is cooling that air, its very important for me to keep that air INSIDE of the room, and not escaping out... right now I just have a piece of panda film as a door, and i close it with a piece of tape... I am going to put up another layer of panda, and install two of those zipper doors....one is not good enough because light penetrates... I need to get two zipper doors so that I have that added protection against light and cold/hot air leaks ...
off to take a look at some pictures that I may load... nothing special yet, still just selecting moms, and vegging bitches out.. I put 60 in the attic for now... i have about 50 more to tidy up and clone then stick up in the attic... since I have been tidying up the plants, I have been getting a good look at all of the diff characteristics of all of my crosses... its cool to see the skinny sour bubble crosses mixed in with the bushy williams wonder x blueberry or FI... the sour bubble look weak because they grow single stalks straight up, and not many limbs, where as the wwXbb OR wwXfi have some thick stalks and many long limbs, almost pine tree shaped....
okok, on to work on the pictures... (man this is alot of work trying to show off to you guys!)
LONE WOLF
densebuds, I can rip this room down quick... I have a box of 55gal garbage bags sitting up there for that one possible day that I may have to rip everything down, break it down, and load it into the garbage bags.... ripping down styrofoam and pandafilm is alot easier then ripping down drywall, or plywood, then somehow managing to break it down to something that can easily be thrown into a garbage bag and thrown outside a window, or easily carried out a door without causing too much suspicion from outside... ive had atleast 5 plants alive any given day for the 10 years I have been growing... I have also had about 6 different homes since then as well .. im sure you can feel me here... as far as electical work, and breakers... go into lowes and grab an electrical book and just read it... it shows alot of pictures and basically sums everything up using pictures... im a visual person, so seeing what I am working with has always helped me comprehend things easier then just reading about them only... im not a "terminology" person...as far as watering is concerned, I lug up 5gal buckets to water... I bought a big pump, but it wasn't big enough... I am still trying to figure out how to pump water up there... I had purchased a large rubbermade trash can that I was going to use as a reservoir, but I am still having difficulties with understanding the right size pump to use... It is a pretty large lift that the pump will have to deal with, and a long amount of hose required to run it from the nearest water spicket, so once I get around to getting sick of lugging buckets up there, I am going to start putting more thought into an appropriate pump... the ultimate plan is to get a watering system running so i do not have to break my back 5 times a day making my way up to the attic... but the thought of water system and attic just scares me... I can see the rainstorm in my house just thinking about it... I have really been looking into those trough-blumat drippers, but I am going to need about 120 of them, and that is QUITE expensive... i got a quote and its going to cost me about 5-550 USD for everything including shipping from Austria to PA, and that extra bit of hose they require you buy... I would need to run them on all of my plants..
DTF, thanks for answering densebuds questions...
ZENARCADE- thanks for swinging by, i appreciate the comments, the AC is working phenomenally... ive been keeping it on 75... once I get my first bill that includes all of this stuff being used at once, I am going to crank the baby down to like 70 to keep them NIIIICE and happy.... I am still watching these babies grow, and its very cool to watch my own strains grow up and show their characteristics... I just took 3 clones of them all to help me with my future breeding/mass cloning plans....
.......not to be a dick guys... but there are tons of threads here on IC on how to wire things... if you could please go into one of those threads, or PM eachother, that would ROCK - I love that you guys are here entertaining me in my thread, but lets keep the deep electrical talk down to some PM's or another thread... much love - hugs and kisses...
I have been taking pictures of my plants, and I will try and get them up soon... I have been doing ALOT of work on each plant... tidying each one up, removing dead leaves, cloning bottom branches, topping the tall plants, bending the plants to get an even canopy, watering the plants.... I have the room somewhat complete and ready for the summer, so I guess I can give my plants some love...
the only major thing that I need to get done in my room is make a better door on it... now that the AC is cooling that air, its very important for me to keep that air INSIDE of the room, and not escaping out... right now I just have a piece of panda film as a door, and i close it with a piece of tape... I am going to put up another layer of panda, and install two of those zipper doors....one is not good enough because light penetrates... I need to get two zipper doors so that I have that added protection against light and cold/hot air leaks ...
off to take a look at some pictures that I may load... nothing special yet, still just selecting moms, and vegging bitches out.. I put 60 in the attic for now... i have about 50 more to tidy up and clone then stick up in the attic... since I have been tidying up the plants, I have been getting a good look at all of the diff characteristics of all of my crosses... its cool to see the skinny sour bubble crosses mixed in with the bushy williams wonder x blueberry or FI... the sour bubble look weak because they grow single stalks straight up, and not many limbs, where as the wwXbb OR wwXfi have some thick stalks and many long limbs, almost pine tree shaped....
okok, on to work on the pictures... (man this is alot of work trying to show off to you guys!)
LONE WOLF
Best of luck on figuring out your water situation. I use a simple chlorine & sediment filter and have it hooked up to 1/2" tube (Small Boy). I haven't tried, but it seems like it would have no issue going up pretty high, maybe up into your attic to fill the buckets up there @ least.
well the plants got REALLLY big underneath that parabolic... I had 15 plants per black tub, and they were growing like crazy... in all i had about 120 plants underneath 1 -600w parabolic on a light mover... pretty damn good deal if you ask me! heres a shot of what they looked like... a few of the other tubs/plants had been moved up to the attic before this pic was snapped..
another shot with the light moved down a lil more to the right...
after I had cleared many of them up, this is what i was left with.. I am keeping these vegging for another week, then taking off some cuts... these are all primarily clones from the original Vertigo plants (fucking incredible x blackberry), Blueberry Skunk, Chronic, and some randoms: White Widow, lemon g cross (have yet to figure out who the father is to this plant yet), and hopefully I have some white label Pure Power Plants in the mix... I would have to say that a large majority of the mothers here are Vertigo.... oh yeah, whenever I refer to a plant as fucking incredible here, it is really called "Vertigo" which is Vancouver Island Seed Co's strain that they created from Fucking Incredible x Blackberry.
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more pics coming... yeah veg pics are no fun to look at... but im just loading them up for future reference!
LW
another shot with the light moved down a lil more to the right...
after I had cleared many of them up, this is what i was left with.. I am keeping these vegging for another week, then taking off some cuts... these are all primarily clones from the original Vertigo plants (fucking incredible x blackberry), Blueberry Skunk, Chronic, and some randoms: White Widow, lemon g cross (have yet to figure out who the father is to this plant yet), and hopefully I have some white label Pure Power Plants in the mix... I would have to say that a large majority of the mothers here are Vertigo.... oh yeah, whenever I refer to a plant as fucking incredible here, it is really called "Vertigo" which is Vancouver Island Seed Co's strain that they created from Fucking Incredible x Blackberry.
more pics coming... yeah veg pics are no fun to look at... but im just loading them up for future reference!
LW
I had to do this to ALLL of the plants in the attic... a lil bending on their 2nd day of flower will do them no harm... I have a feeling they are going to want to stretch and stretch and just give me a pain in my ass... I'm not worried though, I can handle anything thrown my way if you haven't figured that out yet... working with little head space sucks though- i feel for you micro growers..
all 4 of the trays in flower get their stems bent today... im sure by tomorrow they will all be back standing straight up... if that starts happening, im going to have to bust out the fishing line and start tying each and every one down (yeah i know they will most likely double their height, but that means ill be using A LOT of fishing line)...
Lone Wolf
all 4 of the trays in flower get their stems bent today... im sure by tomorrow they will all be back standing straight up... if that starts happening, im going to have to bust out the fishing line and start tying each and every one down (yeah i know they will most likely double their height, but that means ill be using A LOT of fishing line)...
Lone Wolf
Im really looking forward to what this baby picture below is going to produce... she is showing her sex really early, even before many of the others have, and she smells VERY delicious - She has a striking resemblance to the Williams Wonder father that I gathered pollen from... she is looking like a Williams Wonder x Blueberry Skunk... boy oh boy is that going to be one hell of a match up! This girl below has a very solid healthy structure, with some nice dark green leaves... when i squeeze her super thick stem (thicker stem then all but 1 of 120 or so plants), my fingers get sticky, and reeeek of beauty... im going to mother her and clone her up quite well because I know she is special..
Sour Bubble pheno, I can tell because of the single stalk and very short limbs.. most all of my back of sour bubble beans from BOG looked like this...
this one below I am not sure of - It appears to have some similarities to Chronic and Vertigo.. not quite too sure... one of my best ways of figuring out what my lil creations are going to turn into is by sniffing them... each of the parent plants had VERY distinct scents..
this one below I am not sure of - It appears to have some similarities to Chronic and Vertigo.. not quite too sure... one of my best ways of figuring out what my lil creations are going to turn into is by sniffing them... each of the parent plants had VERY distinct scents..
synchro.surfer
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Good show 
