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New Butane Extractor
- Thread starter Joe-T
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Found it to expensive for me
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desert fox
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I wanna see the OP's pics!
Sabudda
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I wanna see pics of the process. that thing looks way too complicated. i'll stick with my okief for now. bout to upgrade to the 150g one anyway.
reckon
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ok YOU look at this,...one single post,.....crappy "John's Hopkin's 'feature/benefit' opener, with a weak "companion tie in",.....yeah, I'm still not buyin YOUR schtick,....
but I'd buy one of those things, they look pretty fucking awesome.
so why the sales pitch?,...why not just come in on your VERY FIRST POST HERE, and try something like "what do you guys think of this"?, and let the coolness of THAT thing sell itself?
you are working way too hard, and shooting blanks.
desert fox
Member
Damn...and here I though we were going to see some pics of what kinda oil that thing makes.
Herbalista
Member
Nice unit though... a little "pricey" !Or is it??? Any one remember the "Isomizer" from the 70's? This unit "appears" to be light years ahead of that one.
smokincheeze
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^^^^I would still love to get a hold of one of those ISO2 extractors for a decent price, never used one but heard they work good.
Gee, funny how Joe posted virtually the same text on several websites but hasn't responded to many questions....
I'm fairly certain how this thing works, I built a system using the same concept but abandoned it as being too slow and went with a pumped system.
This thing has several major drawbacks, but I'll start with how It seems to function.
The tank at the top is the butane reservoir, the plant matter will go in the column like piece in the center and the oil is flushed into the bell shaped tank at the bottom.
The butane is recovered by removing the tank at the top after closing the valves and re-attaching it through a hose to the angled fitting on the bottom tank.
Recovery is achieved by Freezing the reservoir tank and heating the tank attached to the column. The butane will condense in the chilled tank.
Unless the chilled tank is cooled to at least -5 to -10 deg. Celcius there isn't going to be enough gas condensing in the chilled tank to make it worthwhile. It will take a considerable amount of time as well. I don't believe the 1 hour recovery time either.
The column/ recovery tank will need to be heated, either with hot water or a heating jacket. I saw electric heating jackets on the site a while ago.
If left at room temperature butane recovery would be minimal, it will need to be heated to push the vapor into the tank being chilled.
The other Major flaw is that the oil would have to be scraped out of the recovery tank unless you add alcohol to the tank before the recovery is started.
Notice how Joe mentioned adding alcohol like it was a bonus feature? It's necessary unless you want to scrape the oil out of the tank.
Then you have to boil off the alcohol. PITA.
You also would only be able to use N-butane since iso-butane condenses at a much lower temp. If you used lighter refills to charge this system you will have to chill it to around -20 to recover the butane.
Isobutane boils at -12, so you have to chill the recovery tank somewhat lower than that.
Without a pump in the system I can't see the recovery percentage being very good, maybe 75% or so and that would take some time.
The larger systems would take much longer to recover the butane, the website indicates overnight.
Without a valve to isolate the column with the plant matter in it and the recovery reservoir you are also essentially soaking the plant matter for the duration of the recovery process, there will be some unwanted compounds extracted due to this, not as bad as soaking the plant matter for an hour or more but certainly not desirable.
The column is joined to the lower recovery tank with a tapered flange connector, usually called a dairy flange or sanitary flange.
A split clamp joins the two, you can see the hinge at the front...
It will work, but again it's slow and you can only monitor pressure to judge when the recovery has completed. There's no indication how its progressing.
The quick connect couplers he's using are also prone to leakage, not good for flammable gas use.
C
I'm fairly certain how this thing works, I built a system using the same concept but abandoned it as being too slow and went with a pumped system.
This thing has several major drawbacks, but I'll start with how It seems to function.
The tank at the top is the butane reservoir, the plant matter will go in the column like piece in the center and the oil is flushed into the bell shaped tank at the bottom.
The butane is recovered by removing the tank at the top after closing the valves and re-attaching it through a hose to the angled fitting on the bottom tank.
Recovery is achieved by Freezing the reservoir tank and heating the tank attached to the column. The butane will condense in the chilled tank.
Unless the chilled tank is cooled to at least -5 to -10 deg. Celcius there isn't going to be enough gas condensing in the chilled tank to make it worthwhile. It will take a considerable amount of time as well. I don't believe the 1 hour recovery time either.
The column/ recovery tank will need to be heated, either with hot water or a heating jacket. I saw electric heating jackets on the site a while ago.
If left at room temperature butane recovery would be minimal, it will need to be heated to push the vapor into the tank being chilled.
The other Major flaw is that the oil would have to be scraped out of the recovery tank unless you add alcohol to the tank before the recovery is started.
Notice how Joe mentioned adding alcohol like it was a bonus feature? It's necessary unless you want to scrape the oil out of the tank.
Then you have to boil off the alcohol. PITA.
You also would only be able to use N-butane since iso-butane condenses at a much lower temp. If you used lighter refills to charge this system you will have to chill it to around -20 to recover the butane.
Isobutane boils at -12, so you have to chill the recovery tank somewhat lower than that.
Without a pump in the system I can't see the recovery percentage being very good, maybe 75% or so and that would take some time.
The larger systems would take much longer to recover the butane, the website indicates overnight.
Without a valve to isolate the column with the plant matter in it and the recovery reservoir you are also essentially soaking the plant matter for the duration of the recovery process, there will be some unwanted compounds extracted due to this, not as bad as soaking the plant matter for an hour or more but certainly not desirable.
The column is joined to the lower recovery tank with a tapered flange connector, usually called a dairy flange or sanitary flange.
A split clamp joins the two, you can see the hinge at the front...
It will work, but again it's slow and you can only monitor pressure to judge when the recovery has completed. There's no indication how its progressing.
The quick connect couplers he's using are also prone to leakage, not good for flammable gas use.
C
ganjherbsmoke
Member
hahahaha are you joking
that looks like the biggest waste of money time etc
looks like an okeef is a lot easier and worthwhile imo
i use the triple xtractor and can do runs of 112+ grams think im set on payin 500 plus to make oil lol
that looks like the biggest waste of money time etc
looks like an okeef is a lot easier and worthwhile imo
i use the triple xtractor and can do runs of 112+ grams think im set on payin 500 plus to make oil lol
G
good drown
awesome post!Gee, funny how Joe posted virtually the same text on several websites but hasn't responded to many questions....
I'm fairly certain how this thing works, I built a system using the same concept but abandoned it as being too slow and went with a pumped system.
This thing has several major drawbacks, but I'll start with how It seems to function.
The tank at the top is the butane reservoir, the plant matter will go in the column like piece in the center and the oil is flushed into the bell shaped tank at the bottom.
The butane is recovered by removing the tank at the top after closing the valves and re-attaching it through a hose to the angled fitting on the bottom tank.
Recovery is achieved by Freezing the reservoir tank and heating the tank attached to the column. The butane will condense in the chilled tank.
Unless the chilled tank is cooled to at least -5 to -10 deg. Celcius there isn't going to be enough gas condensing in the chilled tank to make it worthwhile. It will take a considerable amount of time as well. I don't believe the 1 hour recovery time either.
The column/ recovery tank will need to be heated, either with hot water or a heating jacket. I saw electric heating jackets on the site a while ago.
If left at room temperature butane recovery would be minimal, it will need to be heated to push the vapor into the tank being chilled.
The other Major flaw is that the oil would have to be scraped out of the recovery tank unless you add alcohol to the tank before the recovery is started.
Notice how Joe mentioned adding alcohol like it was a bonus feature? It's necessary unless you want to scrape the oil out of the tank.
Then you have to boil off the alcohol. PITA.
You also would only be able to use N-butane since iso-butane condenses at a much lower temp. If you used lighter refills to charge this system you will have to chill it to around -20 to recover the butane.
Isobutane boils at -12, so you have to chill the recovery tank somewhat lower than that.
Without a pump in the system I can't see the recovery percentage being very good, maybe 75% or so and that would take some time.
The larger systems would take much longer to recover the butane, the website indicates overnight.
Without a valve to isolate the column with the plant matter in it and the recovery reservoir you are also essentially soaking the plant matter for the duration of the recovery process, there will be some unwanted compounds extracted due to this, not as bad as soaking the plant matter for an hour or more but certainly not desirable.
The column is joined to the lower recovery tank with a tapered flange connector, usually called a dairy flange or sanitary flange.
A split clamp joins the two, you can see the hinge at the front...
It will work, but again it's slow and you can only monitor pressure to judge when the recovery has completed. There's no indication how its progressing.
The quick connect couplers he's using are also prone to leakage, not good for flammable gas use.
C
so how much does a unit with a pump cost?
im currently using the okeif Xlarge tube. i think the biggest pain is emptying and refilling the tube with green
Dopeboy668
Member
Saw the ad in high times today and got really excited over the design and there claims. Went to the site planning makin a purchase and about sh*t when I saw the price for the whole entire kit. They even want you to pay an extra $40 jus for them to tighten the valves and pressure check them to ensure "your extractor is ready to go out of the box when it arrives". Its like lmfao. Shouldnt that be assumed that this thing is quality. U want us to pay extra to ensure it doesnt leak.lol. Hope nobody gets conned into buyin one of these unless they have money to jus throw away. Much better priced products out there. Also dont forget you'lle be added to that list. Shakes head.lol
Rickys Bongs, I would love to see pictures of your pump based system. I only have seen actual pictures of my system, and one other built in Australia.
That thing is actually quite cool. They don't describe all of the details, but in general it is composed of what looks like high quality pressure vessels, valves, and connecting tubing. They have you run butane through some column type part, and then into a container. To reclaim the butane, you end up slightly heating the vessel with the butane/oil, and chilling the reclaiming vessel.
It should work great. I am quite scheptical about their claims of how quickly the butane transfers back to the reclamation vessel. I did this type of technique about 5 years ago, using dry ice to chill a condenser and a storage vessel, and while it worked well, it took quite a few hours. They dont go into all the details, so I cant fully consider their system. I may have used more butane than they are using in that small unit, and for their big unit they say it takes overnight. They would have you build your own big unit based on a license. If you really want a big unit, hold onto your hats, I'll post a pump free super cool fast method that Im working this these past few weeks that has advantages over their unit and my pump based honey pot thing. It might revolutionize this such that we will be able to do large amounts of trim (or bud of course) economically and conveniently finally.
This is the key picture in their system, it shows them reclaiming the butane. You have to use an ice bath, but that really is safer and simpler and Im sure slower than the condensing recovery pump that I use.
This is a picture of my experiments with cyrogenic reclamation, and it does work well but a bit slow. I might have pursued it more if I had used regular water ice, if it had worked, but I thought dry ice too much hassle to get and deal with.
That thing is actually quite cool. They don't describe all of the details, but in general it is composed of what looks like high quality pressure vessels, valves, and connecting tubing. They have you run butane through some column type part, and then into a container. To reclaim the butane, you end up slightly heating the vessel with the butane/oil, and chilling the reclaiming vessel.
It should work great. I am quite scheptical about their claims of how quickly the butane transfers back to the reclamation vessel. I did this type of technique about 5 years ago, using dry ice to chill a condenser and a storage vessel, and while it worked well, it took quite a few hours. They dont go into all the details, so I cant fully consider their system. I may have used more butane than they are using in that small unit, and for their big unit they say it takes overnight. They would have you build your own big unit based on a license. If you really want a big unit, hold onto your hats, I'll post a pump free super cool fast method that Im working this these past few weeks that has advantages over their unit and my pump based honey pot thing. It might revolutionize this such that we will be able to do large amounts of trim (or bud of course) economically and conveniently finally.
This is the key picture in their system, it shows them reclaiming the butane. You have to use an ice bath, but that really is safer and simpler and Im sure slower than the condensing recovery pump that I use.
This is a picture of my experiments with cyrogenic reclamation, and it does work well but a bit slow. I might have pursued it more if I had used regular water ice, if it had worked, but I thought dry ice too much hassle to get and deal with.
can't wait to hear more on this new system your working on foaf.
