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Homesteading

NiteTiger

Tiger, Tiger, burning bright...
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Well, I looked at this, and decided not to fool myself. There are some comforts of modern life that I take for granted, and do not want to give up. But, there are compromises.

My plan is to have a home built largely underground in a hill, to help control temperatures without power, and protect from most of nature's furies. Using this terrain to my advantage, I'm going to deploy wind turbines, passive hydro turbines, and solar panels.

Coupled with high efficiency lighting, and low power appliances, my electricity needs should more than be met. This will also be with a diesel generator on standby.

The vehicles on the property will be flex fuel, diesel or electric.

The crops I would run would be corn, soy, cannabis (natch :D), some wheat, potatoes, and various veggies for the table, of course. The corn provides valuable meal, flour, and vegetable. It can of course also be fermented, resulting in alcohol to power both me and my flex fuel cars.

Soy obviously provides food, feedstock, and again, oil, which can be refined into bio-diesel.

Wheat produces flour and whole grains, while again, providing a raw feedstock.

Potatoes, again, raw food, and another great source of ethanol production.

Cannabis, well, we all know how useful this plant is. Medicine, fiber, food, and, again, fuel.

This will allow me to maintain the modern standard of living I expect, plus allow me to work the land more efficiently. Tractors, trucks, mini-logsplitters, all still operational. Running hot and cold water, lights, climate control, refrigeration, all chugging along.

I've even found diesel and flex fuel aircraft engines for the STOL and VTOL aircraft I want :joint:

I'll be dealing with household solid waste through composting, eliminating blackwater as well. Gray water will be dealt with through an artificial wetland, which will support a catfish pond, and provide access to waterfowl.

As far as animals, I plan on limiting those. I have no interest in raising cattle for meat, for example. I may let some run around wild and go hunt them or something, but I'm not using valuable food, land, and water resources to sustain them. Pigs too.

I will have some goats and chickens, and possibly a dairy cow or two. Something that can be sustained on the by products of the agriculture.

The majority of my meat will come from Catfish, Goat, and Chicken. Obviously, there will be some hunting.

Water obviously comes from the spring/creek.

I figure this gives my family the best fighting chance. We could potentially maintain our quality of life for years, with as little impact on our environment as possible.

I have given it a little thought :D
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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That puts everything in a realistic, sobering perspective. There are billions of people around the world that have to live this way instead of making a simple of choice.

There are other elements to take into account also from my observations of living in what you might consider the 3rd World.....The exposure people have to insects and wild/poisonous animals.......the heat/dust and dirt......Poor natal care for women before birth and after birth and no contraception........Just a small cut can lead to the death of a child or adult from septicemia .......Then there is always diseases that are rampant in tropical areas particularly.....dengue, malaria, cholera and a host of other water born and airborne pathogen's abound.....and the ability to prevent them or treat them is usually based upon if or how much money you have to afford it.....

Malnutrition is always a worry amongst those that either don't have the knowledge or foods to feed themselves properly......and usually children have to work and work hard to help keep the family unit together.....so even if they do have access to cheap or free education many have to stay home and work so that everybody gets fed.....

It is possible to survive in a self sufficient way if you own good land and can grow whilst having the luxury of an education and medical care/knowledge and apply this.......but it would still be a hard (and possible rewarding) life.....where you would most probably have to find a way to make money to be able to buy some products that you would need at times.....that you could not provide yourself.....

Naturally you would be dependent upon the weather to a greater or lessor extent......just one bad season could have you poverty stricken....
 
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s13sr20det

admit nothing, deny everything, and demand proof.
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i recently read this book, and think it is very good.
i'd love to get some land out in the country and start a homestead

the+self+sufficient+life+and+how+to+live+it+by+john+seymour.jpg
 

Guiness

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I live around people out here in the far-east that do live without electricity, cell-phones, internet, municipal water.....they get their food from working the land and fishing the sea.....their light is from the sun in the day, and maybe a candle at night...They build houses from bamboo, coco-lumber and matted coconut fronds for a roof.....

They farm with the use of water buffaloes and raise their families in this very natural environment......it's a very hard life where life expectancy is no where near as good as it is in the west primarily because if and when someone needs good medical attention it is not affordable or free......For a man and woman to support a family well they will have to find a way to earn money to be able to get the medicine they might need when someone gets sick......


And everyone of them wish they had a 9-5 in some US city and a mortgage
 
And everyone of them wish they had a 9-5 in some US city and a mortgage

So is the problem the system...or the people?

They wish they had more, we wish we had less...there are those that have everything, and still want more (common)...those that have everything, and yet desire none and give it all away (rare).

Seems like if there is a big problem on this planet, humanity is always in the middle of it. TIme capsule rant for future readers: "did the gulf of mexico magically spawn a rupturing oil pimple on it surface...no...BP (bozo people) did it."

FWIW, i too am planning/striving/yearning for a minimal impact lifestyle, in harmony with the earth, and without "membership" to the corporate or military/industrial complex. I have succeeded in getting out alive (almost didnt make it) and now ruminate 24hours a day as to how to make it sustainable (and cannabis isnt ALWAYS the answer here unfortunately!).

Interesting thread. Thanks Maria.
 

Guiness

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Don't get me wrong, I wanted to live on an Island off the coast of Nicaragua for years. I learned to speak Spanish a bit, looked at prices, joined a Nicaraguan expatriate web site, you name it.

Yes it can be done, but you have to be willing to make huge sacrifices. You have no idea what kind of things you will have to give up to do it.

Those that have the best luck doing this start off just camping in these places for extended periods until they get used to it. Many failures.
 

olddaffy

Member
I thought I wanted to homestead,
I lived in the woods of the deep south for over 3 years but the deeper I got into homesteading the more I found my self unwilling to sacrifice my modern comforts.
I am back in the city now.
I wouldn't discourage anyone from giving it a try though; I'm glad I did, just be aware you may not like it.

I find the idea of communal living more appealing these days but have no intention of trying it anytime soon.
 
This is what I pictured for myself.

If I am single, then I would want to purchase land first, and build my own home. Since it will be just me, I will not need alot of square footage for my home. In the front yard, I will install and xeriscape native, drought resistance plants instead of a lawn which can be expensive to maintain. In addition, a root catchment system will be installed to harvest as much rainwater as I can. In the short term, I know this will be expensive, but in the long term I think it will be worth it. The same thing with solar paneling on my roof, which I know will be expensive. The main reason for me wanting solar paneling is o I am using it as my promary method of power for gardening. I figure using more of my own power and less of state own power utilities is better correct? Maybe even add an external generator. Since I am a agriculture major, fruits and vegetables won't be a problem. There are dwarf varities of apples and blueberries that can be grown in greenhouses. There are also sorts of plants taht produce sweet tasting fruit, depending on which zone you live in. Feijoa sellowiana, commonly known as pineapple guava, is my favorite.
 
{QUOTE/}The main reason for me wanting solar paneling is o I am using it as my promary method of power for gardening. I figure using more of my own power and less of state own power utilities is better correct? Maybe even add an external generator.[/QUOTE]

Why you folks are obsessed with living in desert areas is beyond me. The Colorado River rarely makes it to the sea anymore, but you all drink that brine, and irrigate crops with it. Most aquifers are running on empty. Summertime temperatures hit 100++, air conditioning costs, can't go out in the daytime, etc. Growing anything without massive gov't subsidized irrigation isn't possible, and the guys that have it aren't going to let you have any of it. Live somewhere temperate where water is abundant and shade trees can grow.
Seriously, if I was just getting out of college and wanted a nice country life there are a lot of factors I'd try to list and find an affordable area with the features that mattered to me.
 
Why you folks are obsessed with living in desert areas is beyond me. The Colorado River rarely makes it to the sea anymore, but you all drink that brine, and irrigate crops with it. Most aquifers are running on empty. Summertime temperatures hit 100++, air conditioning costs, can't go out in the daytime, etc. Growing anything without massive gov't subsidized irrigation isn't possible, and the guys that have it aren't going to let you have any of it. Live somewhere temperate where water is abundant and shade trees can grow.
Seriously, if I was just getting out of college and wanted a nice country life there are a lot of factors I'd try to list and find an affordable area with the features that mattered to me.


:) I don't live in the desert, but I am in a climate that receives lots of sunshine (no not the sunshine state) and a good, average amount of rain, be. I have a couple of friends specifically majoring in Enviromental Law to cash in on the ongoing water wars between various states (Georgia vs Florida and Tenneessee, Maryland vs Pennsylvania vs Virginia vs Delaware, California's aquaducts running low on water) and the future ones that will erupt very soon.

I saw this article in the NY Times. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...r-as-the-wealthy-buy-adjacent-properties.html

The gist of it is that wealthy people were buying adjacent properties to create their own compounds. I do not predict I will ever be that wealthy. But the idea of buying land in an affordable area and then building a small house in the middle surrounded by native trees or native ornamentals with nasty thorns seemed like a possible good idea.
 
Someone sent me a link to this article and I wanted to pass it along to everyone else. There is an article on This Old House's website called Free Land: How to Be a Modern Homesteader. http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,20444648,00.html

The article itself features 10, maybe 11, different small towns and farming communities that are "giving" away free land to people in hopes of revitilizing their towns because of decreasing populations. Each town as its own legal requirements as far as property taxes, in what time frame you have to build your house, etc.

It's tough being a small town in America these days. As many residents of old agricultural or manufacturing towns have fled to places with better job opportunities, their streets and storefronts are increasingly empty as populations of thousands dwindle down to mere hundreds.

But don't count them out yet. From coast to coast, a new movement, informally dubbed the "mini homesteading act" aims to capture and retain new residents by doing the unthinkable: Giving away land. For Free!

The hope is that land-grabbers nationwide will flock to these places to build houses, start families, and—ultimately—open businesses. Start clicking to see 10 towns where the living is easy—and the land is free!
 

Applesauce

Member
Not sure if I'd do this personally. Some type of hybrid system, of course. I'd much prefer the modern luxuries on a nice piece of open land, with my pot. Some horses, dogs, and OPEN LAND.
 

supermanlives

Active member
Veteran
living off the grid is overrated and alot of work. i did it as a kid in maine for a while. boy was i glad to get back to civilization. 90 percent of people couldnt do it. i did get to taste just about every animal tho.
 

hunt4genetics

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My goal is to be off the grid one day. That will take money which has not appeared as of yet. I do not panic. Sometimes the big picture can freak one out. Relax. I just take it one crop at a time. I am free of store purchased tomatoes and peppers. I plan on growing every crop that I currently purchase from the super market. One by one I will check them off. As money is saved the solar panels and grey water systems will come.

baby steps.
 
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