What can i do with 13x14x8 garage legal grow project

[dtfsux]

Hope I don't come back with a "I told you so" look and all goes well. As a first time grower, you should be more focused on nutrients, environment, etc. Just keep an eye on it daily. If you go in and do maintenance like changing nutes and you un plug anything, go back an hour later and make sure everything is fine. I am going to say you have a 12 hour window for errors. Since the roots are hanging in the air, they have nothing to keep them moist, and will dry out quickly, especially when the lights are on

I noticed a density/yield issue when running 600's instead of 1000's. Different locations, but same strain, nutes, systems, etc.

I have not kept up on Picos thread regarding reflectors, but I would imagine the magnum is better suited for 1000's. Just an opinion, since I have not read alot on it. I tested a SS2 versus a Radiant 6 and the radiant won hands down.

Air cooling, I mean cooling the light. The reason you have to keep the bulb away from the plants is due to the heat. But if you pass enough air through the hood, the hood will stay cool. Heat was never an issue for me, I could put my hand on the hood, the glass etc and leave it until I got tired, no heat. That was with 1000's and 600's. Get a good fan, and move alot of air through the hood to keep it cool.

How many lights are you getting and how many aero systems are you getting? One system and one light, I think you should get a 1000, the trays are 42" long and with bushy plants over hanging the table, thats about 4 feet. the trays are 8" and after you space them out, thats close to 4 feet as well.


I don't know if you can actually clone in them, but that is no big deal. Actually you DON'T want to clone in it. That is a waste of time. Clone in rockwool, coco plugs, whatever. Once rooted, you can veg and flower until harvest in that system.

 

[gus738]

thanks yeah i will keep in eye on it

i plan on having 2 sets of aerojet 4 trays (one for veg one for flower) as far as lights i think im leaning towards 1 mh for veg (expand to 2 1k's ) and for flower want 2 1'ks does this sound like a good start up ?

i was told theirs 3.75 distance between each net pot

and that they are 6 4" inch holes net pots

or 4 5" net pots.

so 3-4 ft at harvest?

 

[dtfsux]

I think 1000 over each aerojet would be a good option. Are you going to veg elsewhere or in the aerojet? If vegging in the aerojet, you can just use the HPS and veg under them.

I would put all the plants in one system and veg under one light, then when going to flower, spread them out in both systems. I do not think you can grow bushy plants AND fill every spot in the aerojet, Especially if you have plant #'s to consider

3-4 foot sounds right depending if you scrog, LST, etc

 

[gus738]

i'm going to keep it simple no lst no scrog i dont want to do anything that far not for the first try, unless its second nature and nothing to it then maybe.

so 1 1k for veg say mh and 1 1k for flower or 2 hps for flower and 1 for veg.

and as i said it before the plan is to grow the entire cycle from veg to harvest on the aerojet.
i dont think by transplanting from aeroponics during veg would be better then finishing it with aeroponics or do you think it benefits from transplanting at certain time.?

 

[dtfsux]

Veg uses less space and less light (less # of lights, not wattage). When you start vegging, you will have small clones that do not take up alot of space, that need to grow. By placing all of them in one system, you use one light, and save time and money on nutes, res maint.

When you go to flower, they will double or triple in size after you switch to 12/12. That's when you would put half in the other system and spread them out. The plants shouldn't have any transplant shock.

You could veg everything in both systems and never move a plant. Combining just saves a little wear and tear on equipment, bulbs, nutes etc.


You could get a switchable ballast that runs MH and HPS, and switch from veg to harvest

 

[Emperor Herer]

Hey buddy

Im still keeping up with you, Your getting lots of input, so I am sitting back.

I do wonder if you have 'made a list' or did up a diagram. Not that YOU need one, I just visualize better when I see things.

You said you have the circuit breakers in the garage with you... look and see if there is spare 220. ( wait, do we even know if your in teh US?!) You could run your lights dedicated off the 220, just for better efficiency, and all your pumps and fans off the 120...

Keep looking into it. Failure to plan is planning to fail!

peace



... just dont ask me what the 240/120 looks like! We may need a 'lectrition!

 

[gus738]

so i would stick a few plants in one net pot since they are small? im concern their roots will merge together. sometime soon i will have 2 units 1 is for veg and 1 for flower to benefit from 2 different rooms.

Veg uses less space and less light (less # of lights, not wattage). When you start vegging, you will have small clones that do not take up alot of space, that need to grow. By placing all of them in one system, you use one light, and save time and money on nutes, res maint.

When you go to flower, they will double or triple in size after you switch to 12/12. That's when you would put half in the other system and spread them out. The plants shouldn't have any transplant shock

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You could veg everything in both systems and never move a plant. Combining just saves a little wear and tear on equipment, bulbs, nutes etc.
You could get a switchable ballast that runs MH and HPS, and switch from veg to harvest

thanks i just like input from many people theirs over 600 views on my page,
no i have not made a list just research part by part. a diagram of the room? i already did the 2x4 in process of putting quiet zone , drywall

yeah all the electrical stuff is in my garage, this house has a 120 i believe and im in California

Im still keeping up with you, Your getting lots of input, so I am sitting back.

I do wonder if you have 'made a list' or did up a diagram. Not that YOU need one, I just visualize better when I see things.

You said you have the circuit breakers in the garage with you... look and see if there is spare 220. ( wait, do we even know if your in teh US?!) You could run your lights dedicated off the 220, just for better efficiency, and all your pumps and fans off the 120...

Keep looking into it. Failure to plan is planning to fail! peace ... just dont ask me what the 240/120 looks like! We may need a 'lectrition!

 

[gus738]

UPDATE: ready for electrical! murray circuit

UPDATE: ready for electrical! murray circuit

hey so im ready for electrical was told need to decide the amount outlets, the placement locations outlets.

i have a murray circuit breaker system, i also have a empty slot for a breaker

problem is i dont know how much amp should the breakers be. the outlets i can get them in 20 amp as well instead of 15.

was told to do a 12/2 so thats a 12 guage with 2 wire. can i get feedback from those knowledgeable electrical folks here or should i make a new thread?

i need this ? http://www.amazon.com/Murray-Circuit-Breaker-AMP-Pole/dp/B000BQ8EA6

 

[dtfsux]

Have you decided on how many lights total you want for veg and flower?

You can create more spaces by adding one of these
http://www.amazon.com/Murray-Breaker-Single-Poles-AMPS/dp/B000BPEORO/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_text_b

It seems like your murray panel is using siemens breakers which I THINK you can get from home depot or are interchangeable with GE. I THINK, DONT QUOTE ME. Hate to get a spanking from some of the sparkies

IMO you need to design first

How many lights total?
Will you run at 240 or 120 (240 helps with loads but does not save on electric bill FYI) With just a couple lights, this may not be a big issue.
What else?
Pumps?
Fans?
A/C?

Do you have outlets nearby that you can use easily?

I have setup up 3 ops. 2 had sub panels, One I used the existing panel, and used slimline breakers to create more space. I prefer to have all my grow equipment on separate circuits from the house

 

[gus738]

electrical : time sensitive cant progress w/o electrical in place

electrical : time sensitive cant progress w/o electrical in place

i want to be able to run stuff in the future without breaking the room again, with that said
atleast for veg i want to be able to handle (2) 1'ks for veg, in a different case i would also want it to be able to handle (4) 600w in case the 1k's dont work out for me.

for flower i need it to handle atleast (4) 600w up to (3) 1k's or is 2 enough?
as you can see i will need fans and possibly portable ac/window ac?.
the pumps would be the ones provided in the aerojet 4 tray aeroponic system

what other pumps would i need to run other then those?

will run 120. thats all it has currently and i was told if i upgrade the electric company might come, which is unnecessary.

i'm buying 20 amp outlets at homedepot HOW many do i need?

im also buying the wire.

maybe 12/2 so thats a 12 gauge and two wires

all the electrical is in the garage. would taking pics help?

i too want to keep my grow eqiup in a own circuit apart from the rest of home

 

[dtfsux]

will run 120. thats all it has currently and i was told if i upgrade the electric company might come, which is unnecessary.

That comment has me thinking the electrical portion of this is way over your head.

Your panel has 120/240 already. SOMETHING in your house runs on 240, stove,oven,dryer, water heater, AC/HEAT. Look for a breaker that is two breakers wide

The electric coming in your house is 240 volts and consists of two legs. each leg is 120. When you use a double pole breaker, you get both legs.

Man I can not explain this in one post.

I HIGHLY suggest you read the electrical sticky up top and get a DIY book at home depot. Every grower should understand electricity. It is not that hard and SO important

I also think you are WAY overkill on the veg lighting. You only need about 30-50% of your flowering lighting for veg



I will tell you this. No MATTER HOW YOU WIRE OR RUN your lights, the bill will be the same. THERE IS NO NEED for the electric company to come out and DO ANYTHING.

Running at 240 will cut your amps in half, allowing you to put more lights on a circuit.

Off the top of my head:

1 DP 20amp with 12/2 wired to an intermatic style timer for veg
1 DP 30 AMp with 10/2 for flower to an intermatic style timer for flower. Gives you room to upgrade

Whatever the circuit is, count on only 80%. For example a 30 amp circuit is only good for 24 amps. You can only use a circuit at 80% when the load is on for 3+ hours


I would (and have in the past) buy a bunch of those slim line breakers, and make room for 5 breakers. 2 DP (takes 2 spots) for 240, and one 20amp for the pumps, fans etc. Oh and you need one or two for the AC depending on size of AC


Oh and for the love of god, make sure all the power is off when you do any of this !!!!!!!

 

[gus738]

how much power and amps should i tell the electrician?

how much power and amps should i tell the electrician?

i understand a bit better about electricity lately but still confused on some things, im aware the house has a 240 like for a dryer or major appliance so maybe i was explained wrong so disregard that. is this the link you saying https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=117867

so this means i can have a 12 gauge and also a 10 gauge as well?

what you mean by "intermatic style timer"

and to run a 240 is it only a matter of getting a 240 wire and a outlet and a breaker meant for 240?

1 DP 20amp with 12/2 wired to an intermatic style timer for veg
1 DP 30 AMp with 10/2 for flower to an intermatic style timer for flower. Gives you room to upgrade

well my cousin that helping me with the project says his friend is an electrician.

my cousin asked me how much power and amps am i going to use.
as far as watts im shooting for minimum 5k watts to a max of 10k watts. does this sound about right?

as far as amps how much do high end ballast like the galaxy 600's and the 1'ks

as those are my choices for ballast. as far as fans and other stuff i dont know the amps.

question still remains

how much watts do i need? and how much amps.

giving my self some cushion space for future upgrades

how can i upload my pics? they are over 5 mega pixel.

 

[dtfsux]

Slow the FUCK DOWN GUS

5k to 10k watts?

Are we still trying to get a few ounces, or are we now trying to go commercial?

A 400w for a couple moms
a T5 for vegging,
a fluro for clones
a 1000 for flower.

That will get you a pound every 8 weeks

10K watts will get you around 15 pounds every 8 weeks.


OHMS law

Volts X current = wattage

wattage/volts= current

so 1000/240=????

I'll come back later when I have some more time

 

[gus738]

first of all let me say Thanks man for taking your time, how do upload detailed pics? (tinypic resize too much) where everyone almost 900 views.

Remember i was laid off due to no more work, so the more bud i get the better, i could be a caregiver. or sell to legal dispensaries rather have more then less

well 600w x (4) = 2,400w x2= 4,800 watts and thats just the lamps watts, the ballast waste more power, fans > ac so thats why i said minimal 5k watts and max 10k watts why 10K? say in the future i want to do instead of 600w i do with 1k's x 4 = 4k in one room alone (flower) plus 2,400w (remember those 600'ers)

so thats why i want to make sure power is right, dont want to deal with flors/cfl t5/8 .

Also what about the ohms law ? volt is 110 isnt it? i dont think i will do a 240.
am i typing too much in one post? i feel like maybe its easier to get my questions answered like i think if i do multiple post?

i asked if its a simple matter to get 240 vs a 120 (i know it has a 240 for dryer etc) but i mean a separated 240 with a wire then circuit breaker
also im not going to start right away with all this, i will gradually add stuff but this is what i have in mind. also whats that saying "im not here to play im here to do this job seriously "

what would you say in watts what would i need if i want to deal only with 600w and up.

 

[gus738]

updates : pics

updates : pics

here are some pics
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[justintime420]

is the heat a big issue for your area?

 

[gus738]

im in Bay area in ca. weather so what is considered bad? and nothing a ac cant handle right? or if its warm / hot enough i could benefit from co2 right?

so those pics make sense guys?

 

[dtfsux]

so thats why i want to make sure power is right, dont want to deal with flors/cfl t5/8 .

Also what about the ohms law ? volt is 110 isnt it? i dont think i will do a 240.
am i typing too much in one post? i feel like maybe its easier to get my questions answered like i think if i do multiple post?

i asked if its a simple matter to get 240 vs a 120 (i know it has a 240 for dryer etc) but i mean a separated 240 with a wire then circuit breaker
"

what would you say in watts what would i need if i want to deal only with 600w and up.

Gus, my SMALLEST op was 10k watts, and my largest was almost 40k watts, and I still used fluros and T5's. So don't write those off


I don't know what to tell you about the electric. Not to be rude, but you obviously have no clue.

You asked me how many amps a 1000 watt ballast pulls. I gave you the formula. Ohms law is volts x amps = watts. anyone who took middle school math should know how to work the formula. VxA=W is the same thing as W/V=A. So a 1000/120= 8.3 amps. run the same ballast at 240 and you get 4.15 amps.

Romex is rated to 600V so voltage is not an issue. Wire is rated to the amount of current it can handle. #12 is rated at 20 amps.

So for example:

2 1000 ballasts at 120 thats 16.6 amps
4 1000 ballasts at 240 thats 16.6 amps

So you can put more stuff on the same circuit.

i asked if its a simple matter to get 240 vs a 120 (i know it has a 240 for dryer etc) but i mean a separated 240 with a wire then circuit breaker
"

what would you say in watts what would i need if i want to deal only with 600w and up

You are so lost arent you?

I do not think I can help anymore.

You have gone from a small setup to basically a commercial op, and you have no clue on how electric works.

Why do you insist on not using 240? With that much power, you are being retarded for not running 240.

You need to add a subpanel IMO for what you want. That means freeing up one more breaker spot and adding a DP breaker and running that to a new panel.

And it looks like you have no grounds. That may be an issue.

HIRE AN ELECTRICIAN !!!!

 

[Balarama67]

I've just skim-read but didn't see anything on security -
with that kind of setup, I'd be keen to keep it mine...esp if it's in a garage

 

[gus738]

I am hiring an electrician

I am hiring an electrician

dtfsux hey im not writing them off im just saying i wont be relaying primarily but rather supplemental.

i did some more reading. plus your info has severed me well. based on what i gather at some point i will be using 50 amp just in lighting and ballast in both rooms if i were to do 120.

however if 240 is only a matter buying a circuit that is 240 and a 240 wire then thats cake.

and that subpanel is good isnt it? or does it need to be traced to see where its sharing the breaker? or how does it work ( i dont know alot ok)

also the ballast being powered bulb doesnt it draw more then 1k ? would i need to test individually to find out?

also this is a number between low to high estimates it can be less just getting rough number ideal for future

what do you have in mind? and only very very select know about this all are very very close to me. but yes always got to consider security

I've just skim-read but didn't see anything on security -
with that kind of setup, I'd be keen to keep it mine...esp if it's in a garage