Cloning with JJScorpio

[High Country]

Thank you High Country. Truth is every clone thread I've read skips steps and have me wondering what to do. Yours did not.

I have a similar greenhouse and my clones produce roots like you show, but I never knew to go into those hiko trays next to let them develop longer roots etc before planting. Never seen that step before in cloning threads so thank you very much.

I've been doing something similar- I get the roots going in the greenhouse like you then throw them in a plastic cup for it's first planter, but I'm going to invest in a hiko tray and some coco/perlite.

I didn't put Jiffy pallets into Hiko trays. It's just a different way of cloning.

 

[Sparky 6]

I didn't put Jiffy pallets into Hiko trays. It's just a different way of cloning.

Ah well I think I'm going to do it that way. It makes as much sense as using plastic cups and develops the roots better. As you've seen the roots can't get too long using the pellets but they can get very long using the Hiko trays. Now I haven't had any problems yet with those short roots but just to be sure I'm going to let them grow longer in the Hiko trays and 86 the plastic cups.

 

[High Country]

I also never do PH checks either on clones or res in ebb/flow SOG. I only check EC levels. No problems yet.

 

[Sparky 6]

I read where one grower said clones prefer high Ph , and another that said the opposite. Maybe clones are just tolerant of differing Ph levels?

 

[High Country]

I read where one grower said clones prefer high Ph , and another that said the opposite. Maybe clones are just tolerant of differing Ph levels?

Native plants in the bush don't worry about PH and I'm not going to either.

My local water supply is 5.8 PH according to the supplier, so that's alright.

But I appreciate that high or low levels can reduce nutrient uptake and cause lock out.

 

[Matanuskan Flo]

is it possible to clone a branch that only has a fan leaf at the end?? or must the branch be cut that has a top or soon to be cola??? i am asking aroudn the forum with no luck yet. i have a plant in early flower, i do not want to cut a budding branch, nor do i want to re-veg or top the plant & try to clone the flowering top. i only have this one specimen, its amazing & I really am dying to perpetuate it somehow. i do not know what to do. she is under 24/0 light & has been in stasis essentially. no new shoots yet, just short off shoots with calyxii & pistils. any suggestions would reeeeeallly help. thanks everyone. this is stressing me out greatly.

 

[Slick.E.Boy]

is it important to match the timing of the mother? If both will be on 18/6 but the goal is to grow outdoors should you match the mother's time (which is lights on around 11pm) or try to match natural light? tia.

 

[Geoffrey Boycot]

Whats my problem here...

I'm using a heat mat and 2x23W cfl's over a dome. My roots pop out after 7-14 days looking like wire toilet brushes....thick and hairy, 4-6 in number. And then after another 12-36 hours they seem to recede into tiny brown 'copper wires' flat against the side of the rapid rooter.

Is this more likely to be excess moisture or too much heat/too cold? The heat mat is on 24hrs and theyre on 20 hours of light. I give them some water when they look dry...but they have usually gone brown by that point...and if i give water to white ones they soon go brown too.

Ive taken to just planting them once they pop because the idea of getting 1inch roots seems unrealistic at this stage.

Ive just cleaned my tray and dome with h202 tonight as well....hadnt done it in ages...wiped off some lovely pink slime from the dome.

 

[High Country]

Whats my problem here...

I'm using a heat mat and 2x23W cfl's over a dome. My roots pop out after 7-14 days looking like wire toilet brushes....thick and hairy, 4-6 in number. And then after another 12-36 hours they seem to recede into tiny brown 'copper wires' flat against the side of the rapid rooter.

Is this more likely to be excess moisture or too much heat/too cold? The heat mat is on 24hrs and theyre on 20 hours of light. I give them some water when they look dry...but they have usually gone brown by that point...and if i give water to white ones they soon go brown too.

Ive taken to just planting them once they pop because the idea of getting 1inch roots seems unrealistic at this stage.

Ive just cleaned my tray and dome with h202 tonight as well....hadnt done it in ages...wiped off some lovely pink slime from the dome.

The roots are going into the air and aerial pruning is occurring. If the pellet is put into a grow medium this would not occur.

 

[Geoffrey Boycot]

The roots are going into the air and aerial pruning is occurring. If the pellet is put into a grow medium this would not occur.

thanks HC. so you think i should allow this air pruning to occur in order to enourage more roots to grow inside the rr or should i get them into soil asap?

I always read to allow them to keep growing to 1-2inches if possible...and some of the pcs ive seen of clones in rr's have 10-20 thick chunks coming out of them. I'd like t have some of that going on if possible.

 

[High Country]

thanks HC. so you think i should allow this air pruning to occur in order to enourage more roots to grow inside the rr or should i get them into soil asap?

I always read to allow them to keep growing to 1-2inches if possible...and some of the pcs ive seen of clones in rr's have 10-20 thick chunks coming out of them. I'd like t have some of that going on if possible.

I would put them in whatever grow medium you are using but aerial pruning will not hurt them for a couple of weeks. Geoffrey Boycot was a very boring batsmen and commentator, maybe he smokes the weed now.

 

[Sparky 6]

thanks HC. so you think i should allow this air pruning to occur in order to enourage more roots to grow inside the rr or should i get them into soil asap?

I always read to allow them to keep growing to 1-2inches if possible...and some of the pcs ive seen of clones in rr's have 10-20 thick chunks coming out of them. I'd like t have some of that going on if possible.

High Country is right. You can get small little disposable plastic planters not much larger than the spaces in the trays he shows a little earlier in the thread- those little planters are where you can let the roots grow really long like you were describing.

 

[BIG JT]

New to Hydro and trying to get things off the ground, but I'm having problems getting my clones to root in a 45 site Botanicare power cloner. I have well water that has a PH of 7.4 and the first time around I added the 45ml per gallon of PowerCloner solution without checking the PH and found it still at 7.4 a few days later. I started over but I didn't have any PH up or down so I went to the pet store and got some ph down for aquariums. It's been a couple days and it seems like the PH keeps creeping back up, is this normal? Is it okay to use the PH up for fish tanks(until I can get to the store). Also, these will be going into a 32 site Botanicare Aero Table 4X8 that I'd like to put straight into flower. How should I transition my nutrients from power cloner to aero table. I already bought a 3 part system from Cutting Edge Solutions because I heard its pretty much interchangable with the 3 part GH. Any suggestions for someone who's new to aeroponics/hyrdoponics with regards to how to feed and where your EC and PH should be? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks

 

[Geoffrey Boycot]

I wish i'd used Gordon Greenidge now.

 

[Geoffrey Boycot]

High Country is right. You can get small little disposable plastic planters not much larger than the spaces in the trays he shows a little earlier in the thread- those little planters are where you can let the roots grow really long like you were describing.

i was having real problems using egg cartons as holders as a DIY option until last month when i got a plastic tray with 24 slots and things got a lot better - fast. The trays they are in though are a little too large for the rapid rooter, i'd say i could fit 1.5 rapid rooters in each. you think i should get a tray that the rapid rooters fit into exactly?

I assume its the condensation around the plastic/high humidity at the edge of the rr that is helping?

 

[Geoffrey Boycot]

would i also be right in thinking that the perpetual nature of the cloning operation isnt helping?

ie clones aged between 1 day & 21 days need quite different conditions?

Maybe once they pop some roots @ 10-14 days move them into a domed area under the 4xT5 at 6 inches with no heat mat perhaps? for 7 days and then into some medium and no dome under T5. ?

thanks

 

[Sparky 6]

Yeah if you get a tray that fits the plugs then you won't have the aero pruning that's going on.

And yes after a while the clones need to be moved out of the dome which should help force roots. Try your suggestions and see what works best for you. I've been doing the same and I'm getting a feel for it like the feel you get for knowing when to water and other aspects of gardening. One thing I was doing wrong was I had my light too far away- now I keep it around 6 inches or so. Maybe it's me also but my clones can take a while longer to show roots than others here and sometimes I can get impatient.

Right now I have about 10 monster cropped clones and I dunno what I'm gonna do. A couple I'm going to try to flower to see if these strains are tolerant of this method and the rest I'm going to use for clones- either completely strip them or make them into mothers if they're stable.

 

[Sparky 6]

Here's some of those monster cropped clones.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Oh boy, you are going to be in for a surprise when they do flower. They go crazy and branch all over, and you'll end up with one huge bud form consisting of multiple colas intersecting. Ive seen this in a thread at another forum before, and its awesome looking.

 

[luciano28]

Just want to say thanks to JJ, I pretty much use your method, this thread got me cloning faster. I use to have lots of problems cloning and I would just go the water cloning route(just putting a branch in a glass of water) in the past which takes forever. This thread got me cloning, I get 100% success rate now too for the most part.

I use:

Rapid Rooters
Jiffy mini greenhouse(holds 12 RRs)
Schultz "Take Root" Rooting Hormone
Patience

Thanks man, this might be the most important thread on this site to me.