Actual-Cost Of Production

[Haps]

One does not need bacon to grow, so, no. EH, yes, I am scared, there are no outlaw freedom farmers at liberty that are not scared. Not, however, of you.

Mostly, I am just trying to figure out if you are friend or foe to our culture. I gave you a solid cost figure, if you were doing your homework, there is a pricing thread here where I discuss marketing, if you find that thread you will have an answer. There are grow threads with equipment lists you could price yourself to get specifics. And a good scavenger can actually find over half the stuff you need to run a decent grow.

Anything it costs to have a building, is cost, every fucking penny of it, why? Can you do the grow without it? And you have to plan costs for not a month, but for at least six, just to get going. Then when you think you have a budget figured, increase it by 50%, cause shit happens and it costs money to fix.

In the real world, legal products, in general, you pay 5X the cost of production at the store. As a marketer, if I can not do a 5X markup and sell it, it is not worth doing, there are too many costs, fees, and taxes along the way. Think I am wrong? Try to run a business for five years through good times and tough times, have ya noticed all the empty store fronts this year? You can do anything you want, but if you wish to serve others, you have to stay in business to do that.
H

 

[Emperor Herer]

you cant put a cost on safetey/security/freedom... REMEMBER THAT FOLKS ... even in so-called 'med states' you are not really safe from prosecution & raids - you may not end up getting jail time but they will still fuck with your shit and turn your world upside down!!!

there is no general consensus on what that (freedom!) factors into final production costs becasue everyone may have different values of what their freedoms are worth.

this is a lot like that thread the super squid geneticsgonemad started btw... hot topic for sure.
are you A-COP???

Yes, you are right Greyskull, there is no price to freedom... ask anybody who has lost it.

If, and I mean if, I were to grow big, as a cash cropper, my first expense would be Really Good Lawyers, on retainer.

AND factor THAT expense into my over-head... meaning Actual-Cost Of Production. Monthly, not down-payment, thats part of initial investment, start up costs.

My last apartment I had to pay first, last and deposit. That would have been my START-UP COSTS. My monthly rent would be ongoing expenses, part of the Actual-Cost Of Production.

I in now way condone growing in an apartment.

The point being, when I buy or lease a car, I look at two things: The Drive it Away price and the daily cost to drive: monthly payment, insurance, maintenance... hell, even speeding tickets...

not that I condone speeding tickets.

I can buy the car out right, 'start up costs' or Make a down payment, 'start up costs.

If I take a cab, Actual-Cost Of Production.


Any wild guess as to YOUR Actual-Cost Of Production?


Am I LEO? Leon, he's my brother...

 

[ezimbalistjr]

You seem to be looking for a certain answer, and you display animosity at the idea of a grower making a profit. Like we would not share knowledge, but of course that is what this world is about. What is your agenda?
H

Hello,

He has also displayed animosity toward bacon. This is unforgiveable. Many members here love bacon. A vote against bacon seems to be a vote against most of the members here. Also it seems to be a vote against having a sense of humour. I can forgive a lot of things, but voting against a sense of humour and bacon is senseless I think.

 

[Emperor Herer]

One does not need bacon to grow, so, no. EH, yes, I am scared, there are no outlaw freedom farmers at liberty that are not scared. Not, however, of you.

Mostly, I am just trying to figure out if you are friend or foe to our culture. I gave you a solid cost figure, if you were doing your homework, there is a pricing thread here where I discuss marketing, if you find that thread you will have an answer. There are grow threads with equipment lists you could price yourself to get specifics. And a good scavenger can actually find over half the stuff you need to run a decent grow.

Anything it costs to have a building, is cost, every fucking penny of it, why? Can you do the grow without it? And you have to plan costs for not a month, but for at least six, just to get going. Then when you think you have a budget figured, increase it by 50%, cause shit happens and it costs money to fix.

In the real world, legal products, in general, you pay 5X the cost of production at the store. As a marketer, if I can not do a 5X markup and sell it, it is not worth doing, there are too many costs, fees, and taxes along the way. Think I am wrong? Try to run a business for five years through good times and tough times, have ya noticed all the empty store fronts this year? You can do anything you want, but if you wish to serve others, you have to stay in business to do that.
H

Hi Hap... Yes, you did give me a figure, the only one so far, and I have used the figure as an example too!

Yes, the fear factor, and the Pucker factor...

" yes, I am scared, there are no outlaw freedom farmers at liberty that are not scared. Not, however, of you.

Mostly, I am just trying to figure out if you are friend or foe to our culture..."

There is nothing I can do or say to touch anybody out here in intent land.
My only gig with this is conversation... and, since it seams to be a bit chalanging to some, to chalange as well!

But no disrespect meant at all to any. I am a chronic thinker. Today is my day of thinking about how building a business, using Cannabis as we know it in Quasi Legal states could be presented as a sustainable business model.

Lets talk cars. How fast your want to go is directly related to how much money you have.

I can have a cheep ford or a cheep Mercedes. no matter WHAT I pay for a car, the daily operating expenses can be the same or different.
National average for gas today is: Reg. 2.80 Mid: 2.94 Prem:3.08 USD a gallon

If it takes one gallon for me to do my days work, how much is my daily expense? Does it matter if I use a ford or a mercedes? Lets assume they get the same MPG


If all I do is use gas today to conduct business, Actual-Cost Of Production is= 1 gallon

How much do you spend on gas?

Regular>Midgrad>Premium>

Dosnt matter how much the car cost.

But, there is so much more to daily expenses.

Gas, Oil, Tires, on and on...

If I get a flat today, I go buy a new tire. Tally for the day, One gallon and One tire...
Got an oil change to...

One gallon, one tire and oil change= Actual-Cost of Production

I bought the car with tires, oil and gas= Start up costs.



Thanks Hap, I do appreciate your trying. I will go search for the 'costs' threads, just for my own reading pleasures.

I keep seeing that the very words of COSTS seams to throw people off.
I like the idea that some already factor in Legal expenses, insurance and even 'taxes' what ever form that may be.
I am still looking to get an idea of the actual costs for what others are doing/ cost of production, for them, using their own formula, as to cost...

But, I just had an IDEA !! I am already doing what I am doing. This isnt a fishing expedition to see if it is worth the risk so I can be the next Grow-Daddy.

Thank you for your patience and information

 

[Emperor Herer]

Hello,

He has also displayed animosity toward bacon. This is unforgiveable. Many members here love bacon. A vote against bacon seems to be a vote against most of the members here. Also it seems to be a vote against having a sense of humour. I can forgive a lot of things, but voting against a sense of humour and bacon is senseless I think.

bacon is wrong. i have no sense of humor. voting is evil.



I would never want to belong to a club that would have someone like me as a member.

I've heard that before, before.

Is there an echo in here, in here?




next

 

[Greyskull]

Any wild guess as to YOUR Actual-Cost Of Production?

oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. thanks for reminding me...

it costs me about 4800 dollars to produce a single pound of killer buds. 2lbs costs me 9600...

 

[Stoner Chick]

oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. thanks for reminding me...

it costs me about 4800 dollars to produce a single pound of killer buds. 2lbs costs me 9600...

Jesus. $4800 to produce a pound?

 

[bipotato]

LEO is only one of many enemies in this game.

Some of the others include thieves, jealous acquaintances, and sacrifices made to your life.

 

[Emperor Herer]

People, before profits? What A Concept

People, before profits? What A Concept

Hey Greyskull, up early or out late? Maybe in the neon distraction district the plant people never sleep/

Thanks for the number! Hap came up with one too.

If I had to average it out, but averages cant work in the real world, so it is all just an intellectual exercise@ $.89 USD $2.10 USD and $10.00 USD @ gram to produce with a SWAG of about $4.30 average, @ gram, to produce.

I dont think the sampling is an actual representative of the entire Medicinal Cannabis Community, or Freedom Fighters Underground Community, but, for my little brain feed, works quite well.

I dont consider myself anything other than a casual hobbyist, with-out the charm and personality of Anti, or the intellectual prowess and experianc of DrBudGreengenes, or the horticultural skills and abilities of Nomaad.

Knowing, or guessing Actual-Cost Of Production just gives me, what, maybe, an ideal to sho0t for?

But, more than anything, some 'maybe' real world numbers to show a friend/s.

But, I am serious about looking into a CannaBusiness model that is sustainable. I am in a Quasi-Legal Medicinal State and my limited understanding of law tells me that 'Cannabis' can be outside of the "At Commerce" clauses, but, profit/s are, by their very nature, are at commerce.

Kinda a wild business plan= the 'product' is not in commerce, but the 'production' is...

A whole new level of 'cottage industry'!

Any ideas as to which catagory, or forum, THAT would be apropriate to be in>?

Man, I LOVE you guys!

ok, back to my regularly scheduled life...


Those of you in The State of Washington, be sure to participate in the next Department of Health hearing on the next round of Qualifying Medical Conditions, JUNE 2nd at the DOH

 

[Emperor Herer]

good morrning Stoner Chick, Bipotato, welcome... any guesss or projections into your Actual-Cost Of Production?

Bipotato, LEA or rippers or angry exes can be factored into A-COP. Security, Lawyers, Bribery, what ever, can all be factored into A-COP and or as part of the SUCK, Start-Up Cost Knowledge. :smile:

However, with thirty percent of teh poll vote, I am wondering if you'all can help me figure out exactly the plug in fourmula to number three: Time x Wage x Kilowatt x Square-foot-age

Grow time, Vedg, and flower.. what about man hours? All the good books on business say 'Pay yourself first'. ( nice thought if you have the money!)

How many man hours do I invest to produce X? Again, it shouldn't matter how much or how little I 'pay' myself or someone, just as long as it is factored into the A-COP

Does, my time ordering seeds, and waiting for the mail count as 'production time'?

I am open to ideas...

 

[IWanaGetHiSoHi]

OK It's Liter not "Litter" ... It's Scared not "sceard" It's Cost not "cast" ... Here's what you want to hear ... "It costs me Nothing but my time and I charge 10K a Key." Profit must be of Interest to you but can stand as X in your equation for now due to you being able to search for what weed goes for in certain areas ... where did you come up with this Bullshit? VVV

YOUR profit means nothing to me. Give or Gouge, your life.

With no hard numbers it 'will' cast me about about $100.00 a pound... at a guess. And it will take a month. Could I charge for that? Could I cut my costs and increase my yield?

Wishful thinking. You do know that you have to be 16 to post at this site ... right??

 

[bipotato]

I choose not to participate any longer, because it's not that fun. You guys are obviously a lot higher than I am.

 

[Emperor Herer]

Pluto, very light gravity... things should be looking up!

Pluto, very light gravity... things should be looking up!

I choose not to participate any longer, because it's not that fun. You guys are obviously a lot higher than I am.

now I am sad

 

[Zen Master]

I keep checking this thread out and it seems like you believe there is one baseline "production" number, regardless of what the end product is like.


you could literally invest 5 seconds and have a crop. Take a handful of seeds, throw in forest, walk away and come back 6 months later hoping some made it. You could crop pounds out of this.

OR

you could spend thousands upon thousands of dollars doing the same thing in your back yard or inside, and crop the same.

there is no magical number that every single gram in the world cost to produce, whether it be '60's panama red or todays OG kush.

your $50 wal mart guitar for instance, that has a baseline cost as you can acquire xxxx pieces of wood xxxx pieces of metal and price shop these things online. You've got a rough cost estimate that shouldn't deviate too far from center.

Growing, like I said, can cost you less than a cent a gram, or more than $5 a gram JUST to grow it, not including labor. There is no baseline.

 

[Zen Master]

another factor here is experience, which comes with its own inherent value IMO.

a newbie can go and drop 5 grand in a hydro store, get decent genetics, and fuck it all up just like I did.

so it might actually cost you $500 to crop out one time, but if you completely fuck that up and have to start over, the exact same operation now costs twice as much.

 

[Emperor Herer]

OK It's Liter not "Litter" ... It's Scared not "sceard" It's Cost not "cast" ... Here's what you want to hear ... "It costs me Nothing but my time and I charge 10K a Key." Profit must be of Interest to you but can stand as X in your equation for now due to you being able to search for what weed goes for in certain areas ... where did you come up with this Bullshit? VVV Wishful thinking. You do know that you have to be 16 to post at this site ... right??

Heya' IWanaGetHiSoHi! Some house keeping first: Please dont piss in the corner, please use the sink.

Your response confusses me... but, I have to admit, that the quote on $100.00 USD a pound was my feable mind. I should have gone back i and re-wrote that line instead of just clarifying it in a later post! I am SUCH a goof! My projection of poundage is about $400.00 lb at one ounce a week, at $100.00 A-COP per month... spread out over three months, more or less, not real sure what all to factor in...

Thanks for pointing out the spelling errors... as you have seen as you read the thread, all my EDITS are about SPELLING... I cant do MATH either. Good thing I am handy, to bad I'm not handsome.

OK, so off to the SMOE, Special (MATH) Olympics Education

If my Liters and litters are correct, and please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, a Kilo is about 35 ounces..(?) Thats about @278.00 and oz, and about $10.00 a gram Actual-Cost Of production

Hey, IWanaGetHiSoHi, if it only cost you your time, do you not eat, sleep or have transportation for baby-sitting, harvesting and ... baby-sitting... costs? Sounds like your outside! Yea, I would LOVE to live out-of-doors for a season. To bad I am such a wimp: Hot showers, restaurant food and TV!!! I dont care what the payoff would be, I need my creature comforts. However, living out of Camp Sheraton or Camp Four Season could be fun!

Um, hey buddy... check barn door...

 

[Emperor Herer]

Needle in a haystack

Needle in a haystack

Hey Zen Master-man!

Yes, you are right on all counts. For clarification, I am not looking for a one-size-fits- all baseline. Just some other real world Actual-Cost Of Production. Yours. Maybe even your best buddies, if you have his bottom line expense records to add up and factor in.

Just between you and me, you'all else can go read something else for a minuet, I am thinking that, most things being equal, the A-COP is within a few dollars and cents of everybody.

An experienced hobby grower is going to stream line his expenses over time, just as a cash-cropper will=remember TIM? Time Is Money.

My right now grow has cost me about $50.00 USD in real money. Th other $200.00 I spent on entertaining myself buying bells and wistles to play with while I WAIT. Everything I have spent to date, this time around, can be factored in as SUCK - A-COP: Start Up Cost Knowledge or Actual-Cost Of Production...

Yes, I agree, if , If , IF ,and IF!! are all valid parameters for figuring the equations... is any one of them YOUR parameters for figuring YOUR A-COP?

 

[Zen Master]

why do you have to put an acronym to everything? I mean you type it all out to tell us what it means anyways, why not just say what you want to say instead of omg rotfl lmaoing it to death.

just my .02 there.



and then regarding the actual substance here...

with your last post, you say they (COP) should be within a few dollars and cents of eachother.

couldn't be further from the truth..

as it is right now, everyone looks for the cheapest most efficient way to do everything.

Growing is no different, however I know people that crop 1 pound out of 1 600 watt light in their closet, and I know other people that can barely crop 1 pound out of 2 1000w lights

its due to how they do what they do.

and guess what, the guys using 2k, they have more equipment, they COULD produce more, but dont.

so their cost of production is FAR higher than my other buddies. Nearly double it.

I have a grow that should crop multiple pounds from a complete harvest. It cost me <$1000 for the materials, but about 5 months worth of time given what needed to be done to secure my materials.

so if you just want people to chime in with their own costs. then find the mean of these costs...

I'll help you out.

Outdoor do it yourselfers will spend minimal
indoor hydro will spend exponential.

find the mean of costs from "little" to extreme" and there it is... the average cost spend to produce a gram.

 

[Emperor Herer]

Growing is no different, however I know people that crop 1 pound out of 1 600 watt light in their closet, and I know other people that can barely crop 1 pound out of 2 1000w lights


so their cost of production is FAR higher than my other buddies. Nearly double it.

I have a grow that should crop multiple pounds from a complete harvest. It cost me <$1000 for the materials, but about 5 months worth of time given what needed to be done to secure my materials.

Hey Zen Master-Man!

Man, that has got to suck being the 2k guy with weak poundage...

I kind edited your reply.

In round numbers, and in know way representing real world numbers, lets say Say PTSD guy, Poundage Turnaround Seriously Delinquent, pays, out of pocket, monthly $3,000.00 USD for his prow exspences. 3000/one pound... 16 ounces-$187.00 zip>, 28.5 grams... ... $6.58 A-COP

Buddy B, AWOL, A Well Observed Loner, at one pound at one third the 'cost' lets say, $1,000.00 A-COP
One pound, 16 ounces> $62.00 zip, 28.5... ... $2.20 A-COP

And that is three times as much, but, for my thinking...

... I will get the product from the most efficnt producer. WHy, I like to Reward the Innovative and the Thoughtful Entrepreneur, RITE?

Assuming that the 'price' where near the same for each, from each... The AWOL RITE guy gets a $7.00 USD take home, in the pocket, out the door @$10.00 gm, and, PTSD guy gets $3.42 USD take home, in the pocket, out the door...@$10.00 gm

The SUCK A-COP for PTSD and AWOL is still unknown, but, it should give PTSD a starting point to shoot for.



There is no way to factor in experience... other than bottom line and end product.

But, back to SUCK A-COP for PTSD and AWOL ... THE END PRODUCT may not be the same. DO I want to invest in BMs, Bad Medicine's?
Top shelf, grade, A-number-1 medicine gets the vote every time... if AWOL has the best medicine, then he gets to take home seven bucks, if PTSD has the best medicine, he takes home Three dollars and forty two cents...

Who has the incentive to GNP, Grow Neater Pounds?

 

[junior_grower]

I treat it like a business,
1) all consumables are written off on a crop by crop basis. ( nutrients, bulbs, CO2, media, RO filters, electricity)
2) equipment costs are devalued based one there life expectancy, (or a max of 2 years)

This gives me a fairly good measure or real costs.
Electricity per 56 days cycle (2x1000 watt x 12 hrs/day + Ac/fans usage)=$ 125.00
Consumables used ( tank co2, nutrients, bulb, media) =$ 200.00
Equipment devaluation ( $3000/13 harvests in 2 yrs) =$ 254.00
Labor costs these need to be taken into account ( $35/hr x 80 hrs) =$ 2800.00
Total costs per harvest =$ 3378.00
costs of production, 3000 grams per harvest /3378.00 =$ 1.13/gram


Giver or take each harvest I range from .80- 1.25 per gram.