ezimbalistjr
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Hello,
I am sorry I did not know that. I was thinking the indica was native from the himalayas. Thank you.
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Indica is diluting the sacred herb
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I am sorry I did not know that. I was thinking the indica was native from the himalayas. Thank you.
statusquo
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"To statusquo: I'm curious what your opinion is regarding sativa dominant hybrids? Have you not found any that you like? C99 and Trainwreck come to mind."
I think a lot of the public likes indica out of ignorance/it's better than nothing. I have no problems with there being indicas available. What i DO have a problem with is how they have dominanted the cannabis market and many people don't have the option to get sativas.
As I have said MANY times I think indicas are necessary for both medicinal purposes and to bring down the flowering time/add aesthetic beauty and flavor to pure sativas. I also occassionally find their high enjoyable but certainly not as an everyday high. I love trainwreck and many other hybrids...just in my opinion its leaning towards indica too much and too often and the diversity of stones seems to be diminishing.
Interesting to see the responses from the community, thanks guys
P.S I will be moving into my new house soon and will be running satori x white rhino (nepali snow), original haze x skunk #1 in the greenhouse and some indica-sat hybrids indoor to pay the bills
I think a lot of the public likes indica out of ignorance/it's better than nothing. I have no problems with there being indicas available. What i DO have a problem with is how they have dominanted the cannabis market and many people don't have the option to get sativas.
As I have said MANY times I think indicas are necessary for both medicinal purposes and to bring down the flowering time/add aesthetic beauty and flavor to pure sativas. I also occassionally find their high enjoyable but certainly not as an everyday high. I love trainwreck and many other hybrids...just in my opinion its leaning towards indica too much and too often and the diversity of stones seems to be diminishing.
Interesting to see the responses from the community, thanks guys
P.S I will be moving into my new house soon and will be running satori x white rhino (nepali snow), original haze x skunk #1 in the greenhouse and some indica-sat hybrids indoor to pay the bills
So.... if everyone likes indicas....
Why do they not like them anymore..... after they've had nothing but 90%+ and 100% pure Sativas for a week?
I'm telling you now..... MOST people who say they prefer indicas..... haven't ever climbed out of the indica slime-pit long enough for their head to clear.
Stay Safe!
i was in maui for a week not too long ago... smoked nothing but what was called "haiku haze" that i hooked up from a family friend in a bike club.... thin and wispy buds & somewhat churchy smell from the burning pot.... the only thing that made me smile about going to the airport was the burly bubba kush i had waiting for me at home... anyways whats really funny is everyone in the bike club (older vietnam vet types) i burned with (born & raised locals + transplants) wants me to bring the bubba & og & chem to maui because they 'want that good shit'. whatever that means theyve been smoking haiku haze for years.....
just my experience.... not like i know what im talking about.
Yeah soz my bad, I must of mixed the names up. I think I pretty much agree with you on everything there. Even the fact that tropical sativas grown outdoors in tropical climates will be the best... Some local sativa I smoked in thailand a few years back was the best smoke I ever had by a mile! But I still wish it was available here too, I don't want to move just yet... Still, unfortunately, like we both said, until it's made legal, shit won't change. And until then all we can do is educate people that they have a choice other than indica if they wish, spread the love and spread the green
I too am somewhat of a sativa snob.
But I do think the article is being a bit petty, perhaps stirring it up for no reason, or at least unduly negative...
I have found absolutely no difficulty getting good sativa genetics and - if anything - it seems to be getting easier. Plus there are some really amazing sativa hybrids making their appearance.
All in all it's pretty much of a "sativa" Rennaisance out there. Which is a Good Thing.
Don't like indi?
- Don't grow it, simple as. But spare us the Chicken Licken scenario.
Do you really get the same buzz off a good Affie, a Morrocan and a Lebanese? Really??? The same of a Chitrali and off a Persian?
But maybe the author doesn't have much indi experience and just thinks in terms of the bland commercial offerings currently available.
Which probably indicates that "indica" genetics are FAR more in danger of dilution than "sativas" will ever be.
But I do think the article is being a bit petty, perhaps stirring it up for no reason, or at least unduly negative...
I have found absolutely no difficulty getting good sativa genetics and - if anything - it seems to be getting easier. Plus there are some really amazing sativa hybrids making their appearance.
All in all it's pretty much of a "sativa" Rennaisance out there. Which is a Good Thing.
Don't like indi?
- Don't grow it, simple as. But spare us the Chicken Licken scenario.
SO not true. Maybe you need to explore your indicas more.
Do you really get the same buzz off a good Affie, a Morrocan and a Lebanese? Really??? The same of a Chitrali and off a Persian?
But maybe the author doesn't have much indi experience and just thinks in terms of the bland commercial offerings currently available.
Which probably indicates that "indica" genetics are FAR more in danger of dilution than "sativas" will ever be.
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Tatz
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Don't like indi?
- Don't grow it, simple as. But spare as the Chicken Licken scenario.
SO not true. Maybe you need to explore your indicas more.
Do you really get the same buzz off a good Affie, a Morrocan and a Lebanese? Really??? The same of a Chitrali and off a Persian?
But maybe the author doesn't have much indi experience and just thinks in terms of the bland commercial offerings currently available.
Which probably indicates that "indica" genetics are FAR more in danger of dilution than "sativas" will ever be.
I agree so much !!!!
But maybe the author doesn't have much indi experience and just thinks in terms of the bland commercial offerings currently available.
Which probably indicates that "indica" genetics are FAR more in danger of dilution than "sativas" will ever be.
That's a really good point. The OP does live in Cali, and has grown and smoked some really great indicas, he just doesn't prefer them, however I can vouch that there are A LOT of commercial indicas that all feel the same, and are relatively boring and bland.
For someone who hasn't experienced any really good Indicas, I can see how they could conclude Indicas suck, after experiencing the same type of "high" off of many different commercial strains.
Northern Lights comes to mind. In all of my experiences with various Northern Lights, they all have a lot in common. Nice, dense buds, piney, herbally, but mild smell, very mild taste, and a very heavy stone that hits fast, and knocks you out.
The G-13's I've sampled also come to mind (Not Ohio G-13, which is completely different and kick ass). They possess no real flavor, and have nothing going for them, other than appearance and a powerful sleep inducing stone.
I believe I detect a heavy Northern Lights presence in a lot of the commercial Indica weed that isn't that great. I believe it to be popular because of it's short flowering time and dense buds, and nothing else. Commercial M-39 comes to mind, which is NL5xSkunk 1. The only thing in my opinion, that Skunk 1 adds to M39, is some floral structure and color.
Other Indicas, in my experience, are nothing like those boring ones. Lavender comes to mind. In my experience, I was able to enjoy the mellow, dreamy, HIGH, while feeling comfort, slight sedation, etc... without the couchlock, or impending sleep.
While I agree with statusquo, that some purple strains are mild, there are some great ones like Purple Nepal and Grape Ape that aren't "boring" in their character of high. While on the East Coast last year, I had some great weed labeled "Purp" that was extremely euphoric, and made things comical. The only thing thing "indica" about it, was the bud structure, taste, smell, and the peaceful, content mellow feeling that indica's provide.
I think we can all agree that there is an incredible variety of hybrids, and one can not simply generalize all Indicas and Sativas.
I do however agree with the OP in that a lot of commercial indicas that the general smoker will get, will be quite boring, and lethargic.
I just had a thought: could the reason a lot of the commercial indicas are pretty heavy be because of the fact it's commercial, and probably goes through a lot of people before the final consumer, giving alot of time for the cannabinoids degrade and convert? And the lack of taste in most commercial indicas could be due to the fact that it wasn't dried and cured properly before being sent away.
Hi Tatz, tetragrammaton,
Glad to see you get what I'm on about. Having smoked a lot of indicas (well, their hash anyway) in the 70s and 80s I can assure you that the varieties and experiences were very rich and different. Pretty much a hardcore sativa fan these days, but I still enjoy a good dreamy Affie once in a blue moon.
I must also add that my comments, when I say "author" were directed at the author of the magazine article, who is simply using a senational "tabloid press" (= gutter pres) approach to stir it up. I mean:
I was not directing them at the OP, who is simply asking a fair question, viz. what we think of the article.
Glad to see you get what I'm on about. Having smoked a lot of indicas (well, their hash anyway) in the 70s and 80s I can assure you that the varieties and experiences were very rich and different. Pretty much a hardcore sativa fan these days, but I still enjoy a good dreamy Affie once in a blue moon.
I must also add that my comments, when I say "author" were directed at the author of the magazine article, who is simply using a senational "tabloid press" (= gutter pres) approach to stir it up. I mean:
Well, you can fook right off, mate, right there! LOL.dodgy article author said:
I was not directing them at the OP, who is simply asking a fair question, viz. what we think of the article.
indica starins is where its at ...peeps that say otherwise just cant handle them and choose to smoke sats jk 
....thay do shit for my needs (back pain)
thats why am looking for a good sat strain hahahahaha
keep it green
highlander
jk ....thay do shit for my needs (back pain)thats why am looking for a good sat strain hahahahaha
keep it green
highlander
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One more point:
Funny the author classes "skunk" as indica. Pretty f'ing clueless if you ask me.
Even by breeding it's a 66.6/33.3 sat/indi.
Most skunks I've smoked smoked are pretty zippy and energetic. Some are very sativa.
So, enuff already!
Yes, there is a valid point about sats being more creative, but if this is how you're going to try make it, best not to bother. The canna community has more ignorance, half-truths and myths than it knows what to do with. We really don't need more in that vein.
Funny the author classes "skunk" as indica. Pretty f'ing clueless if you ask me.
Even by breeding it's a 66.6/33.3 sat/indi.
Most skunks I've smoked smoked are pretty zippy and energetic. Some are very sativa.
So, enuff already!
Yes, there is a valid point about sats being more creative, but if this is how you're going to try make it, best not to bother. The canna community has more ignorance, half-truths and myths than it knows what to do with. We really don't need more in that vein.
Even so, Skunk is unique in one aspect.... the Afghani taint that turns my head to mush is Much more prevelant than 33.3%... It turns my head to mush in a single day. *shrug*
So, for me, it may be an upbeat, sativa-dominant hybrid physically.... the mental aspect of it is pure indica. I'm a wide awake moron... kinda like a drunk with a bunch of coffee in them.
Stay Safe!
Ha-hah, I never thought I'd find myself defending skunk.
I don't grow or smoke much of it, but most of the ones I do occasionally toke are not that bad - they definitely have a positive cerebral effect, especially if you're OK handling a bit of para edge.
Obviously, this may vary from batch to batch and breeder to breeder, but I certainly don't think it deserves demonization. Some people probably just find it's energy too much, and prefer to "cabbage out", instead. And I know that a few just mong you, I don't particularly care for that, but some people see it as a good thing to just stare at a wall for hours (beats me why).
However, I think it would be wrong to make blanket statements like that about a strain. I imagine the author freaked once on a bit too much smoke, and decided to include it in his "evil drug" list. Pffft. Reminds me of the British Press, and their demented skunk crusade.
It is a bit daft (at least) to say that skunk is bad because it contains Affie. There are some quite cerebral Affies / Indicas out there, you know.
I still maintain that the OP's article is third rate journalism that we could do without.
I don't grow or smoke much of it, but most of the ones I do occasionally toke are not that bad - they definitely have a positive cerebral effect, especially if you're OK handling a bit of para edge.
Obviously, this may vary from batch to batch and breeder to breeder, but I certainly don't think it deserves demonization. Some people probably just find it's energy too much, and prefer to "cabbage out", instead. And I know that a few just mong you, I don't particularly care for that, but some people see it as a good thing to just stare at a wall for hours (beats me why).
However, I think it would be wrong to make blanket statements like that about a strain. I imagine the author freaked once on a bit too much smoke, and decided to include it in his "evil drug" list. Pffft. Reminds me of the British Press, and their demented skunk crusade.
It is a bit daft (at least) to say that skunk is bad because it contains Affie. There are some quite cerebral Affies / Indicas out there, you know.
I still maintain that the OP's article is third rate journalism that we could do without.
You can grow out some mexican brick bagseed and find some killer potent plants that are very sativa dominant in most cases. Problem is the high is rather intense and anxiety/panic inducing for myself and most people I know and this is not a trait I want to preserve whatsoever. I have seen some pretty bad reactions to mexican bud over the years, even had buddies goto the hospital when I was younger thinking they were having a heart attack and such. When people smoke shit like that it does not help our image or cause & I feel it is a very poor representation of what the Cannabis experience is really all about.
For me it surely isn't about smoking stress, and that's a fact! When I get high I want to chill out and relax and not feel like I am freaking out or my heart is pounding out of my chest, nor do I want to be all fucking paranoid or confused and thinking about crazy weird shit.
For me it surely isn't about smoking stress, and that's a fact! When I get high I want to chill out and relax and not feel like I am freaking out or my heart is pounding out of my chest, nor do I want to be all fucking paranoid or confused and thinking about crazy weird shit.
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OrganicMonkey
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Indica is welcome around these parts, the growing season isn't going to allow a 12+ Sativa. Sativa's are generally welcome for their open, fluffy and mold resistant buds while the indica gives faster flowering and early harvests, hybrids just win all the time. If a land race wins out in any sort of grow analysis, smoke reports, chitter chatter, then it has something to offer to hybrids. Crapping on an indica is saying that hybrids have nothing to offer, it is true that growing all indica plants at the same time under the same conditions can lack variety.
There are some up lifting Indica's, pick them earlier and they still have a decent calyx % swelled. The resin starts out fairly amazing on indica's, it's that the calyx's need to mature and swell to increase the yield, size and stature. If you haven't smoked in awhile an indica will add a lot of zoom, all cannabis is the same in that your attitude goes a long way. Anything that brings me up is going to make me tired for awhile, that is where sativa's get paranoid, when they are running low but running strong.
There are some up lifting Indica's, pick them earlier and they still have a decent calyx % swelled. The resin starts out fairly amazing on indica's, it's that the calyx's need to mature and swell to increase the yield, size and stature. If you haven't smoked in awhile an indica will add a lot of zoom, all cannabis is the same in that your attitude goes a long way. Anything that brings me up is going to make me tired for awhile, that is where sativa's get paranoid, when they are running low but running strong.
There are a lot of pretty silly opinions in here.
At any rate the main factor has always been growers location. We used to get weed from tropical areas so they were tropical sativas. When the powers that be shut down the majority of the smuggling trade they had to start producing it domestically and pure sativas can only grow in a tiny percentage of the lower 48. Indica hybrids are grown commercially in probably every state now, so if for no other reason than making pot available to everyone who wants pot then it's to be applauded.
But I think even the idea of guessing what "the majority" of tokers want is as silly as saying "what women want". Doubly stupid when guessing what the majority of tokers thirty or more years ago would liked to have been toking on had they known. Based on anecdotal evidence of recent times I'd say tokers want more indica. It's what they brag about and talk about the most. Sells the best if you ask most dealers. You can blame it on a change in culture or whatever but most kids are spending 20 dollars per gram and want to get good and baked on a limited budget. Then when they are stoned they watch tv or play video games, surf the net. Indica couch lock stones are better for that.
But one of the greatest things about todays toking culture is it's based around domestic production. Legends aren't about Panama red, Acapulco gold, Thai stick. They are about stuff we as individuals grow in our backyards and closets. You get to pick EXACTLY what stone or high you prefer as an individual who is not reliant on foreign sources, smugglers, and endless middlemen. This idea even of personally picking what you want at any given moment out of tiny self supporting grows that care to each individuals ideals was unheard of.
Do what you want in your closet. But it's none of your business to question another persons meta philosophy of inebriation or personal choice of preferred state of consciousness.
At any rate the main factor has always been growers location. We used to get weed from tropical areas so they were tropical sativas. When the powers that be shut down the majority of the smuggling trade they had to start producing it domestically and pure sativas can only grow in a tiny percentage of the lower 48. Indica hybrids are grown commercially in probably every state now, so if for no other reason than making pot available to everyone who wants pot then it's to be applauded.
But I think even the idea of guessing what "the majority" of tokers want is as silly as saying "what women want". Doubly stupid when guessing what the majority of tokers thirty or more years ago would liked to have been toking on had they known. Based on anecdotal evidence of recent times I'd say tokers want more indica. It's what they brag about and talk about the most. Sells the best if you ask most dealers. You can blame it on a change in culture or whatever but most kids are spending 20 dollars per gram and want to get good and baked on a limited budget. Then when they are stoned they watch tv or play video games, surf the net. Indica couch lock stones are better for that.
But one of the greatest things about todays toking culture is it's based around domestic production. Legends aren't about Panama red, Acapulco gold, Thai stick. They are about stuff we as individuals grow in our backyards and closets. You get to pick EXACTLY what stone or high you prefer as an individual who is not reliant on foreign sources, smugglers, and endless middlemen. This idea even of personally picking what you want at any given moment out of tiny self supporting grows that care to each individuals ideals was unheard of.
Do what you want in your closet. But it's none of your business to question another persons meta philosophy of inebriation or personal choice of preferred state of consciousness.
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Well said motaco! I agree 100%
ocean_grown
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Fuck this thread, I prefer Cannabis Sativa subsp. Indica because I enjoy it more. Doesn't make me any less creative or any less of a connoisseur. I like indica better than sativa because I smoke in the evenings, if I smoke in the day its gonna be Diesel or C99, but those can't really be considered "sativa" either.
Fuck, it's all herb.
Fuck, it's all herb.
superbolan
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Its all sacred you know why? Cuz the world dont turn to the beat of just one drum what might be right for all might not be right for some,,,, aaahhhh you know the rest!! Different strokes for different folks
