Viet Black x Thai??,,,:),,,,what am i in for??

[englishrick]

ive just bought a pack of Viet Black x Thai,,,,,,,,,,i was actualy very supprized to see them at my local headshop,,,,,,supprized but happy

from what im reading its not "Viet black x Thai",,,,, its "[Viet black x Yahuuna x Thai]",,,,,,,,,,is this true???

what are they gona look like,,ive got no idea what im getting myself into,,,,will someone please tell me what possible selections i might be faced with??,,,,,,,

im an indoor hydro grower

is it gona be stinky and tasty????





thanks guy`s..........ive been wanting to grow some ace seeds for ages

 

[Ras Pablo]

High! Englishrick! Well Vietnam Black x Thai as far as I know it's the Vietnam Black mother from ACE crossed with a very fine Meao Thai male from CannaBiogen, a very nice Thai line wich get a male it's quite difficult cause of the high female ratios.

Vietnam Black as far as I know it's supossed to be a hybrid of Vietnam with a China...but I'm not hundred percent sure.

I've tried some fine examples of this hybrid growed in my area, I've tried them thank's to my bro pebble wich provide me with some nice samples .

You'll fine some phenos I will say over 3 different, one more like Vietnam Black, use to turn bit purple, big calyxs and deep forest aroma with fruit hint's as orange's...our friend elpep grown a very nice one that turn completly purple, the taste it's very nice and the effect very good, melow Sativa effect perfect for chating and enjoi a coffee with friends.

Also there's a very acid strawberry pheno of superb smoke.

Can not tell you more about, jus try them bro!! and I'm sure you'll like it! also growed in hydro could be amazing.

 

[englishrick]

so would you say i should be slecting towards the Vietblack?,,is there any telltail signs i should be lookin for in veg??,,,,,,,,,im looking for something with a potent terpen profile,,,i want "exotic taste" more than anything??

im hoping they perform well indoors on a full hydro system,,,,,i know some landrace can be picky and even herm ,,,hopefull its 1 of them hybrids that likes it

 

[englishrick]

the strawberryacid pheno keeps sounding better and better,,,any ideas how many times that pheno pops up??

im sorry for all the questions,,but thankyou for all your help

im pretty exited about these,,,

ive been getting into this landrace thing

thanks again man

 

[Ras Pablo]

Hehe, pas problem .

I think inna pack you should find the orange/deep forest pheno easyli also some less fruity and more woody incense very asiatic trait Dubi know's what I'm talking about...

The acid strawberry I think this must be a bit recesive trait...not sure if it's related to the CannaBiogen Meao Thai side or from VB.

Here is it a Vietnam Black from a spanish grower, he has very green fingers hehe.

vietnan x thay

 

[englishrick]

i think ive got it,,,,,im looking for the Orange deepfrost "is that a purple pheno with orange hairs???",,,,,,,,,,, and strawberry acid,,,im guessing thats a pink pheno??

 

[pebble]

High RasPablo and Englishrick
Strawberry comes from Vietnam Black, only a few takes Meao Thai smells, not so much predominant
Yu will enjoy the smells
With the cured, buds ar gettin more potent.. some times is hard finish the spliff

One with Vietnam Black smell predominant

Other with Meao Thai smell

Strawberry with acid touch smell

Very strong Vietnam Black smell

Other with smiliar smell

The slower flow, earthy smell or something similar..

 

[indifferent]

Aren't those seeds (Viet Black x Yunnan Indica) x Thai?

Nice score rick, be interesting to see how these work indoors in hydro!

I got Yunnan Indica Seeds, Vietnamese Black seeds and a few types of Thai seeds so if you find some special keeper plants and can work out what pheno it is we could pop some seeds of that parental line.

 

[englishrick]

i had a problem understanding the discription

Genetics: Vietnam Black x Meao Thai. F1 Hybrid,

almost 100% Sativa.Excellent hybrid of sativas from South East Asia.

Our best Vietnam Black, Orient Express's mother, has been pollinated by a Meao Thai male,


i got confused when it started talking about orient express,,,,,,,to be honest i still dont quite understand,,,how the orient express is involved???? i thought the Vietblack was a pureline??

hay indi,,,,geez,,,,you never stop amazing me,,,,your a true ganja collector,,,god bless you bro!!,,,,,,,ive supprized myself buying these seeds,,,an i didnt just get these 1`s i got sandstorm from cannabiogen too,,,,i dont know whst happend to me,,,,its not like me buying stuff like this,,im kindof exited to see and smoke something from the oldworld,,,,,

latley ive picked up

Sol OG x BS 2.2
X18
Sams Ohaze x SK1
Sandstorm
Vietblack x Thai

im gona have a friend of mine running them all soon,,,,,,,his tent is gona be silly

 

[englishrick]

thanks for showingyour pictures dudes,,,you guys seem to grow amazing weed!!,,,,,,im allwayesd impressed with the company ace seeds keeps

any more pics guys??

i feel like oliver..

please sir ,,can i have some more??,,,,,,,

i wonder what it will look like indoors on an NFT,,,,,i bet it will be mad

 

[indifferent]

Hey rick, those Sandstorm, great choice, I always wanted to run that. You should find something extremely colourful in those from the purple Chitrali in the mix.

Orient Express is Vietnamese Black x Yunnan Indica with the Yunnan being the male.

Do you have Vietnamese Black x Meao Thai or (Vietnamese Black x Yunnan Indica) x Meao Thai?

I'd drop PMs to dubi and Charlie Garcia, they will be able to give you all the info on these and they are very nice guys to boot.

If it's the former, you're gonna have to reconfigure your setup to suit. You would need to start them on 12/12 I think, then after they show sex, drop down to 11/13 and after another month down to 10.5/13.5 then after another month down to 10/14. They might prove tricky/impossible in NFT, sats don't like heavy feeding, you might want to consider doing them in coco with organics. I would cut out all N after 8 weeks of flowering and be prepared for a long wait, 16 weeks wouldn't be unusual.

Not that I know much about these genes, but I do know my extreme sats.

Perhaps i can help you out with some customisations to the grow space just for these. Vertical fluoro tubes are great for these type of plants as they get so tall and need lots of light, but not intense light, it needs to be diffuse. I'd use MH bulbs and 2700k or 3200k warm fluoro tubes. I'm a bit handy with wiring up fluoro tubes and the ballasts so it would be my pleasure to help ya setup a specialised sativa setup. Some UV would also be good for these gals because Thailand and Vietnam has intense UV, again, I can setup UV lighting, it's something I've studied in great detail.

 

[pebble]

Aren't those seeds (Viet Black x Yunnan Indica) x Thai?

Nice score rick, be interesting to see how these work indoors in hydro!

I got Yunnan Indica Seeds, Vietnamese Black seeds and a few types of Thai seeds so if you find some special keeper plants and can work out what pheno it is we could pop some seeds of that parental line.

High Indifferent
They ar Vietnam Black x Meao Thai, hybrid f1
Vietnam Black is not pure Vietnam, Dubi now better the details
Best regards

 

[1000ARMSofKALI]

how the orient express is involved????

hi english rick, orient express is involved only beacuse orient express(viet. black x yunnan) and viet. black x meao thai cross have same mother...and yes i also read from some dubi´s posts he assumes VB not to be pure tropical sativa, he said there are two phenos, one more sativa but he said uninteresting for breeding and second pheno less sativa he found interesting hehe i think they couldnt find male, but dunno i just heard it hehehehe, but dubi will chime in im sure

you said you will go this hydro, well then i guess you have to be very goood skilled hydrogrower...good luck bro

hey pebble,

amazing presentation i enjoy a lot, youre the man!,thx for sharin´, love that asian fantasy in your hands hehe

kali

 

[pebble]

i had a problem understanding the discription

Genetics: Vietnam Black x Meao Thai. F1 Hybrid,

almost 100% Sativa.Excellent hybrid of sativas from South East Asia.

Our best Vietnam Black, Orient Express's mother, has been pollinated by a Meao Thai male,


i got confused when it started talking about orient express,,,,,,,to be honest i still dont quite understand,,,how the orient express is involved???? i thought the Vietblack was a pureline??

hay indi,,,,geez,,,,you never stop amazing me,,,,your a true ganja collector,,,god bless you bro!!,,,,,,,ive supprized myself buying these seeds,,,an i didnt just get these 1`s i got sandstorm from cannabiogen too,,,,i dont know whst happend to me,,,,its not like me buying stuff like this,,im kindof exited to see and smoke something from the oldworld,,,,,

latley ive picked up

Sol OG x BS 2.2
X18
Sams Ohaze x SK1
Sandstorm
Vietblack x Thai

im gona have a friend of mine running them all soon,,,,,,,his tent is gona be silly

High Englishrick
What DUbi means is that Vietnam Black mother is the same in this two hybrids, Orient Express: Vietnam Black x China Yunnan, is the same mother Vietnam Black that is used in Vietnam Black x Meao Thai
Vietnam Black is an hybrid of two southwest asian lines
Hope it will be clear
Best regards

 

[englishrick]

yeh,,,,ive got the Vietnam Black x Meao Thai. F1 Hybrid,,,,,,,indi,,,il pick you brains soon on some nice simple modifications,,,,,,il probbly tweek the light cycle and maybe a few other things too,,,"low feed you was sayin bro???" ,,,,hmmm,,,it will be funny to see how this 1 wil react to my NFT system,,,,,i can usaly track exactly how mytch a plant is feeding by the drop in EC ,,,,,,,,should be FUN,,,,i bet you guys will get a shock how well i grow this,,,,it will look evil when im finished with it

thanks guys,,,,,,,,an especialy Pebble, who got the Orient express issues solved,,,,,,,,,now i get it,,,,,,,,

so the orient express is ony involved because the same mother was used in the orient express cross?????,,,,,,,,,,,,

was the same mother used for the Golden Tiger too????

 

[englishrick]

oh no,,,the Golden Tiget has the same Farther not the same mother,,,,,different mothers same farther,,,,

sorry,,,,dont pay atention to me,,,,im just workin out the datails,,,,,Aceseeds is new territory for me,,,,,,,im just a noobie sill with Ace

 

[indifferent]

Thanks for the info Pebble and Kali.

You know what i like best about ACE/Cannabiogen grow threads? All the really nice, helpful Spanish guys who join in, there is always such a good vibe going on around these threads, muchas gracias mi amigos y amigas!

Looking forward to seeing these in NFT rick, I'd take cuttings of them just in case it does go wrong though. If they don't take too well to Canna Aqua then you can always break out the Biobizz or something else mild.

I'd start thinking now about your feedign strategy, sats hate N in late flower, so you are gonna want to feed them something with very little or no N. Canna PK13-14 might be a bit harsh for them so you might wanna use an organic PK instead. The BAC one is ridiculously expensive, but I can give you a bag of high P bat guano and a bag of soft rock potash for K and you can just make your own.

I might be completely wrong on all this though as I'm basing my strategy on the unworked or hardly worked landraces and heirlooms I've grown. Last pure sativa commercial seeds I grew was Female Seeds Zamal x Haze and those I had to do in soil and feed em just seaweed, molasses, liquid bat guano and a little bit of Plagron Alga Bloom.

Yup, the Orient Express is only involved because the Vietnamese Black mother is used in both that cross and the one you have rick.

On the supplemental lighting thing, a dual ballast is only about a fiver on ebay new and 35W 1.5m long T5 tubes are less than 2 quid. For UV, an Osram Vitalux 300W Mercury Vapour is about 40 quid, fits in a normal E27 socket (must be a ceramic one though) and will give you ample UV. If you wanna get the bits needed together, I'll be able to wire it all up in an hour or two, drop me a PM and I'll give ya a list of everything you need, should cost about a hundred squids.

If you fancy doing some Vietnamese Black and Thai alongside the Viet x Thai i can help ya out there too. I've got tons of other sats too so if you wanna do a full sat run, I'd be delighted to provide some more genes.

 

[pebble]

High Englishrick and Indifferent, thank yu

......
so the orient express is ony involved because the same mother was used in the orient express cross?????,,,,,,,,,,,,
......

Yu ar right, the same mother crossed with an indica and a sativa.. China Yunnan and Meao Thai, two fathers that let Vietnam Black be predominant

Vietnam Black, seeded

Best wishes Englishrick, please keep us updatin with this awesome project, thank yu

 

[englishrick]

your absoloutly right indi!!,,,,,,,

all the topclass spanish dudes make Ace even more appeling,,,,,i couldnt have said it better myself

an from what i can tell, they all seem to be high level breeders too,,,,,,,,nowadays i wouldnt even grow seeds made by someone who dont understand Robert Allard,,,some moden breeders are a joke!,,,,,im not trying to toot my own horn, but sometimes it feels like I know more than most breeders.,,,,,but the Ace collective seem to be on a higher level to moste other breeders

thats why im here bro...

im supprized your not growing the Viet-Black yourself.....i dont think i should grow them,,,,,im feelin a pruebreed comin on,,,,,,i remember back on OG that line was PRIZED BIGTIME,,,,,,i remember when we first saw it!!,,,,,,some dude was in the Viet war and he smoked something special,,years later he whent back to grab the seeds,,, if i remember correctly,,,,,,,

man that was a crazy sativa,,,,,propper skinny and small black buds,,,,looked amazing!

an you right again indi,,,,if the PK13/14 is too harsh,,,il just drop by the hydro shop and grab a load of BAC,,,,,,but your fogetting about CannaAqua`s special trick.....my best trick ,,,,the PH drops massivly when you need PK 13/14 an when you add PK the PH bounces back....i wouldnt be supprized if it just took less PK to bring the PH back to normal....CannaAqua is very special in this way!!!,,,

but then again im not experenced with sativa landrace stuff,,,i guess we will see

it wont be expencive to get BAC at my local shop as they buy direct from the dude who makes BAC,,,,,im sure its just 1 dude on his own,,,,,im sure my mate at the hydro show will just give me a load to try if i ask,,,hes allways trying to get me to use new stuff as i buy more CannaAqua than any1 ,,,,i dont even need to talk,,,he just asks "Flores of Vega" ..lol

Thanks for the info Pebble and Kali.

You know what i like best about ACE/Cannabiogen grow threads? All the really nice, helpful Spanish guys who join in, there is always such a good vibe going on around these threads, muchas gracias mi amigos y amigas!

Looking forward to seeing these in NFT rick, I'd take cuttings of them just in case it does go wrong though. If they don't take too well to Canna Aqua then you can always break out the Biobizz or something else mild.

I'd start thinking now about your feedign strategy, sats hate N in late flower, so you are gonna want to feed them something with very little or no N. Canna PK13-14 might be a bit harsh for them so you might wanna use an organic PK instead. The BAC one is ridiculously expensive, but I can give you a bag of high P bat guano and a bag of soft rock potash for K and you can just make your own.

I might be completely wrong on all this though as I'm basing my strategy on the unworked or hardly worked landraces and heirlooms I've grown. Last pure sativa commercial seeds I grew was Female Seeds Zamal x Haze and those I had to do in soil and feed em just seaweed, molasses, liquid bat guano and a little bit of Plagron Alga Bloom.

Yup, the Orient Express is only involved because the Vietnamese Black mother is used in both that cross and the one you have rick.

On the supplemental lighting thing, a dual ballast is only about a fiver on ebay new and 35W 1.5m long T5 tubes are less than 2 quid. For UV, an Osram Vitalux 300W Mercury Vapour is about 40 quid, fits in a normal E27 socket (must be a ceramic one though) and will give you ample UV. If you wanna get the bits needed together, I'll be able to wire it all up in an hour or two, drop me a PM and I'll give ya a list of everything you need, should cost about a hundred squids.

If you fancy doing some Vietnamese Black and Thai alongside the Viet x Thai i can help ya out there too. I've got tons of other sats too so if you wanna do a full sat run, I'd be delighted to provide some more genes.

 

[indifferent]

your absoloutly right indi!!,,,,,,,

all the topclass spanish dudes make Ace even more appeling,,,,,i couldnt have said it better myself

an from what i can tell, they all seem to be high level breeders too,,,,,,,,nowadays i wouldnt even grow seeds made by someone who dont understand Robert Allard,,,some moden breeders are a joke!,,,,,im not trying to toot my own horn, but sometimes it feels like I know more than most breeders.,,,,,but the Ace collective seem to be on a higher level to moste other breeders

thats why im here bro...

im supprized your not growing the Viet-Black yourself.....i dont think i should grow them,,,,,im feelin a pruebreed comin on,,,,,,i remember back on OG that line was PRIZED BIGTIME,,,,,,i remember when we first saw it!!,,,,,,some dude was in the Viet war and he smoked something special,,years later he whent back to grab the seeds,,, if i remember correctly,,,,,,,

man that was a crazy sativa,,,,,propper skinny and small black buds,,,,looked amazing!

an you right again indi,,,,if the PK13/14 is too harsh,,,il just drop by the hydro shop and grab a load of BAC,,,,,,but your fogetting about CannaAqua`s special trick.....my best trick ,,,,the PH drops massivly when you need PK 13/14 an when you add PK the PH bounces back....i wouldnt be supprized if it just took less PK to bring the PH back to normal....CannaAqua is very special in this way!!!,,,

but then again im not experenced with sativa landrace stuff,,,i guess we will see

it wont be expencive to get BAC at my local shop as they buy direct from the dude who makes BAC,,,,,im sure its just 1 dude on his own,,,,,im sure my mate at the hydro show will just give me a load to try if i ask,,,hes allways trying to get me to use new stuff as i buy more CannaAqua than any1 ,,,,i dont even need to talk,,,he just asks "Flores of Vega" ..lol

Aah, I think you're remembering the Dalat that DiWeeDalat brought back. I wanted that line for years, then a few people grew it and found out it was full of issues so I stuck to the Thais I already had.

I should do the Viet Black sometime, I just have such a backlog of other sats to run. 2010 is my Mexican year, might make 2011 my Asian year! 2010 was supposed to be my African year but that plan was interrupted by la policia, sadly.

Hehe, you should introduce me to that hydro store guy, I'm up for testing out anything he wants testing out!

Here's hoping your Aqua magic works on these, if it does, you're gonna have to teach me how to do it!