Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization

[MrDuck]

First and foremost....

http://www.taxcannabis.org/index.php/pages/initiative/


It's important to remember we're all on the same team and both sides have good arguments. I can appriciate the fact that sooner or later this bill will save some innocent person's ass but having read it, we can definately do better.

For me it's a question of what gamble do I want to take? If it doesn't pass it could be a major blow to the legalization effort and it might be a while before anything similar comes back around again. On the other hand Californians are laying the groundwork for what could be the entire US cannabis industry. Look at what was built on the foundation of 215, who knows what will come out of this. Either way it's worth reading the bill.

 

[kmk420kali]

It's just very hard for someone that works for a living to feel sorry for people who are trying to justify being incredibly selfish and greedy at the expense of others.

Ok Working Haole...does your Boss make $$ from your hard work?? (Be truthful!!)
Everybody, in all lines of Business make $$....why is it that when those of us that do it....to provide others with a Product they want...do we get labeled as "Greedy"??
The way this Initiative is written, it is like Legalizing Guns...but Bullets will be Outlawed--
Here in Cali, nobody is going to jail for having less than an oz of weed anyways...so yeah, we are not worried about it too much, and many are unwilling to agree with the unreasonable limitations set in this Initiative--
I feel for all of those in States that have harsh penalties for small amounts of weed...but that doesn't mean I will vote for something that will be a permanent precedent, if I strongly disagree with the limitations--

 

[harryleggs]

So when the "SMOKE" clears.....take another toke....California legalization will still be a joke! The only reason I grow it is because it's AGIN THE LAW....HA HA. I love my illegal weed. Politicians make my BLOOD boil!!

 

[johnnyla]

better than more of the same.

keep your med card and grow more, or just get a commercial license.

just get a commercial license and double your output!!!!

 

[gaiusmarius]

Peron endorses California Cannabis initiative

Peron endorses California Cannabis initiative

this is worth watching, apparently this law will create more felonies in connection with cannabis. smoking with an under 21 year old will be made a felony. check out what he says, it's interesting. as things in Cali are already pretty cool this will make some things worse. like no more use in public, which is not a big deal at present apparently.

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpHwDJDR-s&feature=related

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8WzBE_Hdr8&feature=related

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

WE HAVE TO VOTE YES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will be much easier so make better laws on a larger scale if this passes

 

[kmk420kali]

WE HAVE TO VOTE YES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will be much easier so make better laws on a larger scale if this passes

How so?? If we support Laws that limit us...beyond what we already have, or at the least are equal...what progress have we made--
This is purely a Cali thing...for the rest of the Country, I empathize with you...but we have what we have--
Either move forward...or renegotiate--

 

[southpaw]

As of now it's got my vote, although I will reread it carefully and continue to follow the debate closely. I really don't give a damn about for profit warehouse growers and their bottom line, and I see any step toward outright legalization creating a seriously positive shift in public perception, which is what so much of this debate always comes back to.

As for everyone hung up on the 5X5 and 1oz. language, tell me how LEO is going to conjure up the manpower to enforce it, without leaving a million higher priority issues hanging, and then I'll start caring about it. The stories involving busts on people running a 400w or less grow are mighty few and far between, and the stories I've read usually start with some major breach of common sense. I'm content with baby steps here. This nation is too fundamentally conservative to expect anything else, even in California.

If you are growing for yourself only, don't let the people trying to make a living off of growing scare you out of voting for legalization, even on a small scale, even with some glaring flaws. Once we get closer to this vote, and it becomes even clearer what kind of nuts oppose this bill on "morality" and "safety" grounds, I seriously doubt most of us will want to be on THAT side.

One last thing, large scale growers trying to axe this thing aren't thinking very far ahead. Their "market" is poised to expand exponentially with every step towards meaningful legalization, and instead of thinking creatively about how to exploit that market, they're just trying to keep people from rocking the boat. That's weak. Don't support it.

 

[johnnybhang]

So what strains do you think Phillip Morris will offer, any guesses on price per pack...

 

[kmk420kali]

As of now it's got my vote, although I will reread it carefully and continue to follow the debate closely. I really don't give a damn about for profit warehouse growers and their bottom line, and I see any step toward outright legalization creating a seriously positive shift in public perception, which is what so much of this debate always comes back to.

As for everyone hung up on the 5X5 and 1oz. language, tell me how LEO is going to conjure up the manpower to enforce it, without leaving a million higher priority issues hanging, and then I'll start caring about it. The stories involving busts on people running a 400w or less grow are mighty few and far between, and the stories I've read usually start with some major breach of common sense. I'm content with baby steps here. This nation is too fundamentally conservative to expect anything else, even in California.

If you are growing for yourself only, don't let the people trying to make a living off of growing scare you out of voting for legalization, even on a small scale, even with some glaring flaws. Once we get closer to this vote, and it becomes even clearer what kind of nuts oppose this bill on "morality" and "safety" grounds, I seriously doubt most of us will want to be on THAT side.

One last thing, large scale growers trying to axe this thing aren't thinking very far ahead. Their "market" is poised to expand exponentially with every step towards meaningful legalization, and instead of thinking creatively about how to exploit that market, they're just trying to keep people from rocking the boat. That's weak. Don't support it.

I grow more than warehouse size, and it is all for the Collective--
I am not afraid of this because I think I will lose $$...I could simply pay the $$ they want for a license to grow Commercially--
That is not the issue--
I rock the boat because the Boat is "Unstable"--
There are too many "ifs" and "Buts" in this--
Legalize it...or not--
Don't give us watered down, restrictive Liberalizations of Legalization!!
It is Legal, or it is not--

 

[johnnybhang]

Who is more numerous the consumers or the growers? I think the consumers. What do the consumers want legal lower priced cannabis, or illegal higher priced cannabis? I think the former. Who wants to keep the prices high? The growers do. Who wants the prices low? The consumers do. Does the consumer care if small growers or large growers have to adapt, maybe or maybe not. Why is it the consumer would vote this in? Would it be so they can ensure the current growers have a stake in the present expensive cannabis market? Or would it be that current consumer has a stake in the future legal cheaper cannabis market? The average consumer wants cheap decent reliable product. The budweisers, burger kings, wal-marts, taco bells, at@t, comcast, warner brothers will always be here to give the upstarts hell. I'd be pissed if i were a big grower too. Hell who wants corporate competition in a mostly black market. Though this is about the consumers access, who will serve them? Who has the cheapest most dependable product. Who has better more expensive product. Who has the best distribution. The best advertising. The best packaging. How many of you eat fast food when you know its crap your going to eat but you still do it. How many of you dont like cooking but you do it because its a better choice. The people that read this bill will see its flaws, but realize that hey im going to actually be able to walk down to corner store and buy some marijuana hell yeah! Thats what it comes down to, and as the dead kennedys said, "Give me convienience or give me death!"

 

[watson540]

Ok Working Haole...does your Boss make $$ from your hard work?? (Be truthful!!)
Everybody, in all lines of Business make $$....why is it that when those of us that do it....to provide others with a Product they want...do we get labeled as "Greedy"??
The way this Initiative is written, it is like Legalizing Guns...but Bullets will be Outlawed--
Here in Cali, nobody is going to jail for having less than an oz of weed anyways...so yeah, we are not worried about it too much, and many are unwilling to agree with the unreasonable limitations set in this Initiative--
I feel for all of those in States that have harsh penalties for small amounts of weed...but that doesn't mean I will vote for something that will be a permanent precedent, if I strongly disagree with the limitations--

I'm sorry I don't follow your self righteous logic.

Like others said it will be hard to enforce. As long as you dont stand out in the crowd you wouldn't have to worry.

Have you ever been part of a union?? Ever seen a union strike?? It's all about COMPROMISE
If you dont vote yes NOW you may not get another chance!! It's now or NEVER! According to others, the bill is amendable by the county you live in, whats the big deal??

All I see when you speak is "money money greed greed greed, im self righteous and willing stagnate progression just because i cannot have my cake and eat it too"

Reminds of some people ive known before, you know the type, they always have an excuse for something but the excuse never quite fits..and we all know deep down inside, they know they're lying too...

Anyway someof the things said here remind me of a 4 yr old child, not happy enough with a steak, rather have filet mignon, but once they get the filet mignon, they want a cheesburger..never quite satisfied, unless they thought of it first..and compromise is not in a spoiled childs vocabulary

And to add to the whole "oh noes they'll tax it" category..if you dont want to pay the taxes grow your own..whats so hard about that? I know if and when it ever gets legal, It would be 10 times funner to do it legally,(for me) without constantly having to look over your shoulder

 

[treewizard]

Bottom line is that we have to start somewhere. Antitrust laws, union strikes, and the need to maximise the market should hopefully take care of the rest.

This is like trying to get a picky kid to try their first bite of something. Once these local governments get a taste, they are going to want more and more and more. Can you imagine international and national Cannabis tourism on top of local demand? Then 10 years later think about the landscape. "Oh its not real OG Kush if its not grown in Eurika" Kind of like real Champagne. The international market will open up and then suddenly America is good at something besides blowing people up.

 

[gaiusmarius]

i know it has a lot of good points to it, but according to the interview on youtube with the creator of the original cal prop for medical cannabis use. he says that this law will make new cannabis felonies. he is basically saying that for California this law is a step backwards in many ways. i'm not sure he is right but he seems to know what he's talking about so i would suggest that no one vote yes or no, before they have read the 14 pages of this bill, or a translation of it lol. i have a feeling that this law might well end up doing funny things like creating a huge new bureaucracy to insure grower compliance with the new bill. what makes people so sure that this bill will be the first and last chance for legalization? to me it seems the Cali people want it legal so they quickly came up with this version so they can still go around arresting people for a plant, keeping the prison industry in their profits. that's my fear anyway, that it's a bait and switch thing. it seems there are better laws one could support that don't add new cannabis felonies. only time will tell i guess...

 

[250wscrogger]

Legalize it...
Don't criticize it...
Legalize it yeah, yeaah...
And I will advertise it...

I make a very solid living growing weed to sell on the black market.
Before I started growing I was in the same shoes as every other daily consumer...working a 40 hour job and spending $200 of my hard earned money every week for a 1/2 oz of bud is just rediculous. I will never forget that the main reason I started growing was to escape the inflated black market prices by growing my own. I still want to see the prices go down for the everyday consumer even if that means I won't make as much money as I do now...Because people being able to grow their own headsmoke without going to jail is much more important than my simple greed I'll still be making well over 20k per month from indoors and atleast 80-100k per season from outdoors anyway so I'm really not worried about making more money

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

This bill DOES NOT EFFECT medical marijuana. ANY legalization is better than NO legalization. Vote it in now. We can perfect it later.

 

[Dynamite]

keep it the way it is

legalization can only lead to bad things..

pay your money now for weed it goes to working class america..legalize and it'll go to big corps and the government ..end of story

 

[Iron_Lion]

Legalize it...
.Because people being able to grow their own headsmoke without going to jail :

Anyone can currently grow their own smoke without going to jail now even with things being illegal. If it's kept private in your own home and your smart with security and keeping an odor free environment its almost guaranteed that no one would ever find out and you could enjoy life liong indoor gardening. Its usually the people producing large quantities (not that there is anything wrong with that), that pay no mind to security and will sell to anyone and every.

I remember reading about a bust of 500 plants, this grow was in the middle of the city and had no odor control what so ever, the grow got busted because you could smell it on the streets in my opinion this person was asking to get busted.

Im not personally for legalization, I think the quality would go down because every tom dick and harry would get some soil and some miracle grow and start growing weed, or on the flip side large corporations would swallow the market, just like they do with everything else and start putting out weed enhanced with 500 tastey chemicals.

I'd much rather see decrim laws go into effect, where you can have it if you want it but its not a free for all drawing anyone and everyone into growing herb. With decrim it still kind of stays "tabu" in a way keeping stupid people away because they really dont understand what decriminalization really means, and cops dont really waste much time tracking down the source because its just simply not worth it so they hand you a ticket and send you on your way.

 

[Iron_Lion]

keep it the way it is

legalization can only lead to bad things..

pay your money now for weed it goes to working class america..legalize and it'll go to big corps and the government ..end of story

Im with you 110%!

 

[The_Grim_Reefer]

I'm not even american so, take my comments with a pinch of salt

To those of you saying quality will go down, how will legalisation affect your growing skills, you can either grow good weed, or u cant, it being legal or not simply doesnt come into it

To those saying you can already grow, just keep it secure and you'l be safe ..... c'mon are u for real ?, the paranoia that comes with growing is horrible, constantly having to check for smells, constantly cleaning up house so no tools are visible, having to tell people your not home when you have to do some work. The list goes on.

To those worrying about your profit margins on the black market .... in all fairness, your scum of the earth, get up off your hole and find something your good at, you uttery useless human beings.

Bills do set precedents, but its much easier to change something thats already in effect, than bring about a new bill altogether. Be sure before u vote no, that this will actually come up for debate again

Before medical marijuana became an issue, Amsterdam was considered the haven of weed. This current bill is introducing MUCH better conditions than they've ever had, so i really cant see what the big complaint is. I understand this is a californian issue, but realise aswell, that this is a worldwide concern.

In a 5x5 area if u cant grow enough weed for yourself, you really shouldnt be growing imo lol (please dont come back at this with a "u dont smoe as much as i do" comment, u clearly arent maximizing your space. For those worrying about multiple users per residence, look up vertical growing.

I'm gonna stop, i think i'll have lost most people by the starting comment of not being american anyway. Hopefully this is the start of a worldwide change on the war against weed.