Not sure to to make of this? need help

[prineofpottys]

im thinking about lowering the ph, using one of the above mentioned.
but i still think, in the back of my mind they need fed and this isent a ph issue,"its a little bit of the organic nazi i have in me" lol. just wanted others opinions and help. so ill adjust the water with no waiting and feed immediatly,
with a foilar feed using dr.earth organic ferts. 4-8-4.
which actually has tea instuctions on the package, which i thought was neat.

i love me some dr.earth 4-8-4 . only needs to sit in water for 24 hours. u dont have to brew it, but u could. i do not.
i used it as a folier before, and as a every once and a while tea with my plants. but not a folier spray on sick plants.

i figure its easier than to use kelp meal and brew for over 48 hours. then adding some fish poo, stinky, messy, and tell you the truth im getting over a horrible cold. so
gonna dump this dr.earth in some ph adjusted water, and spray away.

contains the following:
bone meal
feather meal
alfalfa meal
potassium sulfate
soft rock phosphate
seaweed extract
10 % humic acid derived from leonardite.
7 strains of benifical bactiera
10 strains of mycorrhizae

what do you guys think? should i just use plain ph adjusted water then wait and see if it was lockout? or should i just jump in and use the dr.earth for a folier, maybe even a little drink?

 

[LeenieBean]

your "soil-less" mix has a lot of nutrients in it to start with too, though the mild sort. I use promix bx mixed with about 1/4 worm castings and some extra perlite. I'm pretty sure that its not your soil being an issue, its pretty similar to what we've been using, and as far as I'm concerned its a beautiful mix for the plants, ours are thriving in it. A watering with epsom salts will unlock the lockup if there's a problem. It doesn't take long to see the results of that. Just water with it til there's runoff. My plants pepped up and started looking better right away after I did that. but I think you'd be ok to feed. How often do you feed them? certainly not nute burnin ) guess you'd know soon enough if there's lock up once you feed and see what happens. either it'll get worse or not. I totally understand the organic nazi LOL I wonder how much weed I've smoked over the years that was fed with mass quantities of generic chemicals... eeww.

 

[prineofpottys]

nice man, and yer right it is a beautiful mix. though expensive, has not let me down.
its nice to know we have similar mixes. i was soil guy for so long, but really prefer soiless.
i got this cut from my friend, which got the seeds from europe.
he is still in europe and i cant seem to get ahold of him for strain adivice, so agian i thank you for stopping by. and your right ill def know if its lockup or not after feeding.
and if i screw up and burn things a little, i still got my other healthy ladys.
i sprayed this morning, so i guess we'll see in due time.

- about the chemical's, yeah its kinda mind numbing thinking about it.
another thing is the u.s food industry.
i mean look at all the crap they load in it. its scary to think about.
me and the misses try to eat healthy as possible
and in return we share that view with cannabis.

remember hearing about that little girl who choked her little sister to death over a mcdonalds cheese burger? thats enough to make me avoid that place.
how much advertisement must a company generate to kids, and how the hell hungry was this kid? a cheeseburger for a life?
sounds like a food addiction. or craziness. whichever it is, i still avoid that place.

 

[prineofpottys]

fastfood of the future- thanks for choosing nuke burger, how may i poison you today?

( lol organic nazi

 

[LeenieBean]

scary S I have to admit, I'm sort of lazy... ok...real lazy lately and I end up getting fast food often... however, I am fairly certain I would never choke out my BF over a big mac either. I know that eating good is great but ya... nuff said LOL Some kids are just really messed up. Its sad really but I don't think its too far fetched these days to hear about something like that unfortunately. Kids just get exposed to wayyy too many things they should never be able to even imagine

 

[prineofpottys]

i am guilty of a once and a while visit, dont get me wrong.
and i hear you about lazy..im off today and i cant believe it.
taking her easy, all day.

SO UPDATE:

i did a foliar feed with my dr.earth organic ferts and then fed just a little to the rootzone.
mostly the soilds in the sprayer bottle. as a waste not want not topdress.

24 hours later, not much change. pretty much none.

im gonna wait until later this afternoon to take further action, and i guess since ZERO nutrients i just sprayed got asorbed, then its prob lockout. can i use the epsom salt from like a pharmacy or grocery store? or does it have to be a certain kind? i know some shit is like that, few different kinds of lime ect....
this stain is pissing me off.

 

[xmobotx]

i looked at promix HP and found that it does indeed have nutrients in the mix

the issues when nutes are added by the manufacturer are many:

*too much added

*inconsistency

*questionable nature of nute sources

essentially, many growers avoid pre-nute mixes (unless they are familiar w/ a reliable source) because they give up control of their growing environment in favor of the manufacturer's decisions

once you add your choices of amendments, it can become quite confusing what is actually in the end product - and you will likely have too much (since the pre-nute tends to have too much)

likely the mix is pre-ammended w/ chem nutes

in which case, you can possibly get some of that inconsistency out by doing a light flush (i would never recommend a 4x volume flush just water to some runoff w/ water only)

you probably will be disappointed w/ any results you get attempting to add further amendments as this will continue to complicate the situation

 

[prineofpottys]

ive never had a problem with pro-mix hp and my added stuff. great results. all my other plants are doing fine. its only this strain... thank you for your input.

 

[xmobotx]

i like pro-mix as well - but something is amiss and you seem to have full control of all the factors except this one

*inconsistency

its my best guess and no problem if you find better info elsewhere - just wishin you all the best

 

[LeenieBean]

promix is really popular here for growers apparently, most likely because its probably the most quality pre-made mix that is available almost anywhere. I used miracle grow seedling on the first batch of little ones and they didn't seem to like that too much. My houseplants don't seem to like it much and I've lost almost everything I ever started in it. go figure. Some strains or even just a particular pheno are more sensitive than others- if its working for everything else your growing I wouldn't change what you're doing based on one plant. I have the wimpiest mental floss pheno on the go and she took the longest time to do almost anything, was yellow when she was young and now, her clone in our SOG grow is still wimpy but trying (I root her on cause she's the underdog LOL). But she's got the best of care and I'm certain its not us. Like you see with your others growing well too. on the other hand, Maybe you got an extra clump of lime or something in that bit of mix that went in that particular pot or something. I just showed that picture to my BF and he says it maybe lack of food or lockout too, he's much more experienced that myself at this sort of stuff. I like to try and be helpful but I'm a bit of a noob too, though I do try and do things in an educated manner, so mayhaps take my words with a small grain of salt.

as for epsom salts, I've seen "aromatherapy" ones with essential oils/etc added but I'm pretty sure they're standard in most pharmacies and just some plain ole cheapo stuff will do just fine. It can be found in bulk at health food stores as well- since you don't need much. I watered every few days with it for a couple weeks and all problems took care of themselves. I forget how much I added to the water- think it was something like 1/2 tsp per liter. just did a quick look for that and turned up a cool link for organic fertilizers you might find interesting:

http://www.basic-info-4-organic-fertilizers.com/organicfertilizers.html

it says epsom salts to remedy "weak stems and yellow leaves" which... seems like a safe assessment.

Good luck my friend. )

 

[prineofpottys]

Xmobotx- thank you for coming, and take note that your input was not thrown aside.
ive seen your posts and i know you know a thing or too. ive been on this website for a while, i dont post much. i just sit and read forum after forum post after post.
everyday, my wife calls it sitting on my ass, i call it research. lol
and your right, consistancy is something i cant control. not with pre-mixed soil.
may have got a bad batch this go around.

Leeniebean- so far you've been really helpful. i think your boyfriend is right.
im going to the epsom salts for a few days, and see what happens.
as the foliar containing nutes, was not asorbed by the plant.
nothing changed, or nothing burned.
almost 48 hours later.

thank your all, for helping!

 

[prineofpottys]

UPDATE: i waited on using epsom salts. upon looking today, things are much greener. and a nice growth spurt, finally lol. but one large young fan leave still shows signs of interveinal chlorosis. you think i should still give some epsom? or wait it out?

 

[prineofpottys]

im also gonna make some fish poo i guess.i just feel like crap still. this cold was a killer.
maybe brew up a compost tea.

 

[prineofpottys]

also, i was gonna fire up the 400 watt hps for 18/6, i know. i know.
hps is not for veg, well it still works. although not as good as mh but im in a hurry.
im going to run 18/6 for a week or so, and then flip to 12/12.
do you think because of the def, they are too stressed enough as is, or could they handle the high increase of lumens? and heat? without further stress?
im rushing things. some things in life you dont rush, like working on roofs, i should know.
and this is one of em too.

 

[xmobotx]

everyday, my wife calls it sitting on my ass, i call it research. lol

lol - mine too

yeah man i just want you to have success - the thing that would bother me the most is if you blindly followed my advice and i steered you wrong

no doubt, you must have a pretty good idea what you are working w/ here

anyway, whatever the cause (and it could be an inconsistency in another product) the issue is lockout

the only thing i would "feed" is compost tea (or EWC tea) as you are bolstering the microbe populace to help sort out the issue

any further nutrient addition will complicate the lockout

what are your temps (lol - 77) - you know, a little heat may help you get down the road w/ a few water only waterings and get it balanced out/diluted enough to do some targeted feeding (77 is enough)

of course, speeding up the plant may speed up the decline from the imbalance (it may be best to start over - but this doesn't look too bad)

maybe run the HPS for part of your light like for 4 or 8 hours along w/ your flouro - nothing wrong w/ HPS during veg or MH during flower just MH is a little better when veg'n but fine for flower and visa versa for HPS (and the combination of both is best for everything)

i think bringing the HPS into the picture won't hurt anything as long as your temps stick to low 80s

 

[prineofpottys]

its weird, the foliar i sprayed cleared up the yellowing, and stopped most of the chlorsis, except for one of the very top leaves. plant has grown a few inches.
getting greener, and healthier! starting to look like it did before the problem.

basically the foliar of dr.earth fixed whatever problem i had.
except for that one top leaf?

dont know. u say lockout, but the nutes i sprayed were infact asorbed. im just really to confused as what this could be. you got any idea with that info i just gave?

my temps are a solid 80 with the 400 hps on.
i have 2 growcabs, just like the c-22 from homedepot.
i even put ceramic tile on the bottle for easy cleanup. lol
i have a insulated box over the stanley, leading to the carbon filter, which is suspended in a rubbermaid container that sits ontop of my cab. completely lightproof, stealthy, with a 6 inch intake. and this keeps negitive pressure/temps just fine.

i just built a dresser cab, with 8 23 watt cfls, i going to flower clones just rooted, just for a quick, decent quality, small yeild fun project hehe.

 

[xmobotx]

the lockout is a soil condition - foliar feedings may actually be a good choice for getting the plant through the woods while you get the soil straightened out - but don't over do it

when you foliar feed, you bypass the soil/root system

sounds like a great project - and, i have no doubt you will get past this and get a harvest

80 is fine - but i feel like you know that

 

[reckon]

dont mind the parts of leaf missing, wife let cat in room.. he is always after them.

mine only eats the blue dreams, or the GDP,...she hates grape ape, kush, erkle, and my chocolopes

 

[prineofpottys]

so you think i should just feed it tea? thanks for all the help, and fast you guys rock.

Reckon" yeah those dang kittys, its funny how yours has a preference!!
he is like hunting around my home always trying to find them.

 

[xmobotx]

once, i left one out in a container (gettin some sun) and some critter (we're talking out in the woods here) foraged around in the soil - all across the whole surface like looking for bugs or ?

didn't hurt anything - but you could see how it was all rutted around in -and, it was only interested in the soil

(i guess speaking of cats) -my only prob w/ cats is if they pee in the damn container it seems like it turns your soil toxic (but i have even gotten through this w/ compost tea)