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Peanut Butter
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Growing could be considered an art, until you lock down all the variables in an environment and it becomes a science/production.
"The art of conversation" is an art because it is freeform, you dont control what the other person in the conversation is saying. You might be able to learn and predict their behavior, but that is much different than growing where you can record every requirement and maximize potential over repeated cycles of growing the same genetic material.
"The art of conversation" is an art because it is freeform, you dont control what the other person in the conversation is saying. You might be able to learn and predict their behavior, but that is much different than growing where you can record every requirement and maximize potential over repeated cycles of growing the same genetic material.
more than happy to do that
i'd be more inclined, if pressed, to call it a craft.
anybody ever see horticulture in an Arts faculty?
it's nearer Plant Science, no?
eddieS
C
cannabis god
illegal art!
I describe myself as a hobbyist. I enjoy my hobby immensely. I want to learn all I can about it. I want to experience what is available. But when it comes down to it, my hobby is for me.
I started brewing beer to discover what was available. To discover what I liked. To decide for myself what a good brew was (many many years before anyone ever heard of a born on date). And just as importantly to learn what I didn't like. Because of health reasons I have had to give up my 1st hobby.
I now grow what I like and I grow meds for different symptoms. I know what goes into everything I grow. There is immense satisfaction for me in learning, growing, tweaking for improvement, and then enjoying the fruits of my labor. Give me the different phenotypes. Let me find what works for me. The hunt is exciting ... the tales of the one that got away ... why didn't I take a cutting....
I started brewing beer to discover what was available. To discover what I liked. To decide for myself what a good brew was (many many years before anyone ever heard of a born on date). And just as importantly to learn what I didn't like. Because of health reasons I have had to give up my 1st hobby.
I now grow what I like and I grow meds for different symptoms. I know what goes into everything I grow. There is immense satisfaction for me in learning, growing, tweaking for improvement, and then enjoying the fruits of my labor. Give me the different phenotypes. Let me find what works for me. The hunt is exciting ... the tales of the one that got away ... why didn't I take a cutting....
IWanaGetHiSoHi
Active member
RZ to BM on the set of DR "art is not safe"
So the dictionary is wrong about the definition of art?more than happy to do that
i'd be more inclined, if pressed, to call it a craft.
anybody ever see horticulture in an Arts faculty?
it's nearer Plant Science, no?
eddieS
Unless you make your buds with your own hands instead of creating an environment which allows the plant to do it, then it is not a craft.
Unless the dictionary is wrong about that too.
just for the record:
err.....by that definition any skill aquired through practice (Like firing up the Large Hadron Collider) qualifies as an art. But particle physics is more a science sort of thing, no?
i DO tend to do my horticulture with my hands-almost exclusivily. It's like a baker-making handcrafted artisan type bread. He dosen't bake the bread with his hands. They are nowhere near hot enough. He uses an oven which he controls with his hands.
find any horticulture in an arts faculty yet?
eddieS
the_red_bull
Member
Growing isn't really so hard. It's the processing that becomes an artisan craft.
Eddie, you tend your plants by hand. You do not MAKE them by hand. You do not craft your plants.
The baker actually the assembles the bread and uses an oven to complete the chemical reactions he set up in putting the recipe together.
When is the last time you assembled a bud from it's constituent components?
There is an art to science and a science to art.
You really cannot argue, unless you are arguing with the english language.
You're trying to make language conform to your ideas of it's use, instead of learning the language.
Obviously everything that is considered an art is not one of "the arts".
But to deny that growing a garden of any type is an art is to remain partially illiterate.
The baker actually the assembles the bread and uses an oven to complete the chemical reactions he set up in putting the recipe together.
When is the last time you assembled a bud from it's constituent components?
There is an art to science and a science to art.
You really cannot argue, unless you are arguing with the english language.
You're trying to make language conform to your ideas of it's use, instead of learning the language.
Obviously everything that is considered an art is not one of "the arts".
But to deny that growing a garden of any type is an art is to remain partially illiterate.
U
ureapwhatusow
since this seems a great debate topic i'll bite and play a lil devil's advocate for morning entertainment
i think it goes both ways
I can break out the ol' GH (or any macro.micro nutrient based fert) and do a pure GH grow in a sterile environment and grow very successfully using scientific method
CONVERSELY
like brewing beer, while using scientific methods, brewers call what they do an art like cooking, because the human palate comes into play
our taste and smell senses are capable of artistic interpretation imo
that being said, while we can use science to judge which organic elements work together to complete a sustaining soil web for excellent plant health the human palate and olfactory senses tell me that there is a dimension to organic gardening that lends to more dynamic taste and smell
this is where it becomes an "art" especially when a grower uses his palate to determine what mix provides the best herb to his liking
peace
And yet you still can never craft a flower.
Reverend Mojo
Member
Growing plants is BOTANY. You go to university and study it to become an expert.
Art.. nope. Science- Yes!
Art.. nope. Science- Yes!
I keep on loling at people who don't believe the dictionary.
Gardening is most assuredly an art, according to the correct definition of the word art.
Art without engineering is merely imagination and engineering without art is merely calculation.
Growing proper flowers is most assuredly a skill which one acquires through practice.
A skill which one acquires through practice is one of the definitions of the word art.
Gardening is most assuredly an art, according to the correct definition of the word art.
Art without engineering is merely imagination and engineering without art is merely calculation.
Growing proper flowers is most assuredly a skill which one acquires through practice.
A skill which one acquires through practice is one of the definitions of the word art.
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ureapwhatusow
no we dont craft the flower
but we craft an organic mix will influence the taste and smell
so while we are not crafting flowers
we are crafting organic elements and using our senses to gauge result
much like making a meal, visual components are not the only dictate of art
since theses flowers aren't grown for looks but grown for the pleasure and medicinal purposes i think the interpretation of it as an art is very relative to how and why your consuming
if your taking a hit of oil to combat side effects of chemo that is one thing
but if you grow for years and constantly adjust your using to get a desired taste and smell in your resin using a organic recipe your entering the realm of art
When both the dictionary and thesaurus (the references for proper word usage) back up the fact that gardening is an art... I just don't get how people can argue it.
Oxford American Writer's Thesarus said:
Ureap, in your example you crafted the soil.
There is a lot more to growing a plant than crafting soil.
Crafting the soil does not mean you crafted the flowers.
We obviously do not craft the plants in our garden, and the growing of them is obviously an art.
But I'm not going to argue it any further. Denying dictionary definitions of words is not an argument I'm going to bother addressing.
Science is an organized body of knowledge. From the latin scio - to know. There is a theory behind growing and anyone who takes the time to read up on it can certainly know how to grow without still knowing how to grow.
Just like the theory of music. You can know or learn how triads are built or understand scales but that doesn't mean you know how to play them or any instrument.
The art, as H3ad has mentioned and I agree with, is in actually doing it. Applying the knowledge and skill, both of which vary from one grower to the next, is the art of growing. Take pride in that fact, it is certainly a badge of honor IMHO.
Just like the theory of music. You can know or learn how triads are built or understand scales but that doesn't mean you know how to play them or any instrument.
The art, as H3ad has mentioned and I agree with, is in actually doing it. Applying the knowledge and skill, both of which vary from one grower to the next, is the art of growing. Take pride in that fact, it is certainly a badge of honor IMHO.
