Which kind of sweet??????

[blazeoneup]

What kind eh, I'd reccomend a sweetless grow for a sweet end result! They are all equal imho neither version will modify the flavors its not the plants that use it its the benneficials, So which one you use wont matter much you will get the same outcome.

 

[osirica420]

What kind eh, I'd reccomend a sweetless grow for a sweet end result! They are all equal imho neither version will modify the flavors its not the plants that use it its the benneficials, So which one you use wont matter much you will get the same outcome.

sorry but that is not necessarily tru bro..

there has be studies that plants do uptake glucose and other carbs related, and it has a positive effect on the plant..
also with the aminos there will be uptake there also...

small amounts of maple syrup is a good choice...


Whenever you goto the florist they give u sugar water to keep your roses alive...

 

[blazeoneup]

sorry but that is not necessarily tru bro..

there has be studies that plants do uptake glucose and other carbs related, and it has a positive effect on the plant..
also with the aminos there will be uptake there also...

small amounts of maple syrup is a good choice...


Whenever you goto the florist they give u sugar water to keep your roses alive...

Is that right? It's always been my impression plants cant do jack with actual glucose they must first convert it to a starch because glucose is immobile inside the plants! And starch is mobile.

Glucose is immobile inside the plant, Until converted to starch. How do the roots push a immobile element into a plant? Where is the magic I am not aware of? Is the glucose converted to a starch by the roots?

As far as my memory serves me from my studies. Glucose cannot be absorbed by the plants root system. Microbes and such feed from starch of plants, Normally they will increase the nutrient uptake to the plants, which in turn increases the production of glucose which is then converted to a starch and becomes usable food for the plant, the benneficials will then feed from the extra starch produced by the plants, which they helped create by increasing the nutrient uptake causing the plant to produce more starches, so they can feed off of the plant without actually harming the plants.

The reason a glucose is used in all the big nutrient line ups is because thik of it like this, The benneficials normally increase the plants nutrient uptake so they can eat the extra starch produced by the plants with the increased uptake without harming the plant. Well if you feed those benneficials, They do not need to feed from the plants because they are full, so all that extra starch produced by the increased uptake, gets used by the plants not the
bennificials.

In the wild the plants and benneficials live in harmony, The benneficials need the starches produced by the plants but if they were to take without giving it would be harmful to the plants kill off your food source and you die.

So what they do is increase the uptake which increases the growth and overall production of starches and then they feed off the extra starches produced by the plants. This creates a balance. The amino acids are another story and yes plants can uptake amino acids. Thing is they all have the amino acids hence why I said it really doesnt matter which one you use, the flavor being different wont make a difference at all.

Hope this makes sense trust me I've done my homework 1000X and some.

EDIT either I am right or I'm starting to fall off my rocker and need to study some more but I am pretty sure my memory is good.

 

[osirica420]

Here is 3 studies, i will find more for you...

http://www.jstor.org/pss/4266008
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2430495



Glucose uptake by maize roots and its transformation in the rhizosphere

Y. Kuzyakova, b, , and D.L. Jonesb

aInstitute of Soil Science and Land Evaluation, University of Hohenheim, Emil-Wolff-Strasse 27, D-70599 Stuttgart, Germany bSchool of Agricultural and Forest Sciences, University of Wales, Bangor, Gwynedd LL57 2UW, Wales, UK

Received 8 June 2005; revised 26 July 2005; accepted 29 July 2005. Available online 7 September 2005.




References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.


Abstract
The flow of carbon from roots into the rhizosphere represents a significant C loss from plants. However, roots have the capacity to recapture low molecular weight C from soil although this is in direct competition with soil microorganisms. The aim of this study was to investigate the behaviour of glucose in rhizosphere and non-rhizosphere soil, the plant's potential to recapture sugars from soil and translocation and utilization of the recaptured sugars. In microcosms containing maize plants we injected 14C-glucose into the rhizosphere and followed its uptake into plants, upward and downward transport in the plant and soil, evolution as 14CO2 and incorporation into the soil microbial biomass. These fluxes were compared with non-rhizosphere soil. Glucose was rapidly mineralized in soil and the rate of turnover was significantly greater in the rhizosphere in comparison to non-rhizosphere soil. The amount of glucose captured by the maize plants was low (<10% of the total 14C-glucose added) in comparison to that captured by the soil microbial biomass. Only small amounts of the 14C-glucose were transported to the shoot (0.6% of the total). The degree of glucose capture by maize roots whilst in competition with soil microorganisms was similar to similar experiments performed for amino acids. We conclude that while plant roots can recapture low molecular weight C from the rhizosphere, intense competition from soil microorganisms may reduce the efficiency of this process.



Maple syrup is a sweetener made from the sap of some maple trees. In cold climate areas, these trees store sugar in their roots before the winter and the sap which rises in the spring can be tapped and concentrated.

that sounds pretty mobile to me.. there is most certainly glucose and about 3-4 other type of sugars in that mix....

maple syrup is good for the end of flower IMO...

Maple syrup Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
Energy 1,093 kJ (261 kcal)
Carbohydrates 67.09 g
Sugars 59.53 g
Dietary fiber 0 g
Fat 0.20 g
Protein 0 g
Thiamine (Vit. B1) 0.006 mg (0%)
Riboflavin (Vit. B2) 0.01 mg (1%)
Niacin (Vit. B3) 0.03 mg (0%)
Pantothenic acid (B5) 0.036 mg (1%)
Vitamin B6 0.002 mg (0%)
Folate (Vit. B9) 0 μg (0%)
Vitamin C 0 mg (0%)
Calcium 67 mg (7%)
Iron 1.20 mg (10%)
Magnesium 14 mg (4%)
Manganese 3.298 mg (165%)
Phosphorus 2 mg (0%)
Potassium 204 mg (4%)
Zinc 4.16 mg (42%)

 

[SOTF420]

What kind of sweet? Sweet Tooth of course!

 

[msd828]

I use advanced nutes bud candy and I think it works awesome.

Although I do stack kushie kush, bud candy, carbo load, and big bud.. so lol I guess its a little hard to tell which is working best.

and then again, had a a friend who used only bud candy and they were covered in frostiness despite the 1 and half week early chop down.

 

[msd828]

O and come to think of it, I also used the grape sweet on an ak47, and I think it worked. More for smell tho

 

[blazeoneup]

Here is 3 studies, i will find more for you...

http://www.jstor.org/pss/4266008
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2430495



Glucose uptake by maize roots and its transformation in the rhizosphere

Y. Kuzyakova, b, , and D.L. Jonesb

aInstitute of Soil Science and Land Evaluation, University of Hohenheim, Emil-Wolff-Strasse 27, D-70599 Stuttgart, Germany bSchool of Agricultural and Forest Sciences, University of Wales, Bangor, Gwynedd LL57 2UW, Wales, UK

Received 8 June 2005; revised 26 July 2005; accepted 29 July 2005. Available online 7 September 2005.




References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.


Abstract
The flow of carbon from roots into the rhizosphere represents a significant C loss from plants. However, roots have the capacity to recapture low molecular weight C from soil although this is in direct competition with soil microorganisms. The aim of this study was to investigate the behaviour of glucose in rhizosphere and non-rhizosphere soil, the plant's potential to recapture sugars from soil and translocation and utilization of the recaptured sugars. In microcosms containing maize plants we injected 14C-glucose into the rhizosphere and followed its uptake into plants, upward and downward transport in the plant and soil, evolution as 14CO2 and incorporation into the soil microbial biomass. These fluxes were compared with non-rhizosphere soil. Glucose was rapidly mineralized in soil and the rate of turnover was significantly greater in the rhizosphere in comparison to non-rhizosphere soil. The amount of glucose captured by the maize plants was low (<10% of the total 14C-glucose added) in comparison to that captured by the soil microbial biomass. Only small amounts of the 14C-glucose were transported to the shoot (0.6% of the total). The degree of glucose capture by maize roots whilst in competition with soil microorganisms was similar to similar experiments performed for amino acids. We conclude that while plant roots can recapture low molecular weight C from the rhizosphere, intense competition from soil microorganisms may reduce the efficiency of this process.



Maple syrup is a sweetener made from the sap of some maple trees. In cold climate areas, these trees store sugar in their roots before the winter and the sap which rises in the spring can be tapped and concentrated.

that sounds pretty mobile to me.. there is most certainly glucose and about 3-4 other type of sugars in that mix....

maple syrup is good for the end of flower IMO...

Maple syrup Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
Energy 1,093 kJ (261 kcal)
Carbohydrates 67.09 g
Sugars 59.53 g
Dietary fiber 0 g
Fat 0.20 g
Protein 0 g
Thiamine (Vit. B1) 0.006 mg (0%)
Riboflavin (Vit. B2) 0.01 mg (1%)
Niacin (Vit. B3) 0.03 mg (0%)
Pantothenic acid (B5) 0.036 mg (1%)
Vitamin B6 0.002 mg (0%)
Folate (Vit. B9) 0 μg (0%)
Vitamin C 0 mg (0%)
Calcium 67 mg (7%)
Iron 1.20 mg (10%)
Magnesium 14 mg (4%)
Manganese 3.298 mg (165%)
Phosphorus 2 mg (0%)
Potassium 204 mg (4%)
Zinc 4.16 mg (42%)

Are we growing maple trees or marijuana plants? When I refer to plants on this site I mean Marijuana plant specifically, a maple tree and cannabis plant are quite a bit different and thats comparing oranges and apples to me. Maize roots and marijuana roots once again apples and oranges.

Not trying to bust your balls here post some information about cannabis plants and that information will be taking seriously, Post some information on a maple tree etc and it can be disregarded because its not a cannabis plant.

Also I never said anything at all about maple syrup either, That's an entirely different subject and from the information you posted of course the cannabis plant can uptake a good percentage of whats available to it in the maple syrup. But again this has nothing to do with sweet!

 

[osirica420]

Are we growing maple trees or marijuana plants? When I refer to plants on this site I mean Marijuana plant specifically, a maple tree and cannabis plant are quite a bit different and thats comparing oranges and apples to me. Maize roots and marijuana roots once again apples and oranges.

Not trying to bust your balls here post some information about cannabis plants and that information will be taking seriously, Post some information on a maple tree etc and it can be disregarded because its not a cannabis plant.

Also I never said anything at all about maple syrup either, That's an entirely different subject and from the information you posted of course the cannabis plant can uptake a good percentage of whats available to it in the maple syrup. But again this has nothing to do with sweet!

hah ok bro whatever just remain ignorant...
i am not wasting my time trying to convince you...

to anyone that wants to research this there is plenty of info off of google....

 

[blazeoneup]

hah ok bro whatever just remain ignorant...
i am not wasting my time trying to convince you...

to anyone that wants to research this there is plenty of info off of google....

You can call me ignorant all you want, Fact is a maple tree and a cannabis plant have about as much in common as a human and a whale.

Your posting of studies that are about plant species unrelated to the cannabis plant, Is neither proof or evidence of anything.

I am not the one being ignorant here!

Google isn't your friend today pal! Instead of calling me ignorant you could find some real evidence post it settle the score and call it a day. Thanks for your disrespectful attitude...

 

[osirica420]

your disrespecting your own self bro please....
i am not here to baby people bro, i tell it like it is..

these guys all seem to agree


And same with over 100 citied studies on all sorts of plants the keyword here is plants..

it dont matter which plant... not one study showed anything negative...

here is a overview from someone elses write up of whats going on exactly

Through the examination of the process of photosynthesis, knowledge is gained as to how important the sugars produced through this process are. The sugars and starches are vital to the plant. They are essential for cellular preparation, to maintain the plants metabolism and vigor. The sugars are even the building blocks that keep the very cells of the plant together. Now it is understood that plants have a great big sweet-tooth and are specialist at making the sugars they need. So why then should we be feeding them more on top of all this? Simply put, flowering plants are burning these carbs trying to make large fruit or vegetables or big beautiful blooms faster than a marathon runner trying to win a race. Not to mention that the while process of photosynthesis, which produces the sugars, takes a lot of energy. By adding one of the organic carbohydrate supplements to your nutrient solution the carbohydrates that have been allocated to the flowering process will be replenished more easily. This will save your plant the energy it would need to create those sugars itself and your plant can focus more of its energy towards the flowering process.

Also many beneficial bacteria and fungi (aka. carbon fixing bacterial fungi) will live off of the sugars and will break down the sugars for the plant. This again allows the plant to use energy usually spent breaking down sugars towards other processes. The more beneficial bacteria and fungi the easier nutrients are absorbed by the roots. All this leads to improved flowering and overall health of the plants.


Arabinose + xylose
It has been suggested that the presence of arabinose and xylose in the amounts observed in soil polysaccharide can be explained by the extra number of enzyme-catalysed steps necessary to decompose the more complex pentose-containing polysaccharides (Cheshire et al., 197 1 ). They would thus persist and accumulate more readily than simpler polysaccharides.
“Origins and stability of soil polysaccharide.” In European Journal of Soil Science. 1977. 28: 1-10

28. In nature, soil contains comparatively larger amounts of arabinose and xylose. One theory to explain this is that it takes more enzymes, more steps, and thus much more time to break down other carbohydrates. Arabinose and xylose are easily accessible..
“Soil carbohydrate is one of the largest and most readily mineralized organic-matter fractions. It is very likely that the rate of metabolism of the soil carbohydrate is strongly affected by associated non-carbohydrate fulvic substances, as has been observed with humic-like substances (Bondietti et al., 1972), and that these therefore have an indirect influence on soil fertility, particularly where organic matter is accumulating under acidic conditions.”
“Nature of soil carbohydrate and its association with soil humic substances.” In Journal of Sod Science. 1992. 43: 359-373


the people in this thread agreed also:

That's interesting. I didn't know about all that, all I knew was... when I add a little maple syrup, the plants react almost immediately. The smells intensify, the buds swell, and the flushing process speeds up.

When you buy cut flowers, like roses, they usually come with a small packet of glucose to add to the water. This glucose provides energy to the flowers while they have no access to nutrients via their root system. A rose in this glucose solution will last MUCH longer than a rose in nothing but water. It was this cut flower example that made me think carbs were a good idea during the flush. The sweetening of the resin smell isn't because you're adding sugars, it's because the plant is given the energy it needs to continue producing terpines.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99774&



just telling it how it see it bro really not trying to be disrespectful..



For peoples own knowledge viewing this out there you can buy Arabinose + Xylose off GOOGLE!
but any unprocessed plant sugar should do just fine...

Arabinose is a five-carbon sugar produced in plants.

Xylose (cf. Greek ξυλος, xylos, "wood"), or wood sugar, is an aldopentose — a monosaccharide containing five carbon atoms and including an aldehyde functional group. It has chemical formula C5H10O5. Xylose is found in the embryos of most edible plants. It was first isolated from wood by Koch in 1881. With its free carbonyl group, it is a reducing sugar.

 

[blazeoneup]

your disrespecting your own self bro please....
i am not here to baby people bro, i tell it like it is..

Also many beneficial bacteria and fungi (aka. carbon fixing bacterial fungi) will live off of the sugars and will break down the sugars for the plant. This again allows the plant to use energy usually spent breaking down sugars towards other processes. The more beneficial bacteria and fungi the easier nutrients are absorbed by the roots. All this leads to improved flowering and overall health of the plants.

This part pretty much explains what I was saying previously, The benneficials make use of the sugars, The only part that I was unclear on is the fact that they can apparently break down the carbs and shoot it into the plant.

But otherwise its pretty much saying exactly what I was saying.

 

[osirica420]

yea that is only part of it bro..

all plants benefit from it more then just one way is all i am saying and thats what the studies say..

its not just for bacteria the plant will use it too if it is there..

there are certain forms of sugars that are more easily assimilated then others for certain types of plants, but this is the only difference..

 

[Bretonston]

good choice

hope it works well for ya....

 

[mexicangreen420]

Hmm, i don't think sweet effects taste as much as advertised, i have used botanicare's whole line. if anything, it augments the natural tastes of the strains genetics. chose the flavor you wish to augment. or just go with some molasses, it has way more essential micro nutrients. maple syrup seems to be popular these days too... thats food for ganja!

 

[greenatik]

last round I used grape sweet and my casey jones smelled extremely fuely. this current round I ran out of sweet early flower and decided to use up a bottle of blackstrap molasses. within 2 days of switching from sweet -> molasses i could smell a difference. now, about to harvest, the plants smell sweet like fruit completely different than last round. the final comparison for me will be in smell smoke and taste. all i can say so far is that it smells different. the fuely smell of the sweet seemed to make it smell stronger on the plant even tho the trich coverage is the same

 

[bulkybud]

I have used maple syrup when I ran out of BS molasses. Gotta say, the taste and yield was unchanged. The maple syrup is also a little more soluble than the molasses. Both are good products are work well with my PBP nutes and LK.

 

[localman]

Amish Molasses is BEST.

not always accessible tho..

 

[HomerSimpson]

I used to love the sweet. Then my smoking circle started telling me they could taste it in my buds. i.e. My buds always had the same after taste. Switched to unsulphured BS Molasses. Now that sweet flavor is gone from my buds. I cant be happier. I love my PBPro nute and adds, but sweet will only make fun runs through the room.

 

[MediRI88]

I Love the berry seen wonderful results but I switch to Molass for the last couple weaks after flush and continue to do so up til the last week...