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mother and son pot emails:

D4sh3y

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it all started by my parents telling me they don't agree with my lifestyle. i grow and smoke weed. i sent my mom this email:

" Today, an initiative that would legalize personal marijuana possession and allow regulated sales of marijuana to adults will qualify for California's November general election ballot. A win at the ballot would be a first of its kind in U.S. history. This is a remarkable moment in the struggle to change our decades-old marijuana policies.

Marijuana was prohibited in 1937 before most Americans had ever heard of it. Today the U.S. leads the world in marijuana consumption. Nearly 26 million Americans used marijuana last year and more than 100 million have tried it in their lifetimes. A huge commodity of the underground economy, marijuana is the nation's top cash crop, valued at $14 billion in California alone. Our state Board of Equalization has estimated we would generate $1.4 billion a year by taxing marijuana like alcohol.

Like it or not, marijuana has become a mainstream recreational drug. It is second only to alcohol and cigarettes in popularity and is objectively far less harmful than either. Marijuana is drastically less addictive and cannot cause an overdose. Every major independent study has debunked the gateway myth; for the profound majority of users, marijuana is the only drug people sample not the first. Children across the country consistently report that marijuana is easy for them to get from their peers and the black market while significant barriers exist to buying alcohol and cigarettes.

Unthinkable carnage in Mexico has claimed 15,000 lives since the Calderon government declared war on drug cartels three years ago. Our government estimates the cartels generate at least 60% of their profits from marijuana alone. Following the murders of several U.S. consular workers, Secretary of State Clinton returned to Mexico this week, acknowledging that demand in the U.S. dominates these markets. But she didn't acknowledge that rampant violence is not a byproduct of the cannabis plant itself but of the prohibition that creates a profit motive people are willing to kill for.

Americans are increasingly turning against the prohibition that fails to protect our kids and guarantees a monopoly of profits to violent criminal syndicates on both sides of the border. While polls have long confirmed that large majorities favor treating marijuana possession as an infraction without arrest let alone jail, support for ending marijuana prohibition outright is quickly gaining speed. A Gallup poll last year reported that a historic 44 percent of Americans favor legalization, a 10-point jump since 2001. Meanwhile, sizable majorities of Californians are ahead of that curve, giving rise to the historic initiative we'll vote on this fall.

With this cultural transition underway, you might think enforcement of our marijuana laws would reflect their unpopularity. Sadly, quite the opposite is the case. Arrests for marijuana offenses have actually tripled nationwide since 1991. In California, which decriminalized low-level possession in 1975, arrests have jumped 127 percent in the same two decades the arrest rate for crime in general fell by 40 percent. Police made nearly 850,000 marijuana arrests across the country last year, half of all drug arrests and more than all violent crime arrests combined. No law in the United States is enforced so widely yet deemed so unnecessary.

Worse still, marijuana laws are enforced selectively with racist results. In California, African Americans are three times more likely than whites to be arrested for a marijuana offense despite comparable or even lower rates of consumption. An expose by the Pasadena Weekly found that blacks, who represent 14 percent of that city's population, accounted for more than half all marijuana arrests in the last five years.

It's hard to overstate the significance of the vote this November. Banning marijuana outright has been a disaster, fueling a massive, increasingly brutal, underground economy, wasting billions in scarce law enforcement resources, and making criminals of countless law-abiding citizens. Elected officials haven't stopped these punitive, profligate policies. Now voters can bring the reality check of sensible marijuana regulation to California."[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 

D4sh3y

Member
she replys:

I actually was ambivalent about legalizing pot for a while, but since then I've learned that those European countries that have legalized marijuana are wanting to repeal the law. It has fostered a generation of slackers and is a magnet for the world's scumbags. It also didn't produce the taxes it was supposed to. Having been in Amsterdam, I can tell you that the legalization of pot was not a benefit to that country. There was a pall/ darkness/ nastiness/ evil that hung over the whole city, in spite of its natural beauty. We couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Making it legal, won't make it moral. Homosexuality and fornication are legal, but they will earn one a first-class ticket to hell for an eternity. The price is too high.

First, you said that, to you, smoking pot is no different than having a couple of beers. But it is much different. 1. For starters, alcohol is legal.
2. More importantly, it is also lawful by God.
3. Another difference is that one can drink alcohol and not alter their consciousness. It is a delicious drink and the purpose for imbibing doesn't have to be to escape reality.



Your hope is that pot is legalized and that it will be socially acceptable. However, that is not the answer to your quandry. Even if it is legalized, drugs will never be lawful. If drunkards cannot inherit the kingdom of God, do you think potheads will? Besides that, the law can't force good employers to hire pot smokers. And they won't.

You say that pot is harmless and actually benefits your life. Really? Your choices for employment are severly limited and what gumption you had for school is gone. You are doing a fine job now of supporting yourself (another thing for which I am proud) but you won't be able to support a family on that income, or derive any joy from having a career that excites you. I can forsee that you'd like to support a family and get a career-type job, but you won't have any employment history on which to build. The time for a manly job is now, since you're a man, and employers expect to see progress and diligence in their workers' employment history. Your days of having a teenage job are quickly coming to an end, but you have no other career options if you're unwilling to put down the pipe.

Your relationships are also affected by pot. You know in your heart that what you're doing is wrong, no matter how you try to convince yourself otherwise. As a result, you avoid most social contact. You tell yourself that you just don't like people, but that's not true. When you were younger, you were quite social, and it's only since you've been smoking that you've avoided all your family and old friends. So, pot actually completely controls everything in your life right now. It has affected you: mind, body and soul. It has robbed us of you, it has robbed God of you, it has affected your career choices and perhaps your girlfriend choices. These are HUGE! And none of these effects is positive in your life.
 

D4sh3y

Member
i reply:

Mom seriously? Seriously???? Amsterdam is like that because of other drugs, not pot, and the inability of their law enforcement to control it. If marijuana were legalized it would be controlled like alcohol and cigarettes. This isn’t a matter of good and evil. We have other drugs here too and they aren’t a problem. You’re blinding the yourself to the fact that you are surrounded by marijuana already. People are already smoking it. Legal or illegal does not mean moral or immoral to me. I don’t get how you’re making that connection. Are you a slave to your government? Do you just do whatever they say whether you agree with it or not and take it as moral because its legal?

I took note of the fact that you didn’t respond to any one of my serious talking points. You just gave me your skewed opinion, thanks.

There are no European contries trying to repeal any laws. Did you get this info on fox news? Are you living in a dream world? Lol. mariijuana is NOT legal in Amsterdam, nor is any other drug. they just don’t treat it as a matter of criminal justice, but public health. And they don’t enforce this “war on drugs” sending their citizens to jail as criminals. That is why you see so many drugs there because you can do them there without being treated like a criminal. And marijuana consumption in Amsterdam is significantly less than that of the surrounding countries. Why is that? Its “legal” there isn’t it?

My point being our police would enforce the law like alcohol or cigarettes, and I highly doubt you would see any type of decrease in public health, the community or anything. MARIJUANA IS ALREADY EVERYWHERE IN CALIFORNIA. . Thank you for choosing this wonderful state to live in by the way .

[FONT=&quot]1. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]For starters alcohol USED TO BE ILLEGAL, until we made it legal. Are you ignoring this? Are you just forgetting this fact? Lol. ( I don’t care if its illegal in the least bit by the way.) I am in no immediate danger from our own government. Sad that I have to say that.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]2. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]are you serious? There is absolutely no way you can convince me of this one. I just seriously have to laugh at that, im sorry. You’re saying god favors one substance we put into our bodies over another. I personally don’t think god gives a shit. Im sorry for the language but that’s how I truly feel.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]3. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]False. Even 1 beer alters your consciousness. Whether you want to admit it or not. And its not about escaping anything, its about feeling good how I want, when I want, controlled by me.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]4. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Did you even read that email I sent you about marijuana? You’re not convicning me of anything so far, if you want to try I would like you to respond to each of those points in the email I sent you with counter points if you want me to take you seriously concerning this topic. And if you can’t this conversation is over. because all I see is a woman too scared to tell her son that its not as bad to smoke weed because its too embedded in in your brain to say “no” to pot. You’re the demographic most likely to vote against this and I can seriously see why.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]You think that I you know how my brain works or what im thinking but its not how you think mom for reals, I have no intention of changing any time soon. I see a future in pot. And im serious. And it makes me happy, im sorry that’s a problem for you.[/FONT]
 

Presto_D

Member
That's a tough conversation to be having. But I have to give you both props for being able to talk about it.
I can't talk with my mother about anything meaningful, let alone cannabis use.
Anything is ammo with my mother. It will get spread around the family so they can all commiserate with her about how unfortunate she is to have a child like me. Good things don't mean shit. She will extract any negative from a conversation, and that will be all she took from it.
If I say, "Got a raise! Spent a real relaxing weekend, it was great. But I think I'm coming down with the sniffles. Looking forward to a hiking trip next weekend."
She'll take the sniffles and run with it. Soon I'll get a bunch of emails praying for my health. :p
Is it the generation? Why can't they see the good that's happening? I'm not living what she'd imagined my life would be and that's a horrible disappointment, no matter how well I'm doing for myself.
 

D4sh3y

Member
That's a tough conversation to be having. But I have to give you both props for being able to talk about it.

She'll take the sniffles and run with it. Soon I'll get a bunch of emails praying for my health. :p

Is it the generation? Why can't they see the good that's happening? I'm not living what she'd imagined my life would be and that's a horrible disappointment, no matter how well I'm doing for myself.

I'm right there with ya man, i don't know if its the generation or what, but how could you straight up deny the facts! haha. i bet a lot of people have similar disagreements with their moms about this topic ;)
 

teddybud

spreadin da love
Veteran
well for one your mom doesn't understand the bible... anyone who believes in what Jesus came to do can go to heaven... and for two man made pot evil when this country was started it was your duty to grow hemp.. and seeing as we made america for religious freedom... its just stupid to think its bad.... i get into debates with my parents all the time.. but after about 8 years of that same debate... they now understand. just keep at it takes time and dedication to change the mind of a brainwashed person.
 

Kalicokitty

The cat that loves cannabis
Veteran
Making it legal, won't make it moral. Homosexuality and fornication are legal, but they will earn one a first-class ticket to hell for an eternity. The price is too high.

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No offense Bro, but your mom summed herself up pretty good here, narrow minded, and letting other people tell her how she should think and feel(Church)

Fornication, lol, how does she think she got you? Immaculate conception? Or did she truely wait till she was married to have sex for the first time? If so, she is part of a very small, sheltered minority, and your not going to unbrainwash her easily.

Again, not trying to slam your mom here.
 

watson540

Member
having been through a more heated, face to face debate recently..I can tell you..talking to the parental generation (saying this as a 30 yr old btw) is like talking to a BRICK WALL

you can give then all of the facts in the world and they will refuse to consume point #1

the ol lead a horse to water parable at work
 

watson540

Member
No offense Bro, but your mom summed herself up pretty good here, narrow minded, and letting other people tell her how she should think and feel(Church)

Fornication, lol, how does she think she got you? Immaculate conception? Or did she truely wait till she was married to have sex for the first time? If so, she is part of a very small, sheltered minority, and your not going to unbrainwash her easily.

Again, not trying to slam your mom here.

i believe she means pre-marital sex (who knows? some god fearers look down on it unless you making a kid every time)..most people raised as christian dont need to specify this when talking amongst theirselves, its just a known

yeah im with you on the ..hippocritical stuff here..im sure mommy had plenty of pre-marital sex..I DO KNOW one relation FOR A FACT did WAIT..till he was 25, and married..so people DO do it..no matter how unbelievable it seems
 

Kalicokitty

The cat that loves cannabis
Veteran
i believe she means pre-marital sex (who knows? some god fearers look down on it unless you making a kid every time)..most people raised as christian dont need to specify this when talking amongst theirselves, its just a known

Uhhh, why don't you read what you just quoted again, and then you will see how I asked if she waited till she was married to have sex, but thanks anyway for trying to tell me what fornication means
 

Dr.Dank

Cannabis 101
Veteran
glad me and my mom toke all the time but I always wondered what I would have turn like if mom didn't smoke
perhaps a rebel hehe
very interesting emails with your mom tell her the truth
 
I love my Mom. She knows I smoke and grow and says nothing but let me see your garden and be careful. Always has been and always will be the greatest.
 
I

inthelight

she replys:

I actually was ambivalent about legalizing pot for a while, but since then I've learned that those European countries that have legalized marijuana are wanting to repeal the law. It has fostered a generation of slackers and is a magnet for the world's scumbags. It also didn't produce the taxes it was supposed to. Having been in Amsterdam, I can tell you that the legalization of pot was not a benefit to that country. There was a pall/ darkness/ nastiness/ evil that hung over the whole city, in spite of its natural beauty. We couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Making it legal, won't make it moral. Homosexuality and fornication are legal, but they will earn one a first-class ticket to hell for an eternity. The price is too high.

First, you said that, to you, smoking pot is no different than having a couple of beers. But it is much different. 1. For starters, alcohol is legal.
2. More importantly, it is also lawful by God.
3. Another difference is that one can drink alcohol and not alter their consciousness. It is a delicious drink and the purpose for imbibing doesn't have to be to escape reality.



Your hope is that pot is legalized and that it will be socially acceptable. However, that is not the answer to your quandry. Even if it is legalized, drugs will never be lawful. If drunkards cannot inherit the kingdom of God, do you think potheads will? Besides that, the law can't force good employers to hire pot smokers. And they won't.

You say that pot is harmless and actually benefits your life. Really? Your choices for employment are severly limited and what gumption you had for school is gone. You are doing a fine job now of supporting yourself (another thing for which I am proud) but you won't be able to support a family on that income, or derive any joy from having a career that excites you. I can forsee that you'd like to support a family and get a career-type job, but you won't have any employment history on which to build. The time for a manly job is now, since you're a man, and employers expect to see progress and diligence in their workers' employment history. Your days of having a teenage job are quickly coming to an end, but you have no other career options if you're unwilling to put down the pipe.

Your relationships are also affected by pot. You know in your heart that what you're doing is wrong, no matter how you try to convince yourself otherwise. As a result, you avoid most social contact. You tell yourself that you just don't like people, but that's not true. When you were younger, you were quite social, and it's only since you've been smoking that you've avoided all your family and old friends. So, pot actually completely controls everything in your life right now. It has affected you: mind, body and soul. It has robbed us of you, it has robbed God of you, it has affected your career choices and perhaps your girlfriend choices. These are HUGE! And none of these effects is positive in your life.

I found this entire thing hilarious.
 
R

rocky5

your mum is a church goer?,Why not give her some quotes out the bible and there
is many videos on canna used in religion,it may help your argument.
 

D4sh3y

Member
lol all your replys are very entertaining. yes a little background on my mom she is very religious. she goes to a church where they speak in tounges and in my opinion take the bible way to literally.

she is very brainwashed i grew up in that church and ever since i got my first job i always said i had to work and never went back.. its like a brainwashing institution i feel bad for them kinda.
 
Your mum is a bigoted religious nutjob. Trying to convince her using evidence is completely futile, and I suggest that you quit trying to convince her as it will only lead to hostility and a major falling out.
 

bentom187

Active member
Veteran
well dont attack her beleifs just let her know that yours are different and beleifs are relitive too,and just be generally respectful,if you do shell realize pots not a problem.dont count on her sparking one up.
the 3rd point about how alcahol dosnt alter your concious is pretty funny ,i see your strugggle,and i feel for ya.
 

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