Do Any Breeders Create or Mostly Steal????

[s13sr20det]

i dont think there are enough OG kushes. could someone plz make more

 

[Thundurkel]

i dont think there are enough OG kushes. could someone plz make more

hahahahaahaha! hahahahahaha! that's funny shit

 

[Thundurkel]

That's cool you guys keep mentioning Ace Seeds cuz I had been looking at them for a while thinking that's the kind of company to get genetics to start with from IMO. Get some of their landraces and cross them back and forth till you get something special and bring that to know strains and find some new things in them.

 

[bombadil.360]

B. Friendly,

You have a great way of thinking and you are correct in your thought process. You are going to run into a lot of men that come into your thread and want to act as more holy than thou, or as cannabis scholars and thus get your thread off track when deep down they know the point that you are trying to get across and get people discussing.

I think also that is why you haven't had breeders come into your thread and share their thoughts. They don't want to have these men whom think that they are cannabis scholars because they have read hundreds of cannabis books telling them that they are wrong in their breeding practices. Or that they aren't offering anything new.

Truth is that Marijuana practices are so private and personal because of the WORLDWIDE laws and taboo status by civilized cultures in regards to this great plant that no one truly knows what a breeder is doing in his or her stable/grow room/breeding facility.

I think people like Tom Hill did a great thing by working with Deep Chunk for so many years and making that work open to the public, I think that Ace Seeds is doing great things with Landraces and wild Sativas, I think that RSC working with and collecting Landraces and making them available is a wonderful thing. I know people knew exactly where you were trying to go with this thread and your discussion and they let wanting to sound smart and powerful get in the way of just taking their fingers away from the keyboard if they didn't have anything to say that was on "TOPIC".

So once again Thank You for this thread and Bravo to Tom Hill, Ace Seeds and RSC.

Tom Hill and ACE are not secretive about their breeding methods at all. they are transparent and tell you exactly how many plants were used for each selection; they are also transparent when asked about the history of the plants used in their selections.

they do not think being transparent about these facts will put them at risk, as you implied.

they do not regard themselves as creators either, but as breeders; which is a big difference.

making available to the commercial seed game new selected material, whether in its 'pure' form, or hybridized somehow, does not amount to 'adding' to the general gene-pool either.

all that is being done is sharing what nature herself provides for us; and a true breeder/seed maker who does a good job knows this, and is not caught up in ego-maniacal self-importance, talking about their 'creations' as if they had somehow came up with 'genes' out of the blue.

hyping up 'warez' with pseudo-mystical beliefs about 'creating' new genetic material to add to the gene-pool is pretty childish to say the least.

just because a good breeder is not 'creating' but only selecting and hybridizing does not take away virtue in the work of a breeder either; what the real breeder does is a beautiful job in and of itself without the need for all the hype.

 

[slackx]

Don't count out mosca

 

[B. Friendly]

how do we feel about breeders that buy anothers product and sell it under their banner. Same name... Is this right or wrong, wonder how the original breeder feels about being copy catted???

 

[reservationlabs]

Tom Hill and ACE are not secretive about their breeding methods at all.

they do not think being transparent about these facts will put them at risk, as you implied.

Hmmmm don't see where I mentioned Tom Hill and Ace as being secretive. Hmmmm nope don't see that. Let me read it again. Nope don't see where I mentioned the names Tom Hill and Ace as being secretive.

B. Friendly see that is the type of post that I was talking about. I think you get what I was saying my man. Once again I enjoy your way of thinking B. Friendly and I appreciate your thread.

 

[ROJO145]

Ummmm,there are no "new" landraces,There is what there is period,number b-THEY SUCKED and were full of herm probs,thats why breeders have moved away from them and made what they have.No holier than tho,simple story,there were landraces,they sucked,man made improvements.Why go backwards
What is it yer lookin 4 friendly?I dont think you even know,sound like half a tard every post?
NAME THESE BREEDERS YOU SPEAK TO?Dont be Scart

Theres at least 2 or 3 new "breeders" slingin seed at the bay and here EVERY month!!Hi guys ALL using bought genetics from someone else,whats yer point

 

[B. Friendly]

ROJO i think the point is i am yet to see you saying anything intellectual or even non arguementative. When you have something to offer to the discussion by all means please join in. It's a thread to see what others think, I have no opinion just questions in a devils advocate kinda way.
It's a discussion without a winner if you can grasp that.
But I fail to believe we have a full representation of the worlds mj. A good representation but there is more so why stop looking. Medicine does not stop when it has cure, athletes don't stop training because somebody else has the world record, society is at a constant rate of change, it's our nature.
Rojo read my second quote in my signature.

 

[bombadil.360]

Hmmmm don't see where I mentioned Tom Hill and Ace as being secretive. Hmmmm nope don't see that. Let me read it again. Nope don't see where I mentioned the names Tom Hill and Ace as being secretive.

B. Friendly see that is the type of post that I was talking about. I think you get what I was saying my man. Once again I enjoy your way of thinking B. Friendly and I appreciate your thread.

..Truth is that Marijuana practices are so private and personal because of the WORLDWIDE laws and taboo status by civilized cultures in regards to this great plant that no one truly knows what a breeder is doing in his or her stable/grow room/breeding facility.

I think people like Tom Hill ...

it is clear as day... why deny what you said?

"no one truly knows what a breeder is doing"

maybe you don't know what you are doing...

later.

 

[GET MO]

why breed seeds when I can take 2 fine bitches, cross um, and look for a keeper? haha, jus playin, respect to those who take the time... Cuz time is something I lack.

 

[GET MO]

how do we feel about breeders that buy anothers product and sell it under their banner. Same name... Is this right or wrong, wonder how the original breeder feels about being copy catted???

This I can agree with... If they buy ak47, breed it with another ak47, then sell the seeds as ak47 (48,49, ect) then thats some bull. Now if they take that ak47 and cross it with a purple kush, call it ak purple and sell it, Im fine with that. Evolution baby!

 

[reservationlabs]

bombadil.360

If you are going to quote me quote me in context.

"I think people like Tom Hill did a great thing by working with Deep Chunk for so many years and making that work open to the public."

So does that say Mr. Tom Hill is being secretive? Doesn't seem like it, seems like he is making it clear that Deep Chunk is a true Afghani Landrace and that he is making these wonderful genetics open to those of which want these genetics in their pure unmolested form.

Like I said if you are going to quote me, quote me in context don't take one part of one paragraph and then a part of another paragraph and merge them. True IGNORANCE.

And no man knows what another man does in private. I don't know how many times you masterbate per day and eat your own semen so, how do any of us know what any breeder does in their own private stable, grow room or breeding facility. Plain and Simple WE DON'T. We can't see into their lives with a Crystal Ball.

First time I have ever posted with fire behind my post, most people will be shocked. But you need more then that. Truthfully.

 

[bombadil.360]

bombadil.360

If you are going to quote me quote me in context.

"I think people like Tom Hill did a great thing by working with Deep Chunk for so many years and making that work open to the public."

So does that say Mr. Tom Hill is being secretive? Doesn't seem like it, seems like he is making it clear that Deep Chunk is a true Afghani Landrace and that he is making these wonderful genetics open to those of which want these genetics in their pure unmolested form.

Like I said if you are going to quote me, quote me in context don't take one part of one paragraph and then a part of another paragraph and merge them. True IGNORANCE.

And no man knows what another man does in private. I don't know how many times you masterbate per day and eat your own semen so, how do any of us know what any breeder does in their own private stable, grow room or breeding facility. Plain and Simple WE DON'T. We can't see into their lives with a Crystal Ball.

First time I have ever posted with fire behind my post, most people will be shocked. But you need more then that. Truthfully.

you are just unable to take responsibility for what you said, hence why you are so angry

the context of your post is clear; you first talk about breeders having to be secretive, and then you go praise other breeders who happen to not be secretive at all.

so what is it? all breeders secretive or just the ones who don't like to tell the truth?

 

[B. Friendly]

no point arguing over what other breeders do since we truely don't know.
total respect to breeders with the patients to identify and selectively breed desirable traits from a strain over years. incredible patients the kind required to take a landrace and work with it until public ready.

 

[bombadil.360]

no point arguing over what other breeders do since we truely don't know.

we know the info that the breeders themselves put out, that is for certain. whether you believe it or not, that is a whole other issue.

personally, I believe what many breeders say they do plus believe in the history behind their parent plants.

there are some breeders and seed companies that are full of it though, and it does not take long to notice this after one reads the info they put out, they out themselves really.

take world of seeds, which you list as a good company, just reading their catalog one knows they are full of it.

there are other good people out there that you forgot to add, because they are not about hype, like Wallyduck, now that man is a good breeder and a straight shooter.

be good.

 

[B. Friendly]

what to believe that is the hard part
I'll check out Wallyduck

 

[smoke1sun]

Im with you on this one B.Friendly. Im tired of all the different new better than the one that came out yesterday "elite" hacks that come out constantly. And to boot these "breeders" come out with their limited supply, and drive up cost because that whats sells right now.

It's like he thinks unless they selected a male from 100s of plants and the females from the same they are hacks.

...

Thunder your 4 times the grower / "breeder" than i am. i will be the 1st to admit this. But We both know that its nothing more than "hacking" for lack of a better term. Sure you can produce some killer genes in our closets, some better than the well worked lines out there. But for the work "real breeders" put in. Popping 100's of seeds and choose the best male out of 100, and not out of 10 takes more time and work than what we can do in our closet.

There's a guy in a post I read today. Coming out with a purple kush, and a Chem cross. No test grows, pics but wants 100 a pack. not dogging the guy, if it works for him why not, but is that breeding?

Its kinda of scary to see that the community is starting to accept the "elite" crossing craze that has taking over the community lately.

Everyone jumps all over B friendly and made it seem he was asking for someone to create new landrace strains. I'm sure that's not what he's asking. But someone with the space and the means to cross a pure thia, or haze. With a Pure Afghan find i gem and work from there. But i must admit, in Today's market those probably wont sell

Hey B we must be to old fashion.

PS...............No flaming or calling me and ass kisser cause my opinion is different than yours.

 

[bombadil.360]

btw, I still want to hear a straight answer from this reservationlabs dude:

the context of your post is clear; you first talk about breeders having to be secretive, and then you go praise other breeders who happen to not be secretive at all.

so what is it? all breeders secretive or just the ones who don't like to tell the truth?

so? how come you state as fact all breeders are secretive and no one knows what they really do, and then use an example of breeders who are not secretive at all and openly share what they do?

why did you go silent on that one?

 

[bombadil.360]

Its kinda of scary to see that the community is starting to accept the "elite" crossing craze that has taking over the community lately.

what part of the community accept that type of seed-making techniques though? it is usually the newbies or the people inclined to buy into the hype of 'elite names'.

there is also another part of the community that works to provide exactly what B.Friendly is asking for. He even lists some of them in his list.

There is a lot to choose from, and if you guys feel that there is not, then what is stopping you from going around the globe to find more material which you would like to see get offered?