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vonforne
LOL these things are still stretching! One of the runts is the longest in the garden and thin as a whip.
jaykush, I know you love sativas ad I wondered when you´d stop in. Thanks for coming by.
big ballin 88, hey 88 I wish I had these outside in SWFL.
Dignan Ya I am great at vegging. We will see how it goes for the next few weeks with these.
BTW the Mikado cross is looking good.
No. I missed that, but am very interested. Do you remember which thread that discussion was in?
Mota's gear is solid, and more importantly, so is his character. Don't know the man personally, but you know. He's back solo now, isn't he? One of the Sour Bubble hybrids I have going right now was made from Motarebel's G-13/Yumbolt.
judas cohen
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High Von! Your SSH are lookin' good. I'll be watching. :thumbsup:
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I cannot remember Dig. When I have some fresh EWC I am going to mix some for seedlings again and see what happens. And use a different strain again.
I think him and Hazeman are still together but the rest have parted ways. But all of that crew are good people. I have some crosses from other things by them also. But I have soooooo many I cannot grow them all.
What I want to do is run the SSH to F10 or so and see what I have then. I am going to keep working the same traits with these. Next time I will run about 30 and pick from there again. This time I am using 2 females and one male.
judas cohen
Good to see you JC, there is always a seat open here for you brother. Check in from time to time. Thanks for the props on the plants. I will have some fresh pics tomorrow. They are really starting to look great now.
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Beautiful, beautiful plants!
treefrog's looove the Sativas
treefrog's looove the Sativas
What generation are ya at currently? (Sorry if I missed that detail earlier in the thread.)
Out of curiosity, which of the SSH traits are you most pleased with?
i find when you get to breeding with the same seed line over and over. by F10 you have a clusterfuck that hermies(but not always). i usually stop around f5-f6 and then cross that with another stable line and start over again.
but hey its fun to see how far you can take it sometimes.
but hey its fun to see how far you can take it sometimes.
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vonforne
I am keeping cuts from this round from a big short flowering female that I will introduce later in the line. Also I am holding some f1´s from Shantis original stock to introduce again later. I will flower them out and find my pheno again and work it in.
Will that work JK?
Dig this is an f2 run. I am making f3´s. I go for the shorter stockier pheno that finished in about 12 to 14 weeks. I have a few that will go longer than that. I will separate the pictures today and show the different phenos I have......just 2 this time. Tall and thin that still stretches and the shorter phenos tat are thicker and heavier branched.
I like that super Haze pheno but it just takes way too long. I want my own version of a stable SSH just for me.
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vonforne
Beautiful, beautiful plants!
treefrog's looove the Sativas
Thanks for stopping in TF. Come on back they are starting to look good now. I have an update today for ya all.
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SexInTheCity
Nice to see some SHH, hopefully I come across this thread again....I hope your ready for some powerful smoke! 
I'm starting to think about that too and feel inspired by your SSH and JK's Herijuana projects. I'm not sure my personal project is going to incorporate the Sour Bubble hybrids I'm growing now, but I have a few seed packs that interest me and I'll probably start later this year on whatever it ends up being. This will be my first stab at breeding so keep me posted on your observations, etc. if you don't mind.
Another random question if it's okay- Do you usually run from seed and only take clones when you need to for a project like this one?
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it will help, but i find each strain has its own "stable" point. and really once you get to that point theres not really any reason to go any further. once i get a stable line i cross it to another stable line and the fun starts all over, and it gets even better because after doing that a few times, you have a strain that NO ONE in the entire world has. and whats even better than that, is you made it and its perfectly bred for your tastes, potency, high, etc...
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I am working on a couple of things atm. I just like the SSH but its yield is low so it is not something to fill up the garden all the time. I have rooted clones now and will just root and flower her from now on or until I find another SSH better than her to keep.
Breeding? I would not call what I do breeding. I just make crosses and search for things from all that I like and then start over again like JK said.
Another random question if it's okay- Do you usually run from seed and only take clones when you need to for a project like this one?
Yes, I have pollen and a cut from the male. He was a twin to the female I had in looks. And I do not have room for tons of cut right now.
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alright Vonforne
your plants look healthy-i've grown these F2s out. I found a big yielding-fast finishing-super vigorous pheno that produces divine heavenly bud.
good luck with yours
cheers
eddieS
your plants look healthy-i've grown these F2s out. I found a big yielding-fast finishing-super vigorous pheno that produces divine heavenly bud.
good luck with yours
cheers
eddieS
Thanks V.
If someone is being careful and somewhat systematic about crossing plants to make seed, if they're working toward a defined goal, and if they're using the best genetics they have available to them... I call that breeding.
I really believe that 80% of the people out there breeding and selling seed are kind of pulling one over on the rest of us. They aren't any more qualified than the rest of us to make seed that will produce quality plants with somewhat uniform offspring. The big jump IMO from hobby breeder to professional breeder takes place when a person:
1. Jumps from selecting from 12 seeds to selecting from 50+.
2. Selects the P1s only after growing and smoke-testing every possible P1, THEN growing and smoke testing the F1s those P1s produced... and only then going back and heavily pollinating the selected P1s and distributing seed from that crossing to the masses.
Most so-called professional breeders don't do #1.
Even fewer do #2.
If someone is being careful and somewhat systematic about crossing plants to make seed, if they're working toward a defined goal, and if they're using the best genetics they have available to them... I call that breeding.
I really believe that 80% of the people out there breeding and selling seed are kind of pulling one over on the rest of us. They aren't any more qualified than the rest of us to make seed that will produce quality plants with somewhat uniform offspring. The big jump IMO from hobby breeder to professional breeder takes place when a person:
1. Jumps from selecting from 12 seeds to selecting from 50+.
2. Selects the P1s only after growing and smoke-testing every possible P1, THEN growing and smoke testing the F1s those P1s produced... and only then going back and heavily pollinating the selected P1s and distributing seed from that crossing to the masses.
Most so-called professional breeders don't do #1.
Even fewer do #2.
this is very important imo, when your looking for traits like tolerance build up, length of high ( with tolerance ), flavors when cured for a few months( not days or weeks) or specific traits in the high itself, and hundreds of things other than yield, instant taste, and potency.
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We are getting a larger place t grow late this summer. I hope I will have enough room to have lots of clones and can run 20 or so at a time from seed.
I have some crossed I made a few years ago. I grow some out every now and again to pick a special one out for a wile. I have some SWT 3 I want t run later this summer. And my old Nl 5 x Haze......yummmmmmy. And..................lol
right now I have chosen size and similar growth habits and flowering times. When I have more room next round I can keep more clones but now I am backed up with 12 Mikados x Triple Moonshine and not enough room in the flowing room to put them all in. I think I will put a few in at about 25 cm high and not train them any.
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I have some crossed I made a few years ago. I grow some out every now and again to pick a special one out for a wile. I have some SWT 3 I want t run later this summer. And my old Nl 5 x Haze......yummmmmmy. And..................lol
right now I have chosen size and similar growth habits and flowering times. When I have more room next round I can keep more clones but now I am backed up with 12 Mikados x Triple Moonshine and not enough room in the flowing room to put them all in. I think I will put a few in at about 25 cm high and not train them any.
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Wow Jay....I didn't know you were this into it. Nice.
I'm just now collecting all my breeding stock and will within a couple years develop a strain tailored to my growing style,local environment,etc.
I aim to have 3 main powerhouse's and a couple novelties on the side. 1 being the producer(potent,tasty,high yield,short flowering period,Indica/Sativa) 2 being an Indica dominant bomber that matches the things I expect from #1,And # 3 being the Sativa that matches everything I expect from #1 and #2 EXCEPT the lengthy flowering period of a good Sativa.
Sorry to space out on your thread Von Pm me about those beans........
Even if a person were only going for yield, taste and potency, there's no reliable way of knowing whether your P1s are actually going to pass those traits on to most, or any, of their offspring without actually making the F1s and growing them out, right?
So what many "breeders" are doing rather than testing themselves is having a bunch of paying customers do the testing after they've already shelled over their $75.
Further, given the variations in expressed phenotype that are the result of variations in growing methods and environments, I might even argue that a breeder who isn't severely selective when choosing people to serve as "testers" of a new batch of F1s is being somewhat irresponsible. Seeds grown by 5 different testers may very well result in 5 very different looking crops just because the growing environments are different.
Sorry to get yer thread all OT, V.
