Pentagon Shooter: A Grower Protesting Government's Marijuana Laws!

[nnep]

When you lose 4 jobs in a row due to them closing as a result of mass financial corruption by our government, sinking the economy. And you no longer have a family because a member of big brother thought he deserved more of a cut on illegal business that shouldn't be illegal in the first place and took it upon himself to murder someone for that cut of which would be divided amongst other lawyers, agents, and judges. He did 4 fucking years.

I don't live in a fantasy world, I am product of our governments legislation.

Would it not be for this endeavor, I would have never been able to afford to send my self to college for a chance to get out of this crazy life our government has made through stricture or to seek retribution against those that decimated my family. Before I started all of this I had no family, no where to go, and no financial support other than big brother to turn to. I have almost graduated now.

For those reasons I proudly wear my fathers belt buckle he handed to my mother the first time they took him away for something that does no harm to another.

And I will damn sure shoot before I end up like him.

Let freedom reign.

It's all 'fantasy' and everyone that acts out is 'crazy' until it happens to you.

And I have no qualms with divulging such personal information as I will disappear into thin air soon like everyone else on this site eventually does.

The more you type the more you sound like you're the same kind of backwards thinking nutjob this guy who died was. Your argument is all fluff dude, you said a bunch of words but didn't say anything.

You're not even really refuting anything either, i don't care how you went to college, i'm glad you paid your way from growing herb but millions of people do i the normal way too, and don't deserve a medal for it like you think you do.

We're all products of our government's legislation, so that doesn't really cover your ass either. You're grasping for straws, i'm done with this argument.

As for skip, i know he is a good guy and works hard for this site, most of what i'm saying isn't even really towards him. I definitely didn't agree with his comment, but i mean no bad blood to him, or to anyone really. I'm just shocked at the stance of several posters. However, they do have the right to their opinion, just like i do. So i'm done with this conversation, it's just not worth getting worked up over. Obviously i'm passionate about my beliefs and respect those who also voice their opinion no matter how much i disagree with it.

 

[dagnabit]

the peaceful nonviolent approach has worked sooooo well throughout our countries history...

something radical has to happen for change to be affected...

continue in complacency and the change you will get is from your home to a cell.

the government needs to be reminded that they derive their power to govern from "the consent of the governed"

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

The more you type the more you sound like you're the same kind of backwards thinking nutjob this guy who died was. Your argument is all fluff dude, you said a bunch of words but didn't say anything.

You're not even really refuting anything either, i don't care how you went to college, i'm glad you paid your way from growing herb but millions of people do i the normal way too, and don't deserve a medal for it like you think you do.

I have asked for no medal for my trials and tribulations. All I have asked for and will fight for is my natural rights, mainly to be left a lone. No self aggrandizement here.

I don't belong to the hand out generation. We lift ourselves up by our own boot straps around here.

but millions of people do i the normal way too

And our countries liberties previously laid out have provided such great opportunity. However, I find it incredibly disingenuous to say that our government can provide for everyone. There are many people out there, who, due to situations outside of their ability to control or change, prevent or make that possibility extremely limited. Anyone who has ever been in a disadvantaged situation in government housing can tell you that (think kids without parents)...Generalizations do not make for good arguments.

You have taken what was a story of causation and effect and twisted it into some yearning for a medal or recognition? Not sure where that comes from.

 

[johnnyla]

The last line you wrote is offensive and IMO you should edit it out before the mods do.

Killing innocent people is NOT a solution, ever.

who is innocent?

i think the founding fathers actually condoned violence.

of course i don't know anything about this pentagon story. doesn't matter anyways.

how about the innocent people we are killing with our tax dollars EVERY FUCKING DAY? blood is on all of our hands. just be ready when it comes time to fight for that bottle of water or for a scrap of food. there are people roaming Americas cities daily doing this. They got left behind. Pretty soon we will all be fighting for scraps at the trough.

 

[johnnyla]

If meth was legalized i'm sure there would probably be a few less killings too, what exactly is your point? I'm 100% for blanket legalization and have read hundreds of articles and books on the war on drugs/prohibition, i'm well educated on the subject, but your logic is very flawed.

the guy is a 9/11 truther for god sakes, if that doesn't say i'm 100% crazy alone, i don't know what would.

um yeah many of the conspiracy theorists are nutters, but who is more crazy? those who believe the govt lied, or those who buy the governments lies?

how did the buildings disintegrate but they found one of the hijackers Passports in the rubble? NJ Gov who was on 911 commission including the commission report itself stated the goverenment engaged in deceipt as to the chain of events on that day.

of course i don't have a security clearance so i will never have access to info about what happened that day.

lates.

 

[johnnyla]

this is ridiculous. were not in the 1800's, or even 19's. There is a system and way to getting heard in this country. sure, its almost impossible. but killing is never the option. The only people affected by this are the poor family's of the officers.
< you think the pentagons gonna try to change ? or reform laws ? i dont think so.
< are masses of people now gonna go protest ? no.
this guy will be looked upon as a nutcase. which he was.

the world changed after 911. maybe they didn't kill enough people.

and yeah i don't condone random acts of violence and on innocents, but please, "never" ok to kill? do you pay taxes?

you paid other people to kill for you so you can put that juice in your metal chariot and drive to Starbucks. wake up.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

regardless of what WE think happend on 9/11..... i want to know what the fucking report says. what was on the 80+ pages of blacked out text???


if our govt wasnt responsible for it.... why are they doing everything they can to hide evidence? why was every security tape who happened to be pointed at or near the pentagon seized never to be seen again???

i can understand people not wanting to believe their goverment would do such a dispicable act, but how can you not ask even the simpliest questions about the worst terrorist attack in united states history???

 

[stasis]

Ladies and Germs, if the Founding Fathers were alive today, they would commit Suicide.. But, not before they took a few Radical Right-Wingers with them...!!!

If one lives in a place with a Do-Nothing scene, and a trashed economy to boot (like the Logging Industry, for whatever reason) it is ONE'S FAULT for staying there. People have, since time immemorial, had to travel for opp'ties when their perspective Economies have faltered. Life is Change. It tends to march on... Took me long enough to learn that one... lol.. Sheesh.

The Republicannots since Reagan (including Clinton, lol), GWB mostly with Greenspan and Bernanke have brought this on. BO is royally F'd... Doing the same as all the rest did... Not a great position for him to be in, but he was courageous and took the job.

All the Right-Wing Haters are getting to be a problem. These are the real Terrorists.

The You Ess Ay is like a bad comedy remake of Dukes of Hazzard. The Wild West Pot Growing Regions even worse than that...! hahah...

40amps sounds like one of the Many backwards-ass Fleabags in rural Snorecal.... Clinging to their precious weapons... Shining them up and down, up and down, like their ___s.... Lots of that wannabe BS talk is Bluster. They are just scared.... Psychologically, it is written all over their faces.. In their body language... But, they are not aware of it... Pretty funny.

Socially inept, they hurl threats at the drop of a hat.. And create enemies wherever they go...

But, regardless.. This Behaviour pattern is important to note, due to its' increasing prevalence in American Culture.... Aided by the fair-and-balanced non-news network.

The MO indicates a Stubborness, an isolationism. An inability to deal with Personal Challenges Effectively. And Personal Differences... lol... A typical behavioural pattern amongst people of this ilk. Most pronounced in small-town places.. Anger-Management problems... A fear of anyone or anything different than the mediocre norm. Terror of alternative lifestyles (other than drug and alcohol abuse) and people from other Cultures. That is part of why they live there in the first place...! Dee Dee Dee.

Yeah, Hotshot Jesse James, now you are getting dissected... Big talk begets Big Talk... Some of it based on rational thought, not hormones... Can you take it..? Or just Give it...? Lemme guess..... (as Popeye's Pipe blows hot steam out of the bowl... TOOOOOOOOOO !) nyuk-nyuk

If the Pentagon-shooter Dude was a Grower, he obviously Did not Smoke enough...... Rare is the Violent often-smoker.... Unless you take away the Chips, the Cake, or the Chocolate... lololol

How many of the civilian people who have used Guns in the past Century to commit atrocious acts were Booze-Fueled.....? Duh. LOTS. Maybe the majority..!?

 

[dagnabit]

^^^^^^

sorry but the usurpation of our freedoms is not a partisan issue (no matter how much you try and make it such)

both parties are equally guilty of the abomination that has become our overbloated federal government.

your name calling just serves to help them divide and conquer...

this sheep mentality you display IS the real problem with the complacent dumbed down populace..

ppl of this ilk are more interested in tearing down the opponents the media feeds them than opening their eyes to what our country was meant to be..

it is not the united states..its supposed to be these united states

 

[Skip]

If the Pentagon-shooter Dude was a Grower, he obviously Did not Smoke enough...... Rare is the Violent often-smoker.... Unless you take away the Chips or Chocolate... lololol

This is my point. His grow was busted, he moved back east, so he probably didn't have any cannabis, and perhaps that's what made him go crazy.

1. Cannabis is used by countless people to help reduce their violent tendencies.
2. Cannabis is used by countless people to help with their mental illnesses.
3. Removing cannabis from these people's lives will INCREASE their violence and their mental illness' effects.

So it's quite possible that this guy no longer having access to marijuana allowed his mental illness to come to the surface as well as his violent tendencies...

 

[cork144]

kid probably pissed off at the total injust in this world,


anybody who doesnt beleave the goverment wasnt complient in the attacks on 9/11 needs a reality check,

its called a false flag,

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

40amps sounds like one of the Many backwards-ass Rednecks in rural Snorecal.... Clinging to their precious weapons... Shining them up and down, up and down, like their ___.... Lots of that wannabe BS is most likely Bluster. But, regardless.. This MO is important, due to its' increasing prevalence in American Culture....

It indicates a Stubborness, an isolationism. An inability to deal with Personal Challenges Effectively. And Personal Differences... lol... A typical behavioural pattern amongst people of his ilk, in small-town places.. Anger-Management problems... A fear of anyone or anything different than the mediocre norm. Terror of alternative lifestyles (other than drug and alcohol abuse) and people from other Cultures. That is part of why they live there in the first place...! Dee Dee Dee.

If the Pentagon-shooter Dude was a Grower, he obviously Did not Smoke enough...... Rare is the Violent often-smoker.... Unless you take away the Chips or Chocolate... lololol

Protecting your freedom by means of physical violence is hardly a backwoods idea. Care to go around the world with me revolution by revolution?

Very judgmental are we? What if I was black? Or hispanic? Or asian? and grew up in a large city....in a nice home (originally)>very poor no family> not so nice projects and the not so wonderful world of government handouts>to school where I am today.

Seen the candy lady more than a few times in my years and always made sure my neighbors, who deserved it, lights were on as some did for me as well. I chose not to sell or cook flake and 'stacked up to get out' as some of us always said. I was lucky and had weed to deal with...others were not so lucky and I pray for them. Some chose to stay and I still have love for them and visit, while others had to stay, because they had too many family members or mouths of their own to feed and it keeps them stuck in the cycle.

The guy in the article may be crazy and wrong as I have not argued for or against him. All I have argued is that violence is indeed necessary sometimes, which is an argument contrary to the exact quote in my original post in this thread.

For more hardly backwoods, angry, or drug laden individuals:

Every act of government intervention limits the area of individual freedom directly and threatens the preservation of freedom directly...-Friedman

that the spirit of freedom beats too high in us to submit to slavery, and that...we are determined to shake off all connections with a state so unjust and unnatural. - George Washington

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -Thomas Jefferson

“The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. -Thomas Paine

Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. -Abraham Lincoln: Abraham Lincoln's speech to Illinois House of Representatives 18th of December 1840

If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Milton Friedman

The spreading awareness that more and more income is determined by government action will lead to ever new demands by groups whose position is still left to be determined by market forces for similar assurance of what they believe they deserve. -Hayek

The widespread use of the market reduces the strain on the social fabric by rendering conformity unnecessary with respect to any activities it encompasses. The wider the range of activities covered by the market, the fewer are the issues on which explicitly political decisions are required and hence on which it is necessary to achieve agreement. In turn, the fewer the issues on which agreement is necessary, the greater is the likelihood of getting agreement while maintaining a free society. -Friedman

The role of government just considered is to do something that the market cannot do for itself, namely, to determine, arbitrate, and enforce the rules of the game…-Friedman

If it could be justly contended that the existing institutions produce results which have been willed or approved by a majority, the believer in the basic principle of democracy would of course have to accept them. But there are strong reasons to think that what those institutions in fact produce is in a great measure an unintended outcome of the particular kind of machinery we set up to ascertain what we believe to be the will of the majority, rather than a deliberate decision of the majority or anybody else. -Hayek

The ultimate justification of the conferment of a power to coerce is that such a power is required if a viable order is to be maintained, and that all have therefore an interest in the existence of such a power. But this justification does not extend further than the need. There is clearly no need that anybody, not even the majority, should have power over all the particular actions or things occurring in society. -Hayek

I heard the bullets whistle, and, believe me, there is something charming in the sound. -George Washington

Plethora of other academics and leaders with the same mindset...

Hope everyone enjoyed the civic discourse this news topic sprung forth

 

[FreeMan]

I think we are going to see a lot more of this... Alex Jones and David Icke's Matrix 2 starting to take effect. I'm not saying governments aren't a corrupted sham, as they clearly are, but all we know about 9/11 is 2 planes went into 2 buildings, and 3 came down... THAT'S IT! The rest is media splurge, speculation and belief... where do you start to look for the truth in a great stinking pile of deceit? Certainly not a basis for shooting up innocents. For as many politicians you can gun down, there's a candidate waiting to fill his/her shoes with the same mind set. You could take out the whole building and you'd be back where you started the next day. They are just as sick as the guys voting for them, we're dealing with robots here.

the government needs to be reminded that they derive their power to govern from "the consent of the governed"

I think governments are more than aware of this, hence the the prohibiting of just about everything... It's the general population who need the reminder. If you don't like the way your representatives run your life, then take back control and deny your consent to be governed (freeman-on-the-land, expatriate, sovereign declaration etc). If you want to get out of the matrix you need to identify exactly what it is, trying to shoot your way out only proves the degree of your illusion.

 

[Bonghitz]

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. We should be thankful the "marijuana grower" angle is being left out of the story.

Anyone remember Reefer Madness?? Let's not give the media an excuse to put this nutjob's face on the anti-prohibition movement. This man must not represent us.

Case in point: Skip's "reduce their violent tendencies" argument. How easy would it be for the media to imply that these people wouldn't have any violent tendencies were they not "addicted" to marijuana?

 

[ChronJohn]

I have two things to say about this:
1. I come from the body of thought that says that killing or otherwise harming someone who has done no harm to you is fucked up. However, revenge is always justifiable. What this guy did wasn't revenge. it was stupid, because he went after people who really didn't have any say over his grievances. people who couldn't change anything anyways. And he went alone. Big mistake! There are plenty out there who will join you man! Concentrate our efforts where the blows will be felt the hardest! But no, instead he goes and shoots a couple police officers and accomplishes nothing. To me, that is a waste of life and he got what he had comin to him. He would have been a good soldier in the real coming revolution.
2. I like the debate this has sparked here. We here at ICMag talk of injustice, and oppression, and even, sometimes, revolution. But could we actually stomach to do it? Can all those tea partiers out there crying for a "revolution" actually stomach it? Do they have the cajones to pull the trigger and end an enemy life? Because when the revolution happens, there will be guns, and there will be blood. It took mere moments for thousands of years of cannabis utilization to be flushed down the drain when prohibition was voted into law. It has taken almost 70+ years to un-do it. We are closer now than ever before. And yet we are still so far. Due mostly to the incomprehensibly large amount of forces we are up against. The politicians and bureaucrats, the police officers and prison industrial complex, the drug lords and crime syndicates, the corporations (pharmaceutical, petro-chemical, oil, textiles, arms dealers that supply the pigs and gangs); they, and more, are all against the ending of the prohibition of our favorite plant, for reasons that all vary are all complex and yet all boil down to two things, both of which leads to the other: Power and Money. Do you think any of the above groups of people, which includes millions of our fellow citizens, will let peaceful protestors stand in the way of their money, or their power? Like they're just wake up one morning and say "all those people with signs outside my limousine really changed my mind, I'm going to call up all my prohibitionist buddies and we're gonna work together to end this prohibition thing. I'm just making too much money off the backs of cannabis users!" Fuuuuuck noooo! They will continue to turn a blind eye to the injustice: the 800,000 of us arrested every year, the thousands that die at the hand of a trigger happy thug in Blue, the millions of family members who can only see their baby on Saturday and Sunday afternoons for an hour or so, all because of a plant? Which these fuckers' "God" supposedly put here for us to spread all over the earth? And utilize every aspect of it, from the flowers to the stalks to the seeds. This plant is a miracle and to hold it in any less of a light is ignorant and shows a real lack of intelligence. That people who believe otherwise are literally running our country into the ground, with the consent of every voting American, is absolutely sickening and is absolutely grounds for justifying violent action against our government, which long ago broke from the role the founding fathers intended. Our founding fathers once said, when facing the largest super-power in the world at that time, that "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government". How much more fucked up does our gov't need to get before we get it through our heads that we need a revolution. We are long overdue. I am biding my time, watching and waiting, the government has been good at covering up its mistakes so far, at least good enough to keep the populace at bay, and mostly docile.. but they will fuck up soon, and many innocents will die because of it, and the people will then see that violence against our government is most definitely justified. Silence is consent, and too many in our gov't are consenting to the abolishing of our freedoms, through the War on Drugs or the War on Terror, and that is despicable. When the revolution comes, I will have the mercy to ask if they want to speak up now, or forever hold their peace.. more than they ever did for me..

40Amps I'm with you all the way man, I don't fucking appreciate seeing my family watch on in horror as im thrown to the ground by 3 pigs and have 2 assault rifles inches from my head and my arms twisted behind my back when im not even armed... all over the flowers off a plant?? Fuck that.. if you're ever barricading yourself into your house cuz the feds are after you and your plants.. give chronjohn a call and you got yourself a small army on your side... be easy and be safe everyone

 

[whodi]

There will be blood.

 

[pushlimits]

People have there own "truths" and interpretations for everything. It does not matter what you belive in. He was a "Truther" who Fu@#$% cares, that is his own stupidity, let him think that. People belive in UFO's, Scientology, zombies, reptilian imposters, the list goes on,
Stupid.....YES,
Crazy..... possibly,
wrong....... NO, that is there belief let them have it! it's a free contry thats why I love it

But when you go killing people, thats when it becomes a problem, your a psychopath and should be delt with accordingly, with the strictest punishment possible!

NO Psychologist in the world will tell you it's wrong to get angery, but it's how you deal with that anger that causes a problem. same with stupidity, being stupid is not a crime let him think what he wants, it's the psychopatic behavior attached to his stupidity that makes it wrong on many levels! I think drug prohibition is wrong, but I would never shot innocent people because of it!

 

[Bonghitz]

There's a lot on the table right now. It's very easy to be pessimistic and sometimes it takes more balls to be hopeful. Don't consider killing people--the enemy is policy, not people. Be patient--are we not closer to ending prohibition now than ever before? The problem with this shooter is that he took it personally, or just gave up on life altogether. That's no way to change anything.

 

[Herbasaurus]

Pentagon shooter had a history of mental illness

Pentagon shooter had a history of mental illness

Trying to tie this guys actions to Marijuana is not only misplaced but it plays right into the hands of the prohibitionists. Do we really want to argue that this guy did this because of Marijuana or because they took his marijuana away. What is this "Reefer madness II"?

Defining this guy as a "grower" and some sort of freedom fighter is doing a huge disservice to real growers and activists. This guy was mentally ill that is should be his primary definition. The fact that he was a grower, a Lutheran or a cookie eater is not an accurate way to summarize his life or this incident.

And contrary to some people's belief that marijuana is both an always harmless substance or universal panacea, marijuana is known to aggravate some psychiatric conditions, borderline psychosis being one of them. In fact if you read the news story below, the symptoms his psychiatrist cites, " disinhibition, agitation and fearfullness " are classic signs of a strong haze.

The following news story just broke.

Pentagon shooter had a history of mental illness
By TRACIE CONE and BROOKE DONALD, Associated Press Writer Tracie Cone And Brooke Donald, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 8 mins ago

HOLLISTER, Calif. – The man who opened fire in front of the Pentagon had a history of mental illness and had become so erratic that his parents reached out to local authorities weeks ago with a warning that he was unstable and might have a gun, authorities said Friday.

It's still unclear why John Patrick Bedell opened fire Thursday at the Pentagon entrance, wounding two police officers before he was fatally shot. The two officers were hospitalized briefly with minor injuries.

Bedell was diagnosed as bipolar, or manic depressive, and had been in and out of treatment programs for years. His psychiatrist, J. Michael Nelson, said Bedell tried to self-medicate with marijuana, inadvertently making his symptoms more pronounced.

"Without the stabilizing medication, the symptoms of his disinhibition, agitation and fearfullness complicated the lack of treatment," Nelson said.

His parents reported him missing Jan. 4, a day after a Texas Highway Patrol officer stopped him for speeding in Texarkana. Bedell told the highway patrolman he was heading to the East Coast, and began acting strangely — sitting on his knees by the side of the highway and turning off his cell phone when it would ring.

Bedell said it was his mother calling, prompting the patrolman to answer the phone and talk briefly with her. Family friend Reb Monaco said Kaye Bedell asked the officer to take him to a mental health facility, but that the son refused.

The patrolman let Bedell go after issuing a speeding ticket and a citation for possession of drug paraphernalia, including a pipe and a green plastic box with marijuana residue.

The next day, Kaye told deputies in California that her son had no reason to travel to the East Coast because he had no friends or family there and she and her husband were worried about his mental state, San Benito County Sheriff Curtis Hill said.

Hill also said Bedell's parents found an e-mail from their son that indicated he had made a $600 purchase from a shooting range in the Sacramento area that could have been a gun or ammunition.

The 36-year-old Bedell returned to his parent's home Jan. 18, telling them "not to ask any questions" about where he had been. But he left after that, and his parents didn't know where he went.

Little is known about his trip east, but authorities know he spent time in Reno, where Washoe County Sheriff Mike Haley said he was arrested on Feb. 1 with two ounces of marijuana in his car but no weapons.

The Bedell family put out a statement Friday saying they were "devastated as a family by the news."

"We may never know why he made this terrible decision," the statement said. "One thing is clear though — his actions were caused by an illness and not a defective character."

Investigators were trying to unravel a bizarre series of Internet postings that suggested Bedell was fascinated with conspiracy theories, computer programming, libertarian economics and the science of warfare.

Curiously, Bedell also proposed in 2004 that the Pentagon fund his own research on smart weapons. The 28-page proposal outlined his idea for DNA nanotechnology research that might "provide significant new capabilities for the Department of Defense and the individual warfighter.".......

full story - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100305/ap_on_re_us/us_pentagon_metro_shooting

 

[bombadil.360]

... where do you start to look for the truth in a great stinking pile of deceit? Certainly not a basis for shooting up innocents. For as many politicians you can gun down, there's a candidate waiting to fill his/her shoes with the same mind set. You could take out the whole building and you'd be back where you started the next day. They are just as sick as the guys voting for them, we're dealing with robots here.



I think governments are more than aware of this, hence the the prohibiting of just about everything... It's the general population who need the reminder. If you don't like the way your representatives run your life, then take back control and deny your consent to be governed (freeman-on-the-land, expatriate, sovereign declaration etc). If you want to get out of the matrix you need to identify exactly what it is, trying to shoot your way out only proves the degree of your illusion.

great post, k+

shooting innocent people can never be justified.

self-defense when someone is intently attacking you is a whole different world than what the shooter in question did.

the shooter is insane; and there are no valid excuses.

we want cannabis to be legal, but I don't want innocent people to die over the frustrations of the insane, that is for sure.

peace