Artificial Cannabis Anyone?

[meduser180056]

well said moonchild... That is one of the scarier aspects of the whole thing. Suppose they sold me something else. I'm willing to take the risk though as I have a pretty reliable vendor that likes the stuff himself so he's the guinea pig. He does get his shipments from China though pretty sure. Luckily all the vendor actually sells is JWH-018. Still a risk though. Also there are a lot of different batches out there goin around from what I hear some purer than others making dosing even harder to do. A more pure mix may only need 1-3mg to be very strong whereas a less pure JWH could be more like 5-10 mg for the same effect.

Anybody who is even thinking of trying this better do their homework. Read about all the bad trips people have had from taking too much and that should be enough to scare away most folks or at least make you very cautious. Idiots will be idiots though and like moonchild said darwinism takes care of that.

 

[Hammerhead]

just because it's legal means nothing. Go get a can of dust off and see how long you live. This is legal. If Leo sees you doing this he can not do anything they will give the can back to ya. Just use real 100% cannabis why take the risk I dont get it.

 

[Bass Akwards]

"Misconstrued" beats "Deeply Screwed"

"Misconstrued" beats "Deeply Screwed"

there is really no need for sympathy "better than thou" talk.

Take a long, hard, look in the mirror before you take that step.

The two greatest predictors, both positive and negative, of drug induced altered states of consciousness are "set" and "setting".

No matter what "study" is pulled up online, bad chemistry and bogus business go hand in hand.

You'll never know, until it's too late.

"Better than thou" ... no.

Certainly "More prudent than thou.".

 

[meduser180056]

I tried the stuff and all I can really say at this point is that it's really weird. I don't see how it could really be a substitute unless you were really desperate. It's kinda similar to cannabis but not really at all. I know shitty description.

Plus if you take too much it's all bad i mean really bad increased heartrate trouble breathing and extreme anxiety. Plus some of the overdose reports out there are scary. People report blacking out, vomiting, total disorientation, feeling like their skin is on fire, etc.

I did get cottonmouth, munchies and it helped with sleeping so some cannabis like effects there. Not worth the risk though.

I have access to plenty of great bud, hash, oil , edibles whatever I want really so this stuff doesn't really have a use for me.

I tried the JWH-018 which is one of the strongest of the series.

 

[hamstorg]

How bout dying?

In Romania,these just got banned,and unfortunately before they could be banned,people died.

Yep,they bought magic,and spice and other powder bullshits,and injected them.
One guy just smoked a joint made of this synthetic bullshit,he passed out and ended up in the hospital.

 

[meduser180056]

Wow injecting that stuff would be nuts...

I've heard that Russia has a lot of this stuff going around? One vendor mentioned that he gets something like 500 emails a day from Russia asking if he can ship kilos of the powder over there. Probably Russian mafia trying to take advantage... Must be real dry out there.

 

[Bass Akwards]

The Market Will Determine Direction

The Market Will Determine Direction

This becomes a very, very, interesting economic question.

If there's a market for this ... shit, then the Russian / East Euro-Trash underground will be cranking it out like popcorn, fast & cheap.

( Russia is well known for especially funky drug crazes, on top of an already horrid national vodka habit. )

The competition will be ... what? Opiates? Hash?

There's never been enough decent Hash making it to Europe.

Spanish outdoor growers can't keep up with European demand.

Almost all indoor farmers are small scale, local, and secretive.

Only "real" criminals can make and move weight, and if the public develops a taste for this stuff, and the markup is higher, and the hassle lower, ... Europe better get used to smoking "chem-dust" or growing their own.

 

[re9volt]

no thanks

no thanks

 

[Teefers]

Agreed with re9volt. Chemicals will never match up with the real thing IMO. Its getting alot of coverage in the news here so it won't be long before its gone.

 

[meduser180056]

From my limited experience with the 018 I must say it seems really toxic and dangerous. Maybe it's just the batch i got, but I wouldn't consider using this stuff even if I didn't have access to buds and everything. Stuff is weird. I was feeling the effects of it the next day when I would smoke my buds. It was still in my system. Too weird, unknown, and dangerous for me.

 

[texsativa]

One thing to consider is the kinetics of thc and 018 binding. 018 I believe is more potent and has a shorter half life than THC, which means it is going to be a much worse withdrawal. This is rebound. For instance, if you stop taking high blood pressure meds, your blood pressure will increase. Or in a different way, the difference between heroin and methedone.

 

[alexie1]

hey ya´ll,course we tried it,we are scandinavian got damnit..no seriously talking it´s handy when you in jail here..no way to detect it...yet..kinda head/body stone..but i sure do prefer a nice sativa anyday

peace!

Cause every time I go to try to leave
Someone keeps pullin' on my sleeve
I don't wanna, but I gotta stay
These drugs really got a hold of me

'Cause every time I try to tell them "no"
They won't let me ever let them go
I'm a sucker all I gotta say
These drugs really got a hold of me


-get high and fly,thats what i do-

 

[Lazyman]

Me and a few friends tried it last night, we were all baked and suitably impressed. Just like smoking weed to me, and lasted for a good 5-6 hours. I don't see using it on a regular basis, but i got it for a couple buddies that are getting drug-tested.

 

[feral]

I wonder if this is the stuff the news was talking about yesterday. Seems 3 kids were smoking " chemically produced pot" and one of them went into seizures and LEO was called. Didn't pay to much attention to the report but it's on all the DC news stations.

 

[Hammerhead]

it was on the new last night here in Cali as well.

 

[T-type]

I have been using jwh018 on a frequent basis for about 2 weeks now. I don't claim to know if I'm going to live or die from this.

I don't use a scale to measure out the dose. I do have a "miligram" scale, but it isn't accurate enough to weigh out these small amounts anyways.

People that speak of the "Fear" have probably not been abusing their cannaboid receptors for years like the people on ICMAG.

Jwh has given me nausea, the only side effect I noticed... Very mild though, no gagging or throwing up just nausea.

The effects of jwh018 are pretty much exactly like weed, just more intense. There is no ceiling (that i have found) and if you smoke too much, you will not be comfortable. This stuff is holding me over quite nicely until harvest time.

If I had good weed I would not smoke this stuff. I don't at the moment and this makes days a little more bearable.

I am almost out and I'll let you guys know about the withdrawl. I am not sure if I will have one, but there is no drug out there you can take as often as I have taken this and not experience withdrawls.

Honestly I am scared that my homegrown might not do the trick after this powerful stuff has been raping my receptors for a few weeks now.

Anyway. It's good stuff. It might kill you? No one actually knows. It is much cheaper than weed. It tastes like plastic. It is legal (Probably not actually legal due to federal analog act). You can get it shipped to your door in 2 days.

I'm alive, and high.

Will I look back and regret this... Maybe...

EDIT: I thought I would mention this... People think they know what 5 milligrams looks like because they take a 20mg pill their doctor gives them. Pill have filler material in them and weigh significantly more than the listed active ingredient. I think this should be common knowledge, but I watched someone about to pack up roughly 3 or 4 times more than they needed and their logic was they know how much a 20 mg pill is.

 

[ChronJohn]

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[Ras Mason]

wow!