APE - Pollen Extractor 2.0

[AquaLabTech]

Funny.. you guys emailed me asking to carry Sprung Bags. Now because they aren't priced for distribution they are suddenly 'cheap imitations'. LOL. Don't you guys have your own line of bags too, now? The '420 bags' -- are those 'cheap imitations' as well?

And I have no idea how rainbow colored bag sets are a "TREMENDOUS HELP" ... you've gotta be completely illiterate to not be able to read the micron tag sewn into the bag. Another sorry excuse for ludicrous profit margin.

Anyways back to the APE.. I think it looks great, having not seen it in person.

We emailed asking about pricing, to understand what your company is about, like we do with alot of companies.

To correct you, NO 420 bags is not made by Aqua Lab Technologies, it is made by 420 bags out of North Carolina.

For coloring of the bag, this used to have to do with the material in each bag for the 220 micron bag was a thicker material then the 25 micron bag on some of the original sets, due to the 220 bag being the ¨work¨bag.
If you have worked alot with the bags, then having them different colors, helps with time and not having to search every bag for the micron tag, it also guranntees that you use the right bag, for the color is a reminder.

Tell the truth, if you added distributor prices and wholesale prices to your prices, the retail cost would be more than Bubble Bags and any other bag out there?? For your 5 bag set!!

What is your opinion on having the extra 3 bags? Waste of money?

Aqua Lab Tech

 

[AquaLabTech]

it would of been nice to find out a little more about the APE .. . . anyone else want to chime in on it? let's talk rpm of the drum.. what's optimum and what is this run at?



and as far as copy cats go.. buck up chamba.. copy cats are everywhere for a reason.. not everyone can spend to buy a bmw so thats why hyndai knocks off all the companies a little.. because a regular girl is never gonna drive a real benz.

if your rich.. you can still be happy paying more for service and having a complete disaster when the technology that wasnt sorted out before going to market blows up on you. all euro cars have always had some massive eletric disaster. thank you for jap cars.

thing is first person to a market place with a new product will not be able to stay in business for long if they dont have real patents protecting their ideas.. thats a good thing.. otherwise only a much smaller portion of the population will get an oppurtunity to enjoy it for a handful of reasons.

i guess there are downsides to only one person becoming rich off of idea. and thats why patents run out too.

sorry not trying to be negative.. i feel that not only will drum kiefers become cheaper over time they will also become better engineered to keep up with the market place. thats technology moving forward.. and me likey.

I would like to divulge more information about the machine, but I am not the manufacturer and do not want to help other people copy the machine after APE has put there time,labor and $$$$ into there own R&D.


Aqua Lab Tech

 

[Chamba]

I would like to divulge more information about the machine, but I am not the manufacturer and do not want to help other people copy the machine after APE has put there time,labor and $$$$ into there own R&D.


Aqua Lab Tech

With all due respect Aqua Lab, the APE is hardly revolutionary in it's design, you already mention the type of motor Here's a few questions that won't reveal their secrets...it's just standard info one would expect to read before buying..or one could see themselves if they saw it in a shop.

My suggestion is to ask your supplier these and other questions and then post their answer. That would be helpful, not to the copy cats, but to potential buyers here

what are the dimensions of the machine?(LxWxH)
what are the dimensions of the cylinder (L x Diam)
what is the RPM of the cylinder?
are other mesh sizes available?
does dust get inbetween the drawer and the inside floor of the unit?
does the drawer have an actual glass mirror or is it shiny metal?
will the rollers (that powers the cylinder) develop a build up of resin?
is the access door to the cylinder a force fit (red) plastic cap
..etc


I think it's important that the prospective buyer knows what size the thing is.
I bet the RPM is slow to match the wide open 180 micron mesh...it's probably in the 15 ~20 RPM range.
How long can the unit be run for at the one time?, can it run for just an hour or overnight without problems like over heating etc?
it would be a good idea if other mesh sizes are available, cos not every one wants to dry sift with a 180u mesh (which is around 85 lines per inch mesh?), some would prefer the better quality and purity that a 150 micron, 135 micron or even 125 micron meshes to tumble with would offer.

what's the bet there will be just as many tumblers on offer in a year or two as there are different sets of bubble bags available now.

 

[Chamba]

for those complaining about off topic posts....lol ...get used to it, this is a cannabis site and cannabis smokers like myself reserve the right to go off on a tangent (off-topic or otherwise)...you as a reader have the choice of reading or not reading each post.

 

[Vorsprung]

We emailed asking about pricing, to understand what your company is about, like we do with alot of companies.

To correct you, NO 420 bags is not made by Aqua Lab Technologies, it is made by 420 bags out of North Carolina.

For coloring of the bag, this used to have to do with the material in each bag for the 220 micron bag was a thicker material then the 25 micron bag on some of the original sets, due to the 220 bag being the ¨work¨bag.
If you have worked alot with the bags, then having them different colors, helps with time and not having to search every bag for the micron tag, it also guranntees that you use the right bag, for the color is a reminder.

Tell the truth, if you added distributor prices and wholesale prices to your prices, the retail cost would be more than Bubble Bags and any other bag out there?? For your 5 bag set!!

What is your opinion on having the extra 3 bags? Waste of money?

Aqua Lab Tech

nah I could cut current price in half for wholesale price if i wanted... only problem is even with 100% margin for the retailers it's not the same profit margin as they get with bubble bags...so it's somewhat of a 'why bother' situation from both sides.

it really has just been a side project... 5 bags offered the best balance of 'options' and affordability.

all things said i got nothing but respect for you guys.. you run a good company and are a good medical supply resource in CA. I actually wouldn't mind visiting your retail location one of these days and shooting the shit.

 

[krk]

For coloring of the bag, this used to have to do with the material in each bag for the 220 micron bag was a thicker material then the 25 micron bag on some of the original sets, due to the 220 bag being the ¨work¨bag.
If you have worked alot with the bags, then having them different colors, helps with time and not having to search every bag for the micron tag, it also guranntees that you use the right bag, for the color is a reminder.

Aqua Lab Tech

So some people are so smart that they can memorize the bag colors? wow!
Then if there smart enough for that how come there not smart enough to mix in a separate 5 gal bucket then dump it into there bucket with the bags in it?

220 work bag? lol Just goes to show you how little hash some have really made. Why work in your bag? Thats for peeps with small brains. Along with the colors. If you need colors your most likely not compitent enough for hash making...

Its funny how bubbleman earses any thread that dosent brag up his gear. I guess this is just a big promotion forum for bubblebags only.

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Chamba, it is a process patent. No mater how you screen it or whatever, the patent covers the whole process. Icewater extraction as we know it all originated from Reinhard, Sam had nothing to do with Icewater extraction. I've spoken personally with Reinhard many times and his original intent was not to get rich but to spread the knowlege until Mila went behind his back to capitalize on his idea. I've never read Ice wars but like others have said read it if you don't believe what we are saying. While you're at it ask Bubbleman if he has been hit up for his 8% patent royalties yet. I would like to know as the rumor mill says many of the bag manufacturers have been asked to pay royalties. Reinhard, is a very humble person and will answer any question you ask. Icecold.org is his site.

Now as a side note and it would be interesting to see if anyone remembers: A couple years ago Reinhard was posting on here defending himself but was banned shortly thereafter. I can't find the thread.

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Shibby Dobbins wrote "If he legitimately patented the technique before others, why would he be the asshole? He has the right to do what he's doing (assuming his claims are true). Nothin wrong with that... "

so true

for more info on Patents and searches go to the excellent US Patents and Trademarks site

http://www.uspto.gov/index.html

http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html

and do a search under the inventor's name...this will lead you to the patent which will, if you can read patentese well enough, tell you all about what is covered...

I couldn't find the article and his site has no info about Patent numbers or other claims....I tried searching "Joseph R Pietri " at the US Patents and Trademark site and found no results...

but I remember I tried searching the ice extraction method quite a few years ago (??)and came across a Patent that covered the ice hash process....I forget when it was issued..but there's def an existing Patent out there that covers the bag process.....I couldn't access the link/story..could someone please C&P that story, sil vous plait

Did you write that Chamba? Whats the confusion? http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=24969&highlight=wedding+dress+prices

I stated earlier I couldn't find the thread, but that link is the thread and Will who is listed as banned is Reinhard

 

[Elemental]

Hey Chef!thanks for the link above^^^

good lecture for sure especially for ALL the users like me who joined one year after..........

Glad to see ILIFE posting!

i miss all of your contribute on the Italian section!

thanks again!

 

[mrred]

it should be 400$ cheaper

 

[Chamba]

Chamba, it is a process patent. No mater how you screen it or whatever, the patent covers the whole process.

the patent was granted in 2000, Sahdu Sam advertised the recipe for ice water extraction in '86 or '87? This is called "Prior Art" and is probably why the patent owner hasn't gone to court but instead is trying (I assume) to scare bag makers into paying a royalty.

Icewater extraction as we know it all originated from Reinhard, Sam had nothing to do with Icewater extraction. I've spoken personally with Reinhard many times and his original intent was not to get rich but to spread the knowlege until Mila went behind his back to capitalize on his idea. I've never read Ice wars but like others have said read it if you don't believe what we are saying.

I did bookmark it and will get to it soon and read it all the way through..but I've heard others closer to this that have read it and their comments were that this is just a one sided version of the story.

While you're at it ask Bubbleman if he has been hit up for his 8% patent royalties yet. I would like to know as the rumor mill says many of the bag manufacturers have been asked to pay royalties. Reinhard, is a very humble person and will answer any question you ask. Icecold.org is his site.

Now as a side note and it would be interesting to see if anyone remembers: A couple years ago Reinhard was posting on here defending himself but was banned shortly thereafter. I can't find the thread.

banned...yeah I think I remember his obnoxious, hysterical posts full of half truths and other wank. Most people here laughed at him and his silly, overpriced contraption with one mesh while telling everyone that Mila, Bubbleman and others were filthy cheating lying scumbags and mesh bags were a stupid waste of time and hash??.

It's not easy to get banned here, but he managed to do it. A little gentle spamming is tolerated if you are not a wanker, but he came here with the wrong attitude

So, has this friend of yours actually taken anyone to court or is he still bluffing? He better watch out as it's not impossible for those selling ice water bags to group together and challenge this Patent and shut him up for good.

That patent in questions protects his single mesh funnel contraption, not ice water extraction in general, if he did then there would been court cases already (as the Patent is already 10 years old) . Just because a patent (that claims everything including heaven and earth!) is granted doesn't mean it cannot be challenged and beaten. The problem many patent applicants make is over-claiming which weakens, not strengthens their claim.

 

[Chamba]

I couldn't find the article and his site has no info about Patent numbers or other claims....I tried searching "Joseph R Pietri " at the US Patents and Trademark site and found no results...

but I remember I tried searching the ice extraction method quite a few years ago (??)and came across a Patent that covered the ice hash process....I forget when it was issued..but there's def an existing Patent out there that covers the bag process.....I couldn't access the link/story..could someone please C&P that story, sil vous plait
Did you write that Chamba? Whats the confusion? http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...g+dress+prices

I stated earlier I couldn't find the thread, but that link is the thread and Will who is listed as banned is Reinhard

There's lots of Patents with wide claims..for example some guy in the USA patented Indian Basmatii rice..lol, try and enforce that Patent in India! The same applies here with this patent, just cos he claims heaven and earth doesn't mean it's enforcible. Just because I said I remember reading the claims in his patent doesn't mean that Bubbleman, Mila and the others should be shaking in their boots and doesn't mean I agree with it.

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

I'm done hijacking this thread and reiterating things constantly

 

[Chamba]

Chamba, it is a process patent. No mater how you screen it or whatever, the patent covers the whole process. Icewater extraction as we know it all originated from Reinhard, Sam had nothing to do with Icewater extraction. I've spoken personally with Reinhard many times and his original intent was not to get rich but to spread the knowlege until Mila went behind his back to capitalize on his idea. I've never read Ice wars but like others have said read it if you don't believe what we are saying. While you're at it ask Bubbleman if he has been hit up for his 8% patent royalties yet. I would like to know as the rumor mill says many of the bag manufacturers have been asked to pay royalties. Reinhard, is a very humble person and will answer any question you ask. Icecold.org is his site.

Now as a side note and it would be interesting to see if anyone remembers: A couple years ago Reinhard was posting on here defending himself but was banned shortly thereafter. I can't find the thread.

I just re-read that thread you posted, you can't be seriously thinking of aligning yourself with the Will and his contraption or his iffy Patent can you or his habit of posting real names of people he doesn't like?......I suggest you re-read the posts made by Sam Skunkman in that thread...he says it all.

btw whatever happened to Will and his Extractor machine? Did he attend the HT Cannabis Cup?

 

[AquaLabTech]

Get it Straight

Get it Straight

Chamba, it is a process patent. No mater how you screen it or whatever, the patent covers the whole process.

the patent was granted in 2000, Sahdu Sam advertised the recipe for ice water extraction in '86 or '87?

Reinhards patent uses ICE. If you do not use ice and just use cold water you are not breaking his patent. Hence take the word Ice out of the instructions and descriptions and there is not a problem.

Sadu Sams instructions did not use Ice, just water,a jar, weed, time and a coffee filter.


Aqua Lab Tech

 

[krk]

Chamba, it is a process patent. No mater how you screen it or whatever, the patent covers the whole process. Icewater extraction as we know it all originated from Reinhard, Sam had nothing to do with Icewater extraction. I've spoken personally with Reinhard many times and his original intent was not to get rich but to spread the knowlege until Mila went behind his back to capitalize on his idea. I've never read Ice wars but like others have said read it if you don't believe what we are saying. While you're at it ask Bubbleman if he has been hit up for his 8% patent royalties yet. I would like to know as the rumor mill says many of the bag manufacturers have been asked to pay royalties. Reinhard, is a very humble person and will answer any question you ask. Icecold.org is his site.

Now as a side note and it would be interesting to see if anyone remembers: A couple years ago Reinhard was posting on here defending himself but was banned shortly thereafter. I can't find the thread.

Ya bubbleman has a strangle hold on this forums anything he dosent like gets the boot right away...He is not a believer in free speach. Sometimes it seems its all about his bag sales anything that is posted that may hurt his sales is axed right away. He makes a real good bag, and so do others. I have had my threads come up missing and some posts removed. Just for mentioning someone elses bags... So to keep myself around I always say his bags are "just" as good. Just look at that stupid dry sift post shit where he talks up Sam's imaginary shift...wooo wee who the fuck cares for something we will never know about....

Hey I have a space rocket that I use all the time but you cant see it...

 

[Chamba]

krk...... No one gets a post removed unless they are trying really hard to be obnoxious, stupid, wrong or are being blatantly spammish...actually it's quite difficult to have a post deleted unless you are a complete wanker and another member complains to a mod. It's quite possible that it was one of the other dozen or so mods that erased your posts, not BM as he doesn't spend a lot of time here.

and regarding Sam's dry sift threads : If it wasn't for Bubbleman's first thread about Sam's 99.99% pure dry sift, you, I and most others here wouldn't even know about it. Bubbleman doesn't know how it's made, but he has smoked it and photographed it so we could drool over it, be inspired and try to get near that purity...if you read the thread(s), you would know that, so don't blame him for posting it, blame Sam for not sharing the method if you need to diss anyone.

Hey I have a space rocket that I use all the time but you cant see it...

what you should of written was " Hey I have a space rocket, here are the photos, but I don't know how to fly it"

 

[webehi]

I just got my APE and it is beautiful. It is well worth the 500, and if you think thats too much go build your own plywood enclosed or rubbermaid piece of shit like the other ones available out there. This is the only tumbler on the market that is built to any quality standards. It spins very fast and pretty quiet. Yes the cap is a thin peice of milkcap plastic but that is the only low quality you will find on this whole machine. Also the rollers did stop gripping when they got dusty but I put a thin layer of rightstuff gasket maker round the collar of the drum and its worked great since then. I can't believe people rave about the tumblenow, it looks like a 12 year old kid built the fucking thing in shop class. And the okeif after how many years of production still looks like it was built from about 60 bucks worth of home depot parts. This well engineered peice of machinery deserves some praise, not scorn from you who can't admit you spent 400 bucks on something barely functional and just plain ugly to look at, and balking at the price tag by those of you who would actually compare it to a fucking rotisserie. My APE and Piecemaker both make me feel like I gave my money to encourage the continued production of aestheticly pleasing products of the highest quality. There is already too much garbage in the world.

 

[Chamba]

Yes the cap is a thin peice of milkcap plastic but that is the only low quality you will find on this whole machine. Also the rollers did stop gripping when they got dusty but I put a thin layer of rightstuff gasket maker round the collar of the drum and its worked great since then. I can't believe people rave about the tumblenow, i

I can't believe you are raving about a $500 tumbler that seems to spin too fast and isn't engineered right. The Tumble Now is $350 with two meshes (S/S cylinder mesh) and other better features works great.....the APE costs $150 more and they should fix that slipping drive wheel at the factory and replace the crappy plastic cap with metal or wood.

The Tumble Now and the APE are available from Aqualabtechnologies.com..check them out

 

[JRace]

Yes the cap is a thin peice of milkcap plastic but that is the only low quality you will find on this whole machine. Also the rollers did stop gripping when they got dusty but I put a thin layer of rightstuff gasket maker round the collar of the drum and its worked great since then. I can't believe people rave about the tumblenow, it looks like a 12 year old kid built the fucking thing in shop class. And the okeif after how many years of production still looks like it was built from about 60 bucks worth of home depot parts. ...<snip>... My APE and Piecemaker both make me feel like I gave my money to encourage the continued production of aestheticly pleasing products of the highest quality. There is already too much garbage in the world.

So a $350 tumbler that needs no modification to use is somehow a rip off compared to a $500 tumbler that needs modifications in order to run?