Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[Bad_Replicant]

Thanks BurnOne. Have I thanked you for this great thread yet?

Your clones need to be very well rooted and healthy before transplanting them into LC's Mix using blood/bone/kelp.
Burn1

Does that mean you'd recommend transplanting from the 64 Oz. cups into plain mix for a time? I have some 1 gallon pots I could use for that purpose.

Or is it enough for them to have filled out the 64 Oz. cups with roots and to have begun showing some growth/vigor above ground? Their final homes will be either 3 gallon bags or 5 gallon pots.

 

[staff11]

Ok I know it is hard to explain so I will post some pictures.

Second five pictures is the plant is the one I have had trouble with since just about day one. The first three pictures is the other which is pretty dang healthy and like a freaking bush with twin towers. They are in 3 gallon pots with LC#2 mix and I have been feeding them teas. there is some tip burn on both and a lot of yellowing/spotting going on one of them. The lighting was with 7 42 watt cfl's over the top (2 6500k, 5 2700k) and 6 T-8 floro tubes of mixed spectrum on the back side of the closet.(just a bunch of lighting I had laying around...) I recently switched to a 250 watt hps for the last 3 weeks or so. The first three weeks of flower were done with the CFL's on top. The plants are both at the end of 6 weeks 12/12 today.

I'm not sure how to post the pictures in the thread but i can post them in my album.

The second five is the problem girl, but who knows maybe it's just running it's course?

The first three is the plant that seems like it will take longer to finish, but is looking decent.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?u=127592

 

[hippie_lettuce]

Thanks BurnOne for all this info. My seedlings are doing really well so far..lush and healthy and I really think it has something to do with switching our soil..

 

[jaykush]

My question is, is the soil still good? Can I just wait until its totally dry and add water I'm sure is free of Cl?

top dress with some castings and use good water from here on out and your golden. you didnt kill everything in your soil. not possible with just tap water.

This is sorta off topic but I'd like to get a little airpump to bubble water and teas eventually. I dont know anything about them so what kind of price range am I looking at? Can I just use a really small aquarium pump?

only use a small pump if you plan on doing small batches of tea. you really want the water turning and bubbling, not just a few bubbles on top. if its all you can afford get the strongest pump you can get, then brew in one gallon batches. and if need be. dilute those to cover all your plants. otherwise save some cash for a good pump.

 

[FlaDankster]

Bongaloids Guano Mix


Is this a mix for the plants entire cycle also or is it geared more towards a veg or flower mix?

Thanks

 

[Pineydoobey]

Nice thread, haven't had time to read all of it but what I have seen is very captivating. Ok.... So what does MSM stand for? Sorry if it's already been explained.. But, like I said I haven't had time to read the whole thread.

Happy tokin'

-Tokeazy


^^(I got that nickname the other day and wanted to use it)

 

[Chimney]

abc123

 

[vonforne]

Thanks BurnOne. Have I thanked you for this great thread yet?



Does that mean you'd recommend transplanting from the 64 Oz. cups into plain mix for a time? I have some 1 gallon pots I could use for that purpose.

Or is it enough for them to have filled out the 64 Oz. cups with roots and to have begun showing some growth/vigor above ground? Their final homes will be either 3 gallon bags or 5 gallon pots.

Hey BR, Nice plants in the photo album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A+

if your roots are that developed.....transplant. Other wise do not disturb them. You can look just be careful when you remove them from the container.

If there has been no growth above them the roots have not developed yet.

V

 

[vonforne]

Thanks for commenting V. I have 3 flavors of Guano "Sunleaves" Mexican (10-2-1), "Sunleaves" Jamaican" (1-10-0.2) and Happy Frog (0-5-0 w/mycorrhizae).

So you think they may be thirsty for a bit of N or P?

Ya, just a bit. I would try EWC tea first. Then a bit of guano if that is ineffective. Maybe a combination of Jamaican and EWC would work.

V

 

[Metatron]

I just recently mixed LC mix 2 to the dot, ended up using FFOF and I got my dolomite lime. I didn't wet or let cook for 2 weeks. I just transplanted 4 clones to cups and two of my girls are having Mg def. already. It's definitely Mg because the yellowing is on the larger part of leaf with green veins.

I'm running out to the store first thing in the morning for some epsom salt and will mix a Mg supplement.

But what about the rest of my mix? Do I need to let it cook or wet it, or possibly add more dolomite lime?

Thanks in advance

M-

 

[Bad_Replicant]

if your roots are that developed.....transplant. Other wise do not disturb them. You can look just be careful when you remove them from the container.

If there has been no growth above them the roots have not developed yet.

V

Thanks Mr. vonforne! I love the positivity, creativity and helpfulness on this board. It really reflects well on we marijuana enthusiasts. I can't wait to accumulate some knowledge to give back.

Cheers!

 

[MrBaker]

I just recently mixed LC mix 2 to the dot, ended up using FFOF and I got my dolomite lime. I didn't wet or let cook for 2 weeks. I just transplanted 4 clones to cups and two of my girls are having Mg def. already. It's definitely Mg because the yellowing is on the larger part of leaf with green veins.

I'm running out to the store first thing in the morning for some epsom salt and will mix a Mg supplement.

But what about the rest of my mix? Do I need to let it cook or wet it, or possibly add more dolomite lime?

Thanks in advance

M-

I'm a little confused. Did you mix up some LC2, not use it, and just use FFOF instead? Or did you mix in FFOF into the LC2?

If you have a reservoir of LC2 w/FFOF (or whatever), just add epsom salts to that, add some water + bacteria (humus works) and cook for 2 weeks. You can also just add more Dolomite and cook. I use both in my mix because I had a similar problem once, and th addition of the epsom salts cleared up the problem pronto.

Or just keep epsom salts water around in a spray bottle all the time.

edit: Ugh, I don't think ep. salts need to be broken down over a period of weeks; that stuff just breaks up when its wet. Dolomite may take some time to be busted up by the micro-biota, but as my foggy brain recalls, not long if weeks at all.

 

[joeking]

I recently just talked to someone that has been following some tips out of the HousePlants for dummies book, and it says to cut off the lower portion of the root ball from the soil, then transplant, he says that after he did that, his plants went crazy and flourished. I'm gonna try this with a coupe of extra clones that have beome rootbound, anyone else do this?

 

[Metatron]

I'm a little confused. Did you mix up some LC2, not use it, and just use FFOF instead? Or did you mix in FFOF into the LC2?

If you have a reservoir of LC2 w/FFOF (or whatever), just add epsom salts to that, add some water + bacteria (humus works) and cook for 2 weeks. You can also just add more Dolomite and cook. I use both in my mix because I had a similar problem once, and th addition of the epsom salts cleared up the problem pronto.

Or just keep epsom salts water around in a spray bottle all the time.

edit: Ugh, I don't think ep. salts need to be broken down over a period of weeks; that stuff just breaks up when its wet. Dolomite may take some time to be busted up by the micro-biota, but as my foggy brain recalls, not long if weeks at all.

I used FFOF in LC's mix #2 instead of Pro Mix, I watered the other day with epsom salt and she's recovered 50%. One of my other girls is having Ca deficiency and I'm spraying with dolomite lime right now. I believe I didn't let my mix cook so the DL isn't available yet.

Thanks for responding

 

[jaykush]

I recently just talked to someone that has been following some tips out of the HousePlants for dummies book, and it says to cut off the lower portion of the root ball from the soil, then transplant, he says that after he did that, his plants went crazy and flourished. I'm gonna try this with a coupe of extra clones that have beome rootbound, anyone else do this?

this is a good method for keeping mother plants. keep in 1-3 gallon pots. when the time comes trim some clones. and reduce the rootball in half( meaning cut the bottom half off) replace that half with fresh soil. you can do this over and over for quite some time.

i would personally just transplant before the plant gets rootbound. once the roots start circling the edge of the pot the plant is going to loose a lot of potential from there on out.

 

[MrBaker]

I used FFOF in LC's mix #2 instead of Pro Mix, I watered the other day with epsom salt and she's recovered 50%. One of my other girls is having Ca deficiency and I'm spraying with dolomite lime right now. I believe I didn't let my mix cook so the DL isn't available yet.

Thanks for responding

My brain was foggy at the time so I needed clarification.

Are you doin' a foliar spry with the ep. salts, or just added the to the basal drench water? I'm just curious. It's cool how fast the ep. salts work.

Any mix with worm castings in it, needs to cook imo, especially when possibly adding anything else. Heck, I even add a bacterial supplement and stir every few days. It'll just get all the 'goodness' broken up. I can't comment on FFOF too much other than I have heard that it is recycled itself. I've used promix and similar.

 

[quadracer]

I was wondering if someone could elaborate on gypsum & epsom salt vs. lime? Is one better than the other? Pros & cons?

What is a good source of fulvic acid? You said worm castings are a good source of humic acid? My friend was planning on using Liquid karma and Diamond nectar, but now he's not sure

Lastly, would it be a bad idea to brew tea with a smorgasbord of different ingredients, would that be superfluous?

Thanks!!

PS - Heavy Harvest by AN.. recommend or no?

Gypsum is great, it provides both calcium and sulfur to the soil, and helps break up heavy clay soils. Mushroom growers also use it to provide those nutrients to the mix which helps promote mycelial growth.

Epsom salt provides magnesium in a more available form, but I try to stay away from adding salts to anything. But if you are using dolomite lime, which provides magnesium as well, and helps stabilize the pH, there is really no need for epsom salt.

Fulvic acid and humic acid are often lumped together. From Wikipedia:

Since the end of the 19th century, humic substances have been designated as humic acid, fulvic acid or humin. These fractions are defined strictly on their solubility in either acid or alkali, describing the materials by operation only, thus imparting little chemical information about the extracted materials. The term ‘humic substances’ is used in a generic sense to distinguish the naturally occurring material from the chemical extractions named humic acid and fulvic acid, which are defined “operationally” by their solubility in alkali or acid solutions. It is important to note, however, that no sharp divisions exist between humic acids, fulvic acids and humins. They are all part of an extremely heterogeneous supramolecular system and the differences between the subdivisions are due to variations in acidity, degree of hydrophobicity (content of aromatic and long-chain alkyl molecules) and entropy-driven self-associations of molecules. When humic substances are characterized for their molecular structure, a chromatographic and/or chemical separation of their large number of different bioorganic molecules is required.

The worm bin is a great place to get your humic acids. That being said, I don't like buying any nutrients, especially anything made by AN. Save your money, or invest in a good composting system.

As for my teas, I do not like to add too much. Keep it simple. But that being said, having a diversity of material is beneficial for everything. Between my worm bin and compost pile, there is lots of diverse materials and organisms, so no need to bombard the tea with a bunch of different ingredients. I try to keep the ingredients to one hand.

 

[BurnOne]

I recently just talked to someone that has been following some tips out of the HousePlants for dummies book, and it says to cut off the lower portion of the root ball from the soil, then transplant, he says that after he did that, his plants went crazy and flourished. I'm gonna try this with a coupe of extra clones that have beome rootbound, anyone else do this?

I used to fluff out the root ball a little when I transplanted. Then Bongaloid (The original organic soil Guru/Mentor/Moderator) told me to not touch it at all. I was like the deer in the headlights. But I had enough common sense to take advise from an expert. I never looked back. Thanks Bongaloid where ever you are.
Burn1

 

[Dr.GT]

awesome information here BurnOne!
i have a question about the nutrient recipe #5
with this method, what is the feeding schedule? is this for every watering?
also when you say capful, could you be more specific in exact measurements? what size jug are we talking about when you say capful?
also what kind of potency will this produce? as well as yield with a high yielding strain, and proper environment with co2? i really am swinging towards organics, and this seems to be an easy way to get into it, and grow some nice dank stinky buds.
thanks much!

 

[BurnOne]

awesome information here BurnOne!
i have a question about the nutrient recipe #5
with this method, what is the feeding schedule? is this for every watering?
also when you say capful, could you be more specific in exact measurements? what size jug are we talking about when you say capful?
also what kind of potency will this produce? as well as yield with a high yielding strain, and proper environment with co2? i really am swinging towards organics, and this seems to be an easy way to get into it, and grow some nice dank stinky buds.
thanks much!

About 1 tablespoon. Start every third watering then work your way up. You have to learn how to read your plants.
Burn1