LowRyder 2 Feeding...?

[Xtensity]

I've pretty much got everything else ready except I can't decide on how I should feet it. Joint Dr's Guide says you can get away with just mixing bat guano in with the soil and going along with that as the only feeding..... But what would the ratio be?

I was originally thinking of using Ocean Forest soil, still am.... and also was going to go with the fox Farm trio nutes...(grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom). But the feeding times for the products are for plants that would be flowering throughout the summer.


Anyone got any tips on what I should go with. I just want something simple that will work, not any of those complicated feeding regiments where people use 9 different products. If simple bat guano mixed with the soil would work that would be great for me, but what ratios?

edit:

I've also found several different types of bat guano..
Indonesian-
https://fifthseasongardening.com/ca...id=40&osCsid=635a1923716a25b4e754d43ad36b47dd
Jamaican-
https://fifthseasongardening.com/ca...id=31&osCsid=635a1923716a25b4e754d43ad36b47dd
Mexican-
https://fifthseasongardening.com/ca...id=35&osCsid=635a1923716a25b4e754d43ad36b47dd

edit:
I was thinking of mixing mexican for high nitrogen with indonesian for high phos, but one thing I was wondering was...do I mix it in with the soil or put it on top before a watering or something? It's really confused me, because I've heard of people doing both, and I'm not sure how you would apply it once the plant's already growing and planted.

 

[krazycure]

You'd need alot of guano, and that shit is expensive. You want simple? One stop to home depot. Get a bag of MG moisture control soil (the big one), and a bag of the MG perlite. Also get a bag of vermiculite, and grab a bag of bone meal. Usually all right there in the same place.

Mix the entire bags of perlite/vermiculite with the entire bag of soil. Then in a seperate container, measure out a gallon of that mix, then add 1/4 cup of bone meal to it. Repeat and keep mixing until you're out of soil. Boom, there is your starting mix. Water sparingly no more than once every 4 days for the first 4 weeks. After that if premature yellowing occurs, use either Green Light Super Bloom at 1/8-1/4 (depending on size of plant) teaspoon (yes that's barely any) per 32 ounces of water every third watering, or dilute Flora Nova Bloom 1:1 and use 1/4-1/2 (again depending on the size) teaspoon per 32 ounces of water every third watering. When you are feeding, you should run 32-64 ounces plain water through first, then feed /w nutrient water, then run around 32 ounces more of plain through.

You may use tap water with Super Green Light, but must use distilled/reverse osmosis water with Flora Nova. Flora nova has more micro nutrients and gives a better nute profile. Super Green light regime may require VERY small amounts of epsom salt to provide additional mag.
I have done many grows this way, you won't be dissapointed.

examples of this:

 

[Xtensity]

You'd need alot of guano, and that shit is expensive. You want simple? One stop to home depot. Get a bag of MG moisture control soil (the big one), and a bag of the MG perlite. Also get a bag of vermiculate, and grab a bag of bone meal.

Mix the entire bags of perlite/vermiculite with the entire bag of soil. Then in a seperate container, for every gallon of that mix, add 1/4 cup of bone meal. Keep mixing until you're out of soil. Boom, there is your starting mix. Water sparingly no more than once every 4 days for the first 4 weeks. AFter that if premature yellowing occurs, use either Green Light Super Bloom at 1/8-1/4 (depending on size of plant) teaspoon (yes that's barely any) per 32 ounces of water every third watering, or Dilute Flora Nova Bloom 1:1 and use 1/4-1/2 tsp per 32 ounces of water every third watering.

I have done many grows this way, you won't be dissapointed.

examples of this:

Guano can't be that expensive, I wont be using any bigger then 10-15 liter pots.. and I'm

2 pounds of it for 7bucks?

I'm not going to be growing like 50 plants lol.

When you say a lot of bat guano how much are you talking? How much per plant would be needed?


You're saying all of that stuff can be found at home depot? Does the MG moisture control soil not have time released nutes that may fuck up the plants nutrients and burn it?

I'm gonna look up some of those things on Home Depot see what I can find.

can the Green lite super stuff be found at home depot? Couldn't find it on their site. What about Flora Nova Bloom. Was that ratio 1:1 up there to go with the product name? Or was that how I was suppose to mix it, and how do I mix according to ratio like that? I can understand a certain about per 32 oz of water etc..

Or wait are you saying I only need one of those nutes? sorry, just a little stoned :

 

[krazycure]

Most guano's n-p-k are only good for phosphorous, not so much for nitrogen. Tell me what the n-p-k (0-0-0) is of what you are looking at buying and I can help you on how much you need per gallon of soil. All of that can be found at home depot, EXCEPT flora nova bloom. That you will have to get online or at a hydro store. And yes, you only need EITHER Green Light or Flora Nova, not both.

Dilute 1:1 means that Flora Nova comes concentrated. I.e. if you buy a 64 ounce bottle, you must mix it in a 128 ounce or larger bottle with another 64 ounces of plain reverse osmosis water. It's not entirely NECESSARY, but because it comes so concentrated trying to measure out 1/16 of a teaspoon of it is a hassle, especially since it's thick like gravy.


Edit: if your home depot doesn't carry green light, most grocery stores and walmart do.

 

[Xtensity]

Most guano's n-p-k are only good for phosphorous, not so much for nitrogen. Tell me what the n-p-k (0-0-0) is of what you are looking at buying and I can help you on how much you need per gallon of soil. All of that can be found at home depot, EXCEPT flora nova bloom. That you will have to get online or at a hydro store. And yes, you only need EITHER Green Light or Flora Nova, not both.

Dilute 1:1 means that Flora Nova comes concentrated. I.e. if you buy a 64 ounce bottle, you must mix it in a 128 ounce or larger bottle with another 64 ounces of plain reverse osmosis water. It's not entirely NECESSARY, but because it comes so concentrated trying to measure out 1/16 of a teaspoon of it is a hassle, especially since it's thick like gravy.


Edit: if your home depot doesn't carry green light, most grocery stores and walmart do.

Mexican bat guano is very high in nitrogen content and the indonesian is high in phos, if you bothered to click the links in the post.

So I can use green lite over nova?

 

[krazycure]

I did click, that's why I was asking which one YOU were going towards. If you just want me to TELL you what to buy, I would go with mexican. Soil additives should just provide a little bump of early nitro and phos, you should supply additional phos via liquid fertilizer. Yes, green light over nova is fine. The only thing to worry about is possibly having to add a little epsom salt every now and then when using green light, but most tap water has enough mag to sustain autoflowers. Only the beastly ones will need it.

If subbing guano for bone meal, for mexican, use 1/3 cup per gallon of soil.

 

[Castelvetro]

ive seen what that miracle soil can do atleast in veg, pretty impressed i must say. its ultra light .

 

[Xtensity]

I did click, that's why I was asking which one YOU were going towards. If you just want me to TELL you what to buy, I would go with mexican. Soil additives should just provide a little bump of early nitro and phos, you should supply additional phos via liquid fertilizer. Yes, green light over nova is fine. The only thing to worry about is possibly having to add a little epsom salt every now and then when using green light, but most tap water has enough mag to sustain autoflowers. Only the beastly ones will need it.

If subbing guanno for bone mea, for mexican, use 1/3 cup per gallon of soil.

I was planning on mixing mexican and indonesian like the site suggest for an optimum level of nitr and phos. I might just go with your way if it actually is cheaper, I'm not sure. I need go around to stores to see how much stuff cost.

 

[krazycure]

I was planning on mixing mexican and indonesian like the site suggest for an optimum level of nitr and phos. I might just go with your way if it actually is cheaper, I'm not sure. I need go around to stores to see how much stuff cost.

Yup, shop around. If you buy guano and soil and nutes but leave out the perlite and verm, it will probably cost as much as my little guide. Even as light as the MG soil is, the perlite and verm really help to make it a haven for fast root development by adding additional drainage and anti-compaction.

 

[Xtensity]

Yup, shop around. If you buy guano and soil and nutes but leave out the perlite and verm, it will probably cost as much as my little guide.

I'm going to be mixing in perlite, but perlite is cheap, atleast in the amounts I need. Very cheap. a $5-10 bag would last me like 10 grows because I'm not growing a ton of plants atm.

 

[Xtensity]

Krazy I was reading what you posted up there more carefully and you say to run a bunch of water through the soil before watering with nute solution? Why is this?


Seems like there would be a lot of overflow water in my box

 

[krazycure]

Salts from the nutes build up when the soil dries out between waterings. If you don't run a little water through everytime, you run the risk of a gradual concentrated build up that is never really flushed out and can cause stress. I would advise watering the plants in the tub, letting them sit for 20 or 30 minutes to drain then putting back in your box. Or just put them in a shallow tupperware or rubbermaid to catch the runoff...
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[Xtensity]

Salts from the nutes build up when the soil dries out between waterings. If you don't run a little water through everytime, you run the risk of a gradual concentrated build up that is never really flushed out and can cause stress. I would advise watering the plants in the tub, letting them sit for 20 or 30 minutes to drain then putting back in your box. Or just put them in a shallow tupperware or rubbermaid to catch the runoff...
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They're growing in shallow, but wide boxes in a rubber maid container, but I dont think water building up at the bottom of the container would be good... or would it just evaporate and get sucked out with the fan because of the heat?


edit: not growing yet, but will be*

 

[krazycure]

in general , yes, it would evap before any harm could really be done. But, if your humidity is already high, it's probably not a good idea. Anything stopping you from taking them out of the shallow container then going and dumping the runoff in the sink or something?

 

[Xtensity]

in general , yes, it would evap before any harm could really be done. But, if your humidity is already high, it's probably not a good idea. Anything stopping you from taking them out of the shallow container then going and dumping the runoff in the sink or something?

Well The fan I'll be using is very powerful in size comparison for the box..... so the air would be getting completely refreshed probably every 30 seconds lol. So I can adjust it etc... I doubt the humidity would build up to much, if anything it would acclimate to the room outside the boxes humidity

 

[Janeymac]

There seems to be a lot of diversity in the npk values of different guanos . I'm using Plagron at the moment . It's got roughly a 2:1 ratio of phosphorous to nitrogen so adding a dilute solution of this at the start of flowering is working out ok for me with an autoflower.
The directions say to use 50 litres per 1000 litres of soil but i'm just adding about a gram per 500ml of water every other watering . I'll switch to Biobizz bloom in a week or so being day 35.

 

[Xtensity]

I know this topic's like a month old, but krazycure, would you're little plan with the home depot & MG soil set up work outside?