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Quest to find out WHY some BHO turns into "butter" or "budder" over time?

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Sam, thanks for the input, your dedication to a field that many abandon for a multitude of reasons is admirable, we all benefit from your work in one way or another....

Can you drop some terpene names here that seem to be common in budder/BHO? I suspect you have some idea....

Really Noble needs to stop arguing with the world's preeminent MJ research scientist, if you are you'd better pull up your socks.:whistling:
 

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Sam, thanks for the input, your dedication to a field that many abandon for a multitude of reasons is admirable, we all benefit from your work in one way or another....

Can you drop some terpene names here that seem to be common in budder/BHO? I suspect you have some idea....
 
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grow nerd

Sorry if I missed any of the technical details, I only skimmed over this thread. But it seems pretty obvious that everything that bubbles isn't necessarily butane... as evidenced by bubbling of hash from butane-free, mechanically-separated resin heads.
 
HG

Can you recomened a good organic chemistry textbook please?

I know there are many out there but which ones would be best for the stoner, kitchen scientist?
 

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Reminds me of that joke in "Top Secret", the password for the French Resistance. There are no good Organic Chemistry textbooks. They're all brutal and boring. My shit's out of date so I can't necessarily recommend it knowing there's new stuff. You'll have a lot more fun reading the lab books for organic chemistry, full of glassware and devices to remove solvents. Practical stuff full of technique.
 
I have noticed that IUPAC have changed a lot of names since i was last in a classroom

You would have thought that they would have at least wrote and told us about it, acetic acid is now ethanoic acid, formaldehyde is now methanal

Could you please do a tutorial on the best way to 'purge' a BHO extraction. From what i work out it is best to keep temps down and use as little agitation as possible. No water wash of oil at the end.

Surely any butane left would just be converted to CO2 and water when combusted anyway

Is there any point in keeping the terpenes in your opinion? Most books i have read say to get rid of them but you have modern knowledge, opinions please
 

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My presence upsets those who value their online hash reputations though. When someone spends years holed up somewhere defining themselves in public fora as an undisputed master of the art, impossible to challenge, they see anyone who matches or exceeds their knowledge as a threat. Thus, the new voice must be disposed of using any means necessary. Only then can those who define themselves through the praise of others regain their thrones and composure.
 
Ah welcome back

You have this reincarnation mastered now i see

My apologies if my question caused you any distress through your banning, that is just sad if that was the case
 

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Only that Rick Simpson is a dangerous lunatic who doesn't understand science or medicine and he's doing more harm than good turning people against a product that not only has medical properties but has infinite things to teach us about paths to new cures. The admins have stated publically that they believe Rick Simpson's oil cures cancer and that it was prophesied in the Bible. Therefore I'm a threat to them since I can prove them and anyone else wrong when they actually are. Many people aren't interested in receiving, only transmitting.
 

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Did you know that the DEA has a husband and wife team of Arabs do all the weed research in the country? And that the guy is even more uptight than people here? And in league with the DEA? He actually writes letters when other people try to get permits to research weed or related things to stop them, claiming his facility is sufficient. They don't let him research things about tumor prevention, if you want to do that you have to do it on your own with private grant money. What they DO pay for him to do: anal suppository THC research, new ways to test for THC in your hair and urine, ways to tell what strains you've been smoking, ways to prove you've been abusing marijuana and not taking Marinol and vice versa, etc. Ways for the DEA to put more charges on you. They let him have the butt-pill as a reward for his years of faithful service. I'm talking to you Mahmoud.

Rick Simpson makes one point that ties into this. The DEA are mercenaries for hire and like all mercenaries they are concerned with money. By using the DEA to prevent that research the US Government was able to file patents like US Patent 6,630,507 Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants in 2003.
 
I did read somewhere about urine tests and THCv levels to bust patients who used on top of marinol and also to try and catch those who use on top of sativex as well

Yes i did notice my posts were disapearing like enemies of Stalin, not quite the detailed purge report i wanted

As for the suppositories, well they know where they can stick them
 
To get back on track

Do you know where i could get the data on what terpenoids and other oils (non cannabiboid) are produced in which world regions? Strains from hot regions having totally diffent profile than that of colder regions. Did a google but not much use

The one thing that i have learned from all this is just how much a complex lab a plant actually is
 

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If I was going to recommend one article it would be that Brenneisen / ElSohly 1988 but it costs $25 online and the Skunkman says he only has it in print. There are private DEA studies since everyone was obsessed with using this to "fingerprint" weed for a while. But this is the one that all the overviews refer to and it's got the DEA's pet researcher on it to make sure it can be used to bust people. This is back in the late 80s when the US actually wanted to make some progress so they had Brenneisen visit Mississippi and lube up Mahmoud for some suppository patents.
 
This may sound like a stupid question but is there any way that the home scientist can test for certain plant oils, not just the terpenoids. A kind of home chromatography kit

Are there any oils present in hemp but not present in drug strength cannabis? how do the terpenoid profile of the two compare?
 

Hashmasta-Kut

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No, I can't, I was banned for replying to your question asking for an organic textbook recommendation. How does it feel to have your posts deleted in order to hide the truth about my superiority to HMK and Sam? I will repeat it: HMK has to erase people's posts in order to stay "right". You all just lost 2 full thread pages of information to the mods' deletions.

how the hell do i erase posts? i am no mod, and i have sent no messages to anyone about you on this site. you are so full of yourself you think i could care about what you say, and even take it personally but i only find you amusing and slightly interesting occasionally. if you notice, my posts are being deleted as well. paranoid freak, quit worrying about me censoring you, cuz thats just not gonna happen and hasnt. the mods are doing what they will on their on volition. at least certainly with 0 input from myself.
 

Payaso

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It seems recently that someone posted a method to do chromatic analysis with two plates of glass and some solvent - at home... you'd have to search the threads. But I am pretty sure that it wasn't deleted...

And as for admins having a hidden agenda to remove your posts because of a perceived threat to Sam, well that's just hogwash.

People who discuss things civilly should not have a problem... if you do please contact me directly thru PM and I will help settle differences when I can.

Peace...
 

Hashmasta-Kut

honey oil addict
Veteran
My presence upsets those who value their online hash reputations though. When someone spends years holed up somewhere defining themselves in public fora as an undisputed master of the art, impossible to challenge, they see anyone who matches or exceeds their knowledge as a threat. Thus, the new voice must be disposed of using any means necessary. Only then can those who define themselves through the praise of others regain their thrones and composure.

good post, but its not me you speak of, just to clarify once more; i care naught for reputation, and only strive for truthful information dissemination.
 
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