Advance Nutrients is an amazing brand

[hookahma]

Another thread about AN? Sometimes these just seem like pissing contests to see who is the better grower. I mean, I get it and all that you want to be the best and you want to know that everyone ELSE knows you're the best, but unless they're giving out a cash prize for the best pot, I just don't care what anyone else uses in their grows.

True, I go on boards and talk about what I use, but heck if I care whether they listen. Just seems sometimes that people get really bent out of shape when someone doesn't agree with them.

It's like the Democrats vs. the Republicans...only dirtier. LOL

I just say good luck to everyone and to whatever regiment works for them. I'll say that I love Advanced Nutrients, even if they don't live up to every single promise they tout in their ads.

The fact that my harvests are bigger on these nutes, that's enough for me.

Forgot to say this:

I mean, are all the AN haters working for other companies? Seems sort of like that to me. Why else would people be so passionate about ripping on nutes they don't even use...??????

 

[jawnroot]

Forgot to say this:

I mean, are all the AN haters working for other companies? Seems sort of like that to me. Why else would people be so passionate about ripping on nutes they don't even use...??????

Imagine your local car dealer was replacing the hood ornament on Fords with a Mercedes Benz symbol, and selling the cars to unwitting customers as the latest and greatest Benz, with all kinds of crazy features that, in reality, are just a spin on the standard Ford accessories. A Ford is a Ford is a Ford -- a good car, no doubt -- but the guy is charging Benz prices for it, and making insane claims about the quality that even Benz itself couldn't touch.

Wouldn't you be a bit peeved about this if you knew it was going on? Wouldn't you want to tell people, make them aware of what's happening?

See, the thing with AN nutes is they're a good product, just like Ford is a good product. But AN nutes are no better than Bontanicare or GH (ie: the Chevy and Ford of nutes). AN just pushes their line as being something different, and slaps a fancy brand image on there to grab attention.

As we've all said, if AN works for you, then cool. Someone could be driving a new Ford with a Benz hood ornament, and most people will recognize it's a good car, but they know what's really under the skin (ie: Ford engineering). Same with AN. It's good, but it's not the Rolls Royce of nutrients, as they're making it out to be. Indeed, there's no such thing as a "Rolls Royce of nutrients."

What most people don't understand, is that nutes are not some complicated, rare amalgam of ingredients. It's a handful of simple compounds that, when blended together in ideal ratios, creates a quality food for plants. Nutes are nutes are nutes...even the cheapest Wally World brand will do ya if you get the proper NPK, and know what you're doing.

Granted, it's fun to experiment and try new things. That's probably how we ended up growing and smoking pot in the first place. It's probably why we want something cooler, more interesting, and higher quality than what we could get in perfectly adequate store brand nutes. I'm a big fan of Bontanicare's Pure Blend Pro line, in addition to their Liquid Karma, Aquashield, Cal-Mag, etc. I also like to use a carbo product, typically DNF CarboLogic. And a bloom blaster (I use generic GroTek). For a little perspective, I can get all this stuff for less than what it would cost me to buy AN's ridiculous Connoisseur nutrient by itself.

...but at the end of the day, if I'm trying to keep it real simple and real cheap, I'll role with GH MaxiGro and MaxiBloom in distilled, with a CalMag supplement. Boom. Twenty bucks, nutrients for at least two years.

 

[toohighmf]

Jawnroot nailed it on the head. I would use maxi bloom w calmg too. Maybe use some hygrozym & floralicious+ w some superthrive. I'm currently running floranova bloom, calmg, hygrozyme, superthrive, still have some barricade, epsom salts, vermicrop, floralicious+ & Hawaiian punch flush. I use h2o2 weekly between Rez changes. I run NFT in 4x4x2.5 grodan @ 5.2. I peak at 1000PPM. If I don't see what I'm looking for by week 6 I'll add some 0-50-30 for a couple days then back to my original recipe for a week then flush for 2. My Rez is not as cheap or as simple as it could be, so I'm going to run a res of straight floranova to see if there is any difference. After almost 20 years of hydro, it seems like nothing outyielded SUper bloom powder and some western b1...

 

[eger]

Jawnroot nailed it on the head. I would use maxi bloom w calmg too. Maybe use some hygrozym & floralicious+ w some superthrive. I'm currently running floranova bloom, calmg, hygrozyme, superthrive, still have some barricade, epsom salts, vermicrop, floralicious+ & Hawaiian punch flush. I use h2o2 weekly between Rez changes. I run NFT in 4x4x2.5 grodan @ 5.2. I peak at 1000PPM. If I don't see what I'm looking for by week 6 I'll add some 0-50-30 for a couple days then back to my original recipe for a week then flush for 2. My Rez is not as cheap or as simple as it could be, so I'm going to run a res of straight floranova to see if there is any difference. After almost 20 years of hydro, it seems like nothing outyielded SUper bloom powder and some western b1...

I just noticed you use Superthrive? Havent heard anything good about that, actually the opposite. Whats your take on it?

 

[toohighmf]

my take on it is that is great stuff. for 7 bucks you get about 2000 gallons out of it. read up on it.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A 2 oz. bottle of SUPERthrive, with a capful of the brown liquid


1-Naphthaleneacetic acid (syn. 1-Napthyl acetic acid), a plant hormone, one of the active ingredients in SUPERthrive
SUPERthrive is a WARF testing lab certified non-toxic liquid concentrated growth enhancer product for plants, which has been available since 1940. It contains ".09% Vitamin B1, .048% 1-Napthyl acetic acid",[1] with a total of dissolved solids of approximately 25%, which, according to some labeling, may include some 50 compounds of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen normally produced by plants under ideal conditions and time. [2]
The packaging says that it should be included in the normal fertilizing program to improve some 50 phases of horticulture. The packaging does not claim to have any N-P-K (macro-nutrient fertilizer) or trace minerals.
The hormone 1-Naphthyl acetic acid (NAA) does not occur naturally. Under the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), products containing NAA require registration with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as pesticides. The sale of Superthrive is prohibited in Oklahoma, Minnesota, and Oregon as an unregistered pesticide.
Uses include transplanting, reviving, and general strengthening of growth of trees and other plants.
The SUPERthrive product has many adherents, not only professional horticulturalists, but, according to its packaging: "US Departments of Agriculture, Army, Navy; states, cities,[3] counties,[4] universities."
SUPERthrive was developed by Dr. John A. A. Thomson, now 97 years old and still at work. In 2006, he was the first chemist to receive the National Lawn & Garden Marketing & Distribution Association's Lifetime Achievement Award.[5][6]

 

[Ganja D]

How bout organic B instead. I stopped using superthrive a long time ago. It's not organic if your about organics, and using organic b and fulvic acid from cloning through every cycle works great. My results are better then when I used superthrive, but I must admit sometimes I can't help putting a few drops of superthrive in my res.

 

[toohighmf]

organic B has a very short lifespan and it costs a ton more than superthrive. If you ask me it's better than B-52, but so is western B-1 @ $4.99. the stuff has been flyin off shelves for 70 years!!!

 

[Ganja D]

True, superthrive is a great product. But with $ as a non factor, organic B is a better product in my opinion from experience.
That's all I try to argue here in a constructive way, is that $ not included, AN will give you the best quality results in many ways. Some people just think in different ways. I never consider price amounts with anything. I consider whether a product is worth it's $ amount to me. Not saying the most expensive is the best, but it can be, and in some cases is, and is worth it.

 

[toohighmf]

D. Who's to say organic B is better? It's a preference thing. B vits are b vits. Some are more concentrated than others. Price may not be an issue, but if my $7 bottle does the same good as a $50 bottle, that's what I'm goin with.

 

[blazingtimes]

toohighmf, you need a life...

toohighmf, you need a life...

For 5 years my life revolved around AN. Who do you think coordinated their events in SF? Who designed mondos feeding schedule/calc & special mixing instructions & growing tips? Who helped mod & troubleshoot the old AN medical forums? Who visited over 500 stores to help retailers better understand the line & how to use it? Who broke down the PPm/ml of EVERY product in the line to design feed charts? Who handled dist in socal and bought $100k in AN at distributor pricing to sell in their retail store and stock socal? Who was the national distributors tech rep? Who sold AN at the absolute lowest prices? Just take a guess.. LOL!

So your life USED to revolve around AN? Seems to me like it still does. You're like a one man rampage against one nute company. That's just sad man. I mean, you can hate them, I don't really care if you do, but you're just spreading their name around and giving them more exposure.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I've looked at your past posts and you're a one man army against Advanced Nutrients. Maybe you need to get a new hobby....



ANd I saw that response you send to AN (but the thread's closed now) because YOU apparently were a member of the mailing list. If you're so against them, why even sign up for their mailing list? Just to criticize them?

Really, WTF man? You really do give out some great advice, but the other ranting you do makes a lot of folks probably ignore it. No one likes a know it all who just curses at one guy that they obviously have a beef with.

And yes, I would say the same thing if you were ranting against another company. It's just lame.



Seriously, dude, you have issues. Get a shrink or get a life.

 

[HydroIndustry]

Look toohigh, it's Big Mike! Hi Big Mike!

 

[stoney419]

Lmao let's not get another thread closed

 

[globel]

AN nutes are superior. Advanced has the right to talk about there nutes the way they do because they perform the way they perform. Take the Nute study done by some one on this forum who obviously dose not favor advanced.. The only numbers you can put on paper all put advanced in the lead...

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=149234

 

[jmansweed]

Well said Globel - I did the nute study, and don't use AN. They absolutely do the job - there is simply no denying it. I've had larger average harvests w/ AN than almost any other company - that's a fact. I simply prefer 100% organic. I'm also not a huge fan of the company in general......but they're nutreints are well made and diverse. Granted many solutions offered by them do similar jobs and have similar ingrediants but with further study they all have specific purpose and typically are intended for a wide range of growing styles and methods. I'm in complete agreement they need to tone down the forceful advertisment - non the less if you don't like them simply don't buy them. One thread after another regarding Advanced Nutreints only gets them more exposure. Lets concentrate on helping each other here....who gives a rats tail about AN if you don't even use them?

 

[toohighmf]

So your life USED to revolve around AN? Seems to me like it still does. You're like a one man rampage against one nute company. That's just sad man. I mean, you can hate them, I don't really care if you do, but you're just spreading their name around and giving them more exposure.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I've looked at your past posts and you're a one man army against Advanced Nutrients. Maybe you need to get a new hobby....



ANd I saw that response you send to AN (but the thread's closed now) because YOU apparently were a member of the mailing list. If you're so against them, why even sign up for their mailing list? Just to criticize them?

Really, WTF man? You really do give out some great advice, but the other ranting you do makes a lot of folks probably ignore it. No one likes a know it all who just curses at one guy that they obviously have a beef with.

And yes, I would say the same thing if you were ranting against another company. It's just lame.



Seriously, dude, you have issues. Get a shrink or get a
life.

At least you see that no matter what I think of the company, I am still willing to help the poor sucker who wastes their money on it. You put 5 years into something and find out what a crock of shit they are, get treated like a piece of shit by these fucks and watch them prosper from your hard work. tell me you wouldnt be out for blood? these people basically took food out of everyone who helped them's mouths... Either you have no scruples and don't care about the morals and standards of a co. and you are obviously as sucker for clever marketing, or you work for them now. Defending them is just as bad as doggin them. Do you really think they give 2 shits about medical patients??? Do you think they care about your meds or garden? NIGGA PLEASE!

I have a life and a shrink so anything else I should look for?
Maybe you need a clue...

oh.. and how do you think I got on the mailer? I worked for them.. duh!

 

[HydroIndustry]

I don't believe there is an AN detractor on the boards who doesn't think that Advanced Nutrients makes decent plant food. No one argues that point.

What many people take issue with is the ethics, character, and lack of common sense exhibited by many of the folks associated with the Advanced Nutrients brand, which makes the brand somewhat less than amazing.

My motivation? I personally just cannot tolerate sockpuppetry, and will expose it at every opportunity I get.

 

[Darkstarlive]

TooHigh, What's up Brother?
Sometimes its takes getting closer to a subject before you see what they're really all about. Big Mike is all about Big Mike.
Darkstar

 

[Guest 18340]

Hi everyone,
I sill consider myself very new hear and am very new to starting threads, so please bear with my inexperience on computers.
I have noticed the Advanced nutrients slander thread,(lol) and thought it would be nice to have a place for AN users or people considering using AN to share info and their experiences.
The point? For people to be able to compare, learn and improve their methods, and it just sounds fun.
All I have to offer currently is old pics I've been posting, as I will be in transition for a few months(bummer, but not in the long run). I've just given away all my mothers to new caretakers and my last batch of clones have all gone to new homes. It was hard to let go.
So, I have some pics to post later of roots from my last clones taken with juicy roots and other assorted photo's of AN grows from the last few years. Until then and after, please feel free to post any positive info and pictures related to Advance nutes here.
If you hate advanced nutrients and want to tell us, please be polite and non insulting. That's all I ask.



So, I hope this is cool and works out and I wish you all smoke some good herb and that it enriches your life.

Peace.

Ganja D...

Just like the other AN thread, this one is moving way off course from it's original intention, and the negativity keeps ratcheting up.
I pasted the thread opener, please take the time to read it and honor Ganja D's request of keeping this thread positive.
Thanks

 

[globel]

My wet Betty poster is BY FAR my favorite piece of hydroponics marketing that i have on my wall.

If you got a product like a surfactant... that is also called a weting agent and want to put wet in the name... and your marketing to 18-30 males. You got a choice Penetrator or Wet Betty.... Penetrator sounds like a prison movie. There marketing team seeems to know what there doing. I seems to me Sunlight supply and Hydro farm haven't changed there marketing sense they started 40 years ago.

I for one like the way advanced markets there products. I would love to see more products marketed like wet betty. I like so see booth babes at the trade shows... I am not 100% ignorant and I can look past marketing when I need to. I actually don't even use wet betty.. I use penetrator... I don't have a peneatrator poster on my wall... Thats becuase dutch masters marketing BLOWS....

 

[Ganja D]

Thank you Evlme2,
I appreciate it. Starting in the next month or two I will be doing some serious testing of nutrients. I have an open mind and will share all my experience on ICM in grow reports and such. I probably won't start until March at the earliest. Regardless of what nutes are used, expect some serious Chronic.

Ganja D...