Recent Serious Seeds AK-47 seedstock

[Hammerhead]

Thats allot of AK-47

Here is some bud shots this was 2-2009

 

[EddieShoestring]

nice one Pureknowledge/Hammerhead

there have been some good comments etc-it's good to hear different peoples take on it

here's one i made earlier

just after i planted it in April (i think) it ended up v big-yielding 20something ozzy osbournes-think it was 25-its in the outdoor section somewhere

eddieS

 

[alpinestar]

the cherry taste takes a good drying to get it to come out. if its still wet the bud will just taste plain

 

[Hold Your Fire]

No not at all. AK-47 is good but you will find better strains the more you grow.

I meant, have I been duped by Rez. Concerning his post about working with Serious.

 

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

Hammerhead I had one exactly like your first picture, pheno #4

 

[Cinderella99]

Those are some killer looking AK's Pure, Hammer! Thank you for posting them-- I forgot that they looked so good


"...Hmm, I wouldn't think that modern genetics are any better, or that AK47 is somehow not-modern just cause its a legend, you know? THat was sort of the root of my question, is whether the strain changed or some stigma towards it in so far as people assume newer is better . . . you know?"

Seems like the breeding Modus Operandi more recently has been to find an elite/incredible cut, back cross or in cross it repeatedly and then market the hell out it and its incarnations based on resin dripping photos...Now, don't get me wrong, this method will deliver more potent genetics to the buyer....But the seedlines become more bottlenecked than they were before...There just seemed to be more emphasis on creating a seedline, based primarily on the uniqueness of strain which resulted from contributions of both the parents and that could stand on it's own, before. Now we just have potent, killer genetics...Too bad ...LOL.

 

[Hammerhead]

I meant, have I been duped by Rez. Concerning his post about working with Serious.

I dont think so Rez always has something up his sleve thats why he is so good at what he does.

 

[Raco]

AK 47 used to be very popular here in Spain for many years,and it was widely grown both in and outdoors since the first release.
AF used to grow a few trees in his orchard and I remember a few AKs with a sativa structure and hard resinous buds that were very potent and seemed to confirm that a potent colombian Punto Rojo male was used in the cross
A few friends still keep and grow clones of their AK keepers.These clones have been around here for at least 5 years.They are quite good and very similar (uniformity).Very indica IMO and boring after a while

This one is better..my fav of the 4

 

[DRorganic]

I started growing on ak47. it was my first seed buy . and out of a pack of 15 i got like 10 females and out of 10. 3 where cherry phenos. some of us do not have access to elite clone only strains .so i have to get the best from seed banks and from experience so far my best have been serious seed and jlp sourdog .some of the seeds given to me by members are better then serious seeds .but if your the average joe and need something reliable genetics serious seeds has never let me down. i can not afford mr.nice ssh or his mango haze or i would have bought them by now. so i had to wight years and finally some good folks on this site sent me some f2 ssh .some from fertility f2 and some from Capricorn seed bread by some GHS company when the breeder from mr.nice came up with the super silver haze.

 

[cork144]

i think people demand too much on the seed they first receave,


if you want to find the real bones of a strain, make f2s and start looking at those plants,

im sure your more likely to find a keeper in f2s rather than f1s

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Hmm, lot of good posts in this thread. I have so many threads that go way way off topic and become about something totally different, but this one is awesome. My own personal best, lol.

Thanks for all the contributions. I think what I'll take away from this while mess is that subcool isn't to be taken seriously. So there's that.

As for AK-47 being reworked and lost . . . maybe . . . but does it matter? A lot of you here have had great success with the seeds, and regardless of a growers demands we can all agree that for $120/10 seeds we shouldn't have to wonder if the breeder knows what he's doing. We're not buying seeds, we're buying possibilities.

Maybe subcool just likes to stir the pot, I don't know, from time to time I get that same itch myself.

Thanks for the photos to everyone who contributed. Hammerhead, Race, Cinderella 99, PureKnowledge, much appreciated!

 

[DRorganic]

these are plants grown by me and the seeds where free. and the taste and high are better then ak47 in my opinion. but they where not as strong as ak47. but it is in the smoker and what fits his or her taste. these where JLP(sourdog) a mix of rez SD IBL crossed to a OGBX1 mad by sugenite .

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Nice plants!!! What light was that under?

 

[teddynugent]

I think that it really depends on who/where you buy the seeds. First off, I think that you are always best off buying the Original F1's from the Original Breeder. When you buy them from a seedbank other than the original breeder, you have to make sure it is a reliable seedbank that sells the Real Original seeds (that should still be sealed in the Original Breeder's/SeedBanks Packaging - not in some 3rd party packaging (to me, if the seeds came from the original seedbank then theres no reason that the seeds shouldn't still be sealed up in that SeedBank/Breeder's Original packaging. I tend to be skeptical when seeds are removed from their original bag/package.
The other thing to look at is when using a seedbank other than the original bank that created the strain, is whether or not that SeedBank is listed by the breeder as an "Official Distributer" of their seeds. If, for example, Serious Seeds lists "Seeds Direct" as an official/licensed distributer of their seeds, than its pretty much the same as buying them from Serious.
But say for example you order AK-47 from Nirvana Seeds, you already know that your buying an f2 strain - not the original (but at least Nirvana tells you that your not buying the original F1. They say right up front that its a knock-off(which is also reflected in the sale price)).
There are SeedBanks out there though that will tell you that you are buying the Original Breeder's Seeds when in fact you are actually buying a knock-off (where basically the seedbank will order the original strain, grow it out and use a male to make their own seeds of that strain - then will turn around and sell you a cheap f2 or knock-off of the original, but at top dollar by lying to you, telling you that your buying the original seeds straight from the original breeder.

A good way to check and make sure you are buying the real f1 seeds from the actual original breeder is to 1)Check the Original Breeder's Website to see if the seedbank your placing the order with is listed as a distributer - usually right on the breeder's website. If there not listed (and other seedbanks are), then chances are they are selling knock-offs. But just to be sure, I usually send an E-Mail to the (original) Breeder, asking them if the Seed Bank I planned on ordering from is an official Distributer for the Breeder.

You can also check GreenMan's Seedbank Update Page. That webpage gives ratings on different seedbanks & strains etc. and is updated regularly. This is a good, reliable source of info on many different seed distributers. There are also other sites out there that rate different seedbanks, but from my experience, GreenMan's page has always been a reliable source of information & has been around for years.
The Website Address is: http://www.seedbankupdate.com/

As far as the AK-47 goes, I havn't grown it in a long time. But a friend of mine just had a harvest of the AK-47 from Serious seeds (via Seeds Direct I Believe but am not sure) that came in maybe 6 months ago and it was some really good smoke. I honestly couldn't say if it was as good as it was years and years ago, when I first grew it (maybe a year or so after it 1st came out) because that was so long ago & have since smoked so many different strains.

He also grew out AK-47 x Nebula (not sure if he bought the strain or made it....). Now, I can say for sure that the AK-47 x Nebula was Top Notch! It grew with very good vigor, and could fit a number of grow styles - as it would work well in a SOG OR would work just as well growing as very large, bushy plants (producing multiple large top Cola's with a bit of topping etc.).
This strain was also completely coated in Resin, growing some of the stickiest buds i've seen in a while. It had a great taste, very strong smell, great yield & was some very potent smoke (1 phenotype in particular was actually again some of the strongest pot that I've smoked in a while).

Like I said, I am pretty sure that the seeds came from Seeds Direct ( as this is where he orders basically all of his seeds - and has been doing so for many years.

Seeds Direct has seen many orders from me, him & another friend and I have never run into any problems with them. My buddy had his seeds confiscated 1 time in all these years (and he just got a letter in the mail saying that they had held onto the package & requested him to come pick it up - which he OBVIOUSLY didn't do! and that was all he ever heard). Anyway, he then let Seeds Direct know and they replaced his entire order of seeds with no hassle.

Well, good luck with everything. I hope that the AK-47 lives up to your standards (but I can tell ya right now that even back many years ago, it was never some 1-hit wonder strain like some made it out to be. It was just an above average (in potency) strain with a nice taste, strong smell and nice consistant producer - growing usually nice uniform plants with a good yield and were prety easy to grow (even for newer growers).

Stay Safe,

-Teddy

 

[Hammerhead]

FYI Seeds Direct is not affiliated with gypsy anymore. Gypsy's web site is seed Boutique/seedbay.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

I think that it really depends on who/where you buy the seeds. First off, I think that you are always best off buying the Original F1's from the Original Breeder. When you buy them from a seedbank other than the original breeder, you have to make sure it is a reliable seedbank that sells the Real Original seeds (that should still be sealed in the Original Breeder's/SeedBanks Packaging - not in some 3rd party packaging (to me, if the seeds came from the original seedbank then theres no reason that the seeds shouldn't still be sealed up in that SeedBank/Breeder's Original packaging. I tend to be skeptical when seeds are removed from their original bag/package.
The other thing to look at is when using a seedbank other than the original bank that created the strain, is whether or not that SeedBank is listed by the breeder as an "Official Distributer" of their seeds. If, for example, Serious Seeds lists "Seeds Direct" as an official/licensed distributer of their seeds, than its pretty much the same as buying them from Serious.
But say for example you order AK-47 from Nirvana Seeds, you already know that your buying an f2 strain - not the original (but at least Nirvana tells you that your not buying the original F1. They say right up front that its a knock-off(which is also reflected in the sale price)).
There are SeedBanks out there though that will tell you that you are buying the Original Breeder's Seeds when in fact you are actually buying a knock-off (where basically the seedbank will order the original strain, grow it out and use a male to make their own seeds of that strain - then will turn around and sell you a cheap f2 or knock-off of the original, but at top dollar by lying to you, telling you that your buying the original seeds straight from the original breeder.

A good way to check and make sure you are buying the real f1 seeds from the actual original breeder is to 1)Check the Original Breeder's Website to see if the seedbank your placing the order with is listed as a distributer - usually right on the breeder's website. If there not listed (and other seedbanks are), then chances are they are selling knock-offs. But just to be sure, I usually send an E-Mail to the (original) Breeder, asking them if the Seed Bank I planned on ordering from is an official Distributer for the Breeder.

You can also check GreenMan's Seedbank Update Page. That webpage gives ratings on different seedbanks & strains etc. and is updated regularly. This is a good, reliable source of info on many different seed distributers. There are also other sites out there that rate different seedbanks, but from my experience, GreenMan's page has always been a reliable source of information & has been around for years.
The Website Address is: http://www.seedbankupdate.com/

As far as the AK-47 goes, I havn't grown it in a long time. But a friend of mine just had a harvest of the AK-47 from Serious seeds (via Seeds Direct I Believe but am not sure) that came in maybe 6 months ago and it was some really good smoke. I honestly couldn't say if it was as good as it was years and years ago, when I first grew it (maybe a year or so after it 1st came out) because that was so long ago & have since smoked so many different strains.

He also grew out AK-47 x Nebula (not sure if he bought the strain or made it....). Now, I can say for sure that the AK-47 x Nebula was Top Notch! It grew with very good vigor, and could fit a number of grow styles - as it would work well in a SOG OR would work just as well growing as very large, bushy plants (producing multiple large top Cola's with a bit of topping etc.).
This strain was also completely coated in Resin, growing some of the stickiest buds i've seen in a while. It had a great taste, very strong smell, great yield & was some very potent smoke (1 phenotype in particular was actually again some of the strongest pot that I've smoked in a while).

Like I said, I am pretty sure that the seeds came from Seeds Direct ( as this is where he orders basically all of his seeds - and has been doing so for many years.

Seeds Direct has seen many orders from me, him & another friend and I have never run into any problems with them. My buddy had his seeds confiscated 1 time in all these years (and he just got a letter in the mail saying that they had held onto the package & requested him to come pick it up - which he OBVIOUSLY didn't do! and that was all he ever heard). Anyway, he then let Seeds Direct know and they replaced his entire order of seeds with no hassle.

Well, good luck with everything. I hope that the AK-47 lives up to your standards (but I can tell ya right now that even back many years ago, it was never some 1-hit wonder strain like some made it out to be. It was just an above average (in potency) strain with a nice taste, strong smell and nice consistant producer - growing usually nice uniform plants with a good yield and were prety easy to grow (even for newer growers).

Stay Safe,

-Teddy

Hmm. Thanks for the info - I agree about being careful where you your seeds, but I used Seed Boutique . . . love it!

I hope AK will be a good one also, it's my first "name brand" strain that I'll have grown by myself (in years past I helped a fellow grower grow decent genetics while running bag seed myself) so I'd just be happy with some decent smoke . . .

Thanks again for the comment, much appreciated!

 

[DRorganic]

sourdog.



and serious seed bubblegum a great strain if you like very euphoric highs and good bag appeal .

 

[etinarcadiaego]

I know I started this thread, and that I could've let it die. But I've found some new info on this subject, straight from the horses mouth, such as it is.

Check it out (from Treating Yourself):

"For Simon, master breeder of Serious Seeds, finding the unique AK-47 genetic profile was a rare case of the 'lucky punch' every cannabis seed breeder dreams of. In 1992, after having tested thousands of experimental plants of different breeding lines, he finally achieved his goal of creating a high-quality Sativa/Indica strain with excellent overall properties and a lot of charisma - the AK-47 was born. Although Simon keeps the exact pedigree of AK-47 as a secret, like the composition of Coca Cola, he reveals that it was bred from Colombian, Mexican, Thai and Afghani seed stock, resulting in a 50:50 Indica/Sativa hybrid.



At the recent High Times Cannabis Cup (HTCC) 2003, there was some confusion about the fact that Simon entered AK-47 in the Indica Cup for the first time, instead of the Sativa Cup like before, in which the AK had gained several Cup honours, always being considered a mostly Sativa. But the above-mentioned Sativa/Indica relation of 50:50 allows for reclassifying AK-47 every time new results in the breeding process have lead to dominant outer traits of either the Sativa or the Indica type. Because after having finished a new strain and releasing it to the market, Simon uses to keep on working on the genetic formula and partly rebuilds the strains after some years by using previously unused material within the same genetic line as new parent, thus refreshing genetics. The trade-mark characteristics of the strain are basically maintained thereby, only the accents are shifted a little bit. This practice is the reason why Simon's small, but exclusive seed collection never loses its fascination and dynamics. On the HTCC 2003 Indica entry of AK-47 he comments: "Since the AK is currently more appropriately described as an Indica type of effect, we decided to enter it under Indica." Simon furthermore explains the reason for this recent Indica-dominated development of AK-47: "Imagine for example that during your breeding process you choose from each generation the shortest, fattest, mostly kick-ass plants for next parents all the time. Indeed, the % stays the same whatever plants you choose, but the plants effect and looks will be more what we call Indica-like. Such is the case, more or less."



An experienced grower called Cloudz conducted this project, using eight original White Russian seeds. All of them germinated On the whole, AK-47 has won 8 prizes at Cannabis Cups, covering a time period of one decade! It first scored 2nd place in the hydro category of the HTCC 1994, achieved the same ranking in the Indica category of the HTCC 2003 and, on top of that, was recently chosen as "plant of the year 2003" by High Times Magazine in Dec. 2003. "Forever young" could really be the motto of AK-47.


AK47 With its currently predominating Indica characteristics, AK-47 tends to grow to a medium-sized plant with only moderate side-branching, making for a large fat main cola along with several excellent secondary tops. Hence the overall yield can be way above average, Serious Seeds declares 350-500 g per m2 as achievable under good indoor conditions, after 53-63 days of flowering - which is a pretty good time deal, regarding the AK's outstanding qualities in both high and aroma. AK leafs are dark-green, showing more of the Indica spectrum, but not as wide as full Indica leafs. What is remarkable is the fact that also after the latest Indica approach in the AK breeding process, Simon managed to maintain that Sativa-typical high calyx-to-leaf ratio which means lots of flowers and only a few leafs. The single AK calyx size tends to be unsually large, resulting in fat clusters grouping together very decoratively and densely, contributing to the trade-mark appearance of AK-47. These fluffy, compact nuggs ooze lots of glistening trichomes and break up nicely, leaving plenty of resinous crystals on your fingers, unleashing an unusually strong, sweet and fruity aroma."

 

[HippyCrackTx]

sourdog.



and serious seed bubblegum a great strain if you like very euphoric highs and good bag appeal .

SWEEEET bubblegum plant DR. did you grow that from seed? ....wow! ive heard alot of good things about that strain

 

[sour power]

sour dog looks like a good yeilder