'DP' 'The Ultimate' - 'NFT SCROG'
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Hey Toke,
Yeah man, i'm just at the start of wk 5. Another 4 weeks maybe 3, tbh i can see the sati dom pheno's going 10wks(x 2) and the 50/50's(x 5) 9wks, and the x1 real indica dom going 8wks. This is where the GH RIPEN comes in handy, you gotta be carefull with that stuff though, causes so much stress they will hermie pretty easy i have found, but like i was saying before i do rate this product and it has it's place. it helps if you are in this situation and you want thing to RIPEN! It does help with balance & i dont mind if the 1 indi dom goes a little over! So we have an average of 9 weeks of 12/12 to touch-down.ETA'
Yeah that stretch and uneven canopy is because i havent been there to fix it up, its pissed me right off & was left to my bro to sort out who's a green-horn at the hydro game, so hes done good imo. It's little dissapointing from my point of view though, i am sure we will still get a good/sound yield so it aint all bad and i dont care as long as the smoke is top-notch!
Thanks for looking in bro'
Peace n Respect.................Scroger'
Yeah man, i'm just at the start of wk 5. Another 4 weeks maybe 3, tbh i can see the sati dom pheno's going 10wks(x 2) and the 50/50's(x 5) 9wks, and the x1 real indica dom going 8wks. This is where the GH RIPEN comes in handy, you gotta be carefull with that stuff though, causes so much stress they will hermie pretty easy i have found, but like i was saying before i do rate this product and it has it's place. it helps if you are in this situation and you want thing to RIPEN! It does help with balance & i dont mind if the 1 indi dom goes a little over! So we have an average of 9 weeks of 12/12 to touch-down.ETA'
Yeah that stretch and uneven canopy is because i havent been there to fix it up, its pissed me right off & was left to my bro to sort out who's a green-horn at the hydro game, so hes done good imo. It's little dissapointing from my point of view though, i am sure we will still get a good/sound yield so it aint all bad and i dont care as long as the smoke is top-notch!
Thanks for looking in bro'
Peace n Respect.................Scroger'
Yeah I`m sure you`ll get a good yield and smoke, you clearly no this biz well. Sure when you leave it to others, especially when less experienced, you cant expect the same as you`d achieve if you were there and on top of it yerself, but shit, where would you be with out the helpers when ya needs em.
I`ve never used anything to ripen up my buds, and probably never will. Good to know of something that`ll do the job if required though. I dont usually go for much in the way of additives except for a Zym product for keeping the rootzone in good shape and PK13/14. I`m going to look into Green Magic though, for foliar feeding cuttings, or try and find out what`s in it and make something up myself. Kind put me onto it and it sounds like just what I need with this strain, they root really well, mostly 100%, but always going yellow and light in patches.
Hey, you got any ideas going in respect of a vertical cylindrical grow then? I was impressed with Whythefnot`s set up. I`m contemplating putting a couple of vertical wings on the sides of mine, thinking I can maybe able to increase the canopy by around 50% if I can make the most out of the lighting I have and if my space can handle another couple of lights. I could possibly hang 2 lights, 1 horizontal and 1 vertical, per light mover which are already fitted to the sides of the grow. I`m all for maximising the fruits from my space, but having said that I haven`t vegged for long enough to fill my present screen up.
Best of luck with the last few weeks mate, Toke;-)
I`ve never used anything to ripen up my buds, and probably never will. Good to know of something that`ll do the job if required though. I dont usually go for much in the way of additives except for a Zym product for keeping the rootzone in good shape and PK13/14. I`m going to look into Green Magic though, for foliar feeding cuttings, or try and find out what`s in it and make something up myself. Kind put me onto it and it sounds like just what I need with this strain, they root really well, mostly 100%, but always going yellow and light in patches.
Hey, you got any ideas going in respect of a vertical cylindrical grow then? I was impressed with Whythefnot`s set up. I`m contemplating putting a couple of vertical wings on the sides of mine, thinking I can maybe able to increase the canopy by around 50% if I can make the most out of the lighting I have and if my space can handle another couple of lights. I could possibly hang 2 lights, 1 horizontal and 1 vertical, per light mover which are already fitted to the sides of the grow. I`m all for maximising the fruits from my space, but having said that I haven`t vegged for long enough to fill my present screen up.
Best of luck with the last few weeks mate, Toke;-)
Hey Toke,
I'm Going to advocate the use of Canna Boost Accelarator, if you dont use it you should. Yeah ive heard all the bullshit Snakeoil bollocks myself, but this product i rate very highly & i know not only does it enhance yield but it also enhances quality all round & i have seen a very noticable difference in flavour/aroma & yield so i'm gonna stick with this wicked product untill i can suss out how to make the stuff myself. The Canna Boost Accelerator Vs Mollasses thread by Hazy-Lady is one of the best and most informative i have seen in a long time bro'.
Let me know what you find out about the foliar Gm that 'Kind' has turned you on to as i'm interested in it too buddy!
How do you root clones, Have you tried Bubble'Cloning, believe me dude its the way to go, bye/bye yellowing due to humidity domes etc, i get 100% every time! 7-10 days!
I've never done a BOG grow(Box of Green) but that is the sort of style you are talking about, have you checked out any B'O'G Grows? Very doable & i'm interested too, it can never hurt maximising our output ah"! Good Luck with it all Bro'
Peace ............. Scroger'
I'm Going to advocate the use of Canna Boost Accelarator, if you dont use it you should. Yeah ive heard all the bullshit Snakeoil bollocks myself, but this product i rate very highly & i know not only does it enhance yield but it also enhances quality all round & i have seen a very noticable difference in flavour/aroma & yield so i'm gonna stick with this wicked product untill i can suss out how to make the stuff myself. The Canna Boost Accelerator Vs Mollasses thread by Hazy-Lady is one of the best and most informative i have seen in a long time bro'.
Let me know what you find out about the foliar Gm that 'Kind' has turned you on to as i'm interested in it too buddy!
How do you root clones, Have you tried Bubble'Cloning, believe me dude its the way to go, bye/bye yellowing due to humidity domes etc, i get 100% every time! 7-10 days!
I've never done a BOG grow(Box of Green) but that is the sort of style you are talking about, have you checked out any B'O'G Grows? Very doable & i'm interested too, it can never hurt maximising our output ah"! Good Luck with it all Bro'
Peace ............. Scroger'
Hey scroger, aint that the really expensive stuff, like crazy expensive? I cant bring myself to dive so freely into the manufactures blurb about their products. I tried the B`cuzz bloom booster, but noticed nothing extraordinary at all, though it was a troublesome grow all round so maybe not a fair judge. I do believe we`re ripped off over and over from the manufacturers and hydro shops, and I dont like it, but I`ll maybe look into the Canna booster. I`ve checked out the thread you mention above, but not for a while, its time I went back and checked out where she`s got with it.
I use peat pucks in a standard prop box. I tried an aero cloner once but couldn`t get the hang of it at all.
I took these a few days ago.
B,O,G eh? I`ll be looking into that, thanks.
Cheers mate, Toke ;-)
I use peat pucks in a standard prop box. I tried an aero cloner once but couldn`t get the hang of it at all.
I took these a few days ago.
B,O,G eh? I`ll be looking into that, thanks.
Cheers mate, Toke ;-)
Toke,
That Canna B/A is the BOMB dude believe me, the trichome production increase alone is something else & the increase in yield pays for itself instantly (upto 20%) imvho bro'
Do you think i like paying the £50 a litre they ask for this stuff, ive seen a noticable difference in OVERALL quality & yield and thats good enough for me to stick with the stuff! try it bro, if it dont work for you i'll be 100% shocked! let me know!
Theres ya problem right there bro'-'humidity dome'!. Bubble is a bit different from Aero Cloning, you want to check out a few threads on the subject here, i'll throw a usefull link in on the bottom of the page for ya dude! BTW them cuts look well heathy dude, dont see any yellowing!
Here's a very useful link by Cortez:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26473&page=2
Peace & Respect....................Scroger'
BTW, for years i was a A+B + Oxy+ man(+maybe a little superthrive), that was it, simplicity still holds high with me bro & i too dont believe the hype/bullshit.......Fkin Snake-oil BullShittt, but the CBA Works and does exactly what its says on the tin/bottle"!imo#!
That Canna B/A is the BOMB dude believe me, the trichome production increase alone is something else & the increase in yield pays for itself instantly (upto 20%) imvho bro'
Do you think i like paying the £50 a litre they ask for this stuff, ive seen a noticable difference in OVERALL quality & yield and thats good enough for me to stick with the stuff! try it bro, if it dont work for you i'll be 100% shocked! let me know!
Theres ya problem right there bro'-'humidity dome'!. Bubble is a bit different from Aero Cloning, you want to check out a few threads on the subject here, i'll throw a usefull link in on the bottom of the page for ya dude! BTW them cuts look well heathy dude, dont see any yellowing!
Here's a very useful link by Cortez:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26473&page=2
Peace & Respect....................Scroger'
BTW, for years i was a A+B + Oxy+ man(+maybe a little superthrive), that was it, simplicity still holds high with me bro & i too dont believe the hype/bullshit.......Fkin Snake-oil BullShittt, but the CBA Works and does exactly what its says on the tin/bottle"!imo#!
Your rating goes a long way with me mate, I may well give it a go, dont know whether I can afford it this grow though as I`m proper skint. How far does a £50 bottle go with your size of grow? Of course mine will be different feeding pots of coco with run to waste but it may give a rough idea.
What do ya mean about, there`s yer problem, - humidity dome? Its been standard practice for years and years has`nt it. This is the only strain I`ve had any issues with yellowing, usually just before the roots start showing around day 10 from popping them in the peat jiffys.
I`m in the frame of mind for improving all areas of my growing though, 2010 is the year of taking things seriously and making sure I get a good working set uo. My last year was bloody awful, hence all the upgrades to my methods and set-up.
I`ll take a good look at the link mate, much appreciated.
Cheers, Toke;-)
What do ya mean about, there`s yer problem, - humidity dome? Its been standard practice for years and years has`nt it. This is the only strain I`ve had any issues with yellowing, usually just before the roots start showing around day 10 from popping them in the peat jiffys.
I`m in the frame of mind for improving all areas of my growing though, 2010 is the year of taking things seriously and making sure I get a good working set uo. My last year was bloody awful, hence all the upgrades to my methods and set-up.
I`ll take a good look at the link mate, much appreciated.
Cheers, Toke;-)
Hey Toke,
Yeah Dude the stuff is very expensive, it takes the piss man, but it does what it's supposed to & thats good enough for me buddy! I go with half strength which is 20mls per 10 ltrs & then build it up weekly, 25,30,35 & 40mls is full strength. This Grow i'll need another 250ml bottle of the stuff, so thats about £70.00 i would have spent on the stuff for the whole grow.
I dont like throwing money away, who does!, but this stuff is worth it imo'.
Yeah 2010 is gonna be an interesting year & i cant wait to get things on the go. Have a good 1 Buddy!
Peace & Respect................Scroger'
Yeah Dude the stuff is very expensive, it takes the piss man, but it does what it's supposed to & thats good enough for me buddy! I go with half strength which is 20mls per 10 ltrs & then build it up weekly, 25,30,35 & 40mls is full strength. This Grow i'll need another 250ml bottle of the stuff, so thats about £70.00 i would have spent on the stuff for the whole grow.
I dont like throwing money away, who does!, but this stuff is worth it imo'.
Yeah 2010 is gonna be an interesting year & i cant wait to get things on the go. Have a good 1 Buddy!
Peace & Respect................Scroger'
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Data on Ripen
Data on Ripen
Looking good Scrogerman
Got the online data sheet for the ingredients in Ripen
For some reason it wont let me post the link but heres whats in it. It does not gives ratios or percentages
Phosphoric acid, Potassium phosphate, Magnesium phosphate, Potassium chloride, Magnesium sulfate, Potassium sulfate, Ammonium sulfate, Potassium nitrate, and Magnesium carbonate.
That is all they list, so just ionic salts, no organics (hormones, enzymes, etc).
Looks like a flowering solution, notice there is no Calcium listed, or much trace elements. Looks like a sulphate overdose.
I also notice that Nitrogen is there ,my take was that there was no Nitrogen in the bottle at all.
Can i ask you how do you use ripen? to get a uniform crop harvest or for stranglers, any data you can give me on it for best results on it's uses.
Keep up the good work
Data on Ripen
Looking good Scrogerman
Got the online data sheet for the ingredients in Ripen
For some reason it wont let me post the link but heres whats in it. It does not gives ratios or percentages
Phosphoric acid, Potassium phosphate, Magnesium phosphate, Potassium chloride, Magnesium sulfate, Potassium sulfate, Ammonium sulfate, Potassium nitrate, and Magnesium carbonate.
That is all they list, so just ionic salts, no organics (hormones, enzymes, etc).
Looks like a flowering solution, notice there is no Calcium listed, or much trace elements. Looks like a sulphate overdose.
I also notice that Nitrogen is there ,my take was that there was no Nitrogen in the bottle at all.
Can i ask you how do you use ripen? to get a uniform crop harvest or for stranglers, any data you can give me on it for best results on it's uses.
Keep up the good work
Sorry i missed that!
Sorry i missed that!
[quote=Tokesome;3053996]
I`ve never used anything to ripen up my buds, and probably never will. Good to know of something that`ll do the job if required though. I dont usually go for much in the way of additives except for a Zym product for keeping the rootzone in good shape and PK13/14. I`m going to look into Green Magic though, for foliar feeding cuttings, or try and find out what`s in it and make something up myself. Kind put me onto it and it sounds like just what I need with this strain, they root really well, mostly 100%, but always going yellow and light in patches.
'Hey Buddy it's very common & the Norm so to speak to get some yellowing & light patches when rooting cuttings the traditional way with a humidity dome. Thats what i meant when you were asking. I'll explain the science if you want but i'm sure you know that anyway as its pretty common knowledge & basics etc.
Quote-Toke'
Hey, you got any ideas going in respect of a vertical cylindrical grow then? I was impressed with Whythefnot`s set up. I`m contemplating putting a couple of vertical wings on the sides of mine, thinking I can maybe able to increase the canopy by around 50%
Best of luck with the last few weeks mate, Toke;-)[/quote]
What exactly do you mean buddy, i'd love to disscuss a cylindrical vert grow with you, anytime buddy, PM me sometime & we'll share some ideas! Yeah that set-Up of Whythefnot's is very impressive dude! Yeah i agree on the 50% increase of your canopy, it would make your grow a B'O'G stlye grow, Very-Cool Indeed!
Thanks for the luck, i'm gonna need it, as my bro/parrt has taken it upon himself to mess with the feeding schedual, adding and taking away stuff & he knows fuck all about it, mad fucker, i'm gonna have it out with him when i see him next LOL, I wish people would fucking listen to me sometimes, i'm gonna tell him if he mess'es again it could all end in tears and ui hope he reads this post LMFAO'
Anyway bro till next time...Peace..............Scroger.
Sorry i missed that!
[quote=Tokesome;3053996]
I`ve never used anything to ripen up my buds, and probably never will. Good to know of something that`ll do the job if required though. I dont usually go for much in the way of additives except for a Zym product for keeping the rootzone in good shape and PK13/14. I`m going to look into Green Magic though, for foliar feeding cuttings, or try and find out what`s in it and make something up myself. Kind put me onto it and it sounds like just what I need with this strain, they root really well, mostly 100%, but always going yellow and light in patches.
'Hey Buddy it's very common & the Norm so to speak to get some yellowing & light patches when rooting cuttings the traditional way with a humidity dome. Thats what i meant when you were asking. I'll explain the science if you want but i'm sure you know that anyway as its pretty common knowledge & basics etc.
Quote-Toke'
Hey, you got any ideas going in respect of a vertical cylindrical grow then? I was impressed with Whythefnot`s set up. I`m contemplating putting a couple of vertical wings on the sides of mine, thinking I can maybe able to increase the canopy by around 50%
Best of luck with the last few weeks mate, Toke;-)[/quote]
What exactly do you mean buddy, i'd love to disscuss a cylindrical vert grow with you, anytime buddy, PM me sometime & we'll share some ideas! Yeah that set-Up of Whythefnot's is very impressive dude! Yeah i agree on the 50% increase of your canopy, it would make your grow a B'O'G stlye grow, Very-Cool Indeed!
Thanks for the luck, i'm gonna need it, as my bro/parrt has taken it upon himself to mess with the feeding schedual, adding and taking away stuff & he knows fuck all about it, mad fucker, i'm gonna have it out with him when i see him next LOL, I wish people would fucking listen to me sometimes, i'm gonna tell him if he mess'es again it could all end in tears and ui hope he reads this post LMFAO'
Anyway bro till next time...Peace..............Scroger.
Can i grab a chair?
Can i grab a chair?
Hi there Scrogerman!
You got a wild and lovelly screen goin on there!
I hope you dont mind me grabing a chair and rolling a fat one...
I´m sure there´s plenty a noobo like me can learn on these precious pages.
Just got my hands on a pack of "The Ultimate" and it´s so nice to find someone growing it properlly
Just a tiny question...how was your germ rate with those seeds?
Mine look a bit lazy
All the bestyour screen rocks!
Can i grab a chair?
Hi there Scrogerman!
You got a wild and lovelly screen goin on there!
I hope you dont mind me grabing a chair and rolling a fat one...
I´m sure there´s plenty a noobo like me can learn on these precious pages.
Just got my hands on a pack of "The Ultimate" and it´s so nice to find someone growing it properlly
Just a tiny question...how was your germ rate with those seeds?
Mine look a bit lazy
All the best
your screen rocks!
Hey Geezer,
Yeah Paulo that was 90 % only because 1 was bust up. Fucking small seeds though so i got in touch with DP & they said & reassured me they were all like that. They have there reasons lol, But yeah like they told me i'd be happy when i saw the crack!
Peace & Love Bro...........Scroger............Have a great 2010 - I hope its a lucky one for you!(|TBH they were slow starters)
Yeah Paulo that was 90 % only because 1 was bust up. Fucking small seeds though so i got in touch with DP & they said & reassured me they were all like that. They have there reasons lol, But yeah like they told me i'd be happy when i saw the crack!
Peace & Love Bro...........Scroger............Have a great 2010 - I hope its a lucky one for you!(|TBH they were slow starters)
Oh bummer with yer man messin with yer feeding. Hope you`re on top of that mate. Maybe best to tell him to experiment, if he must, on his own half if they`re not all fed together. Its a fucker working with someone else though, its one of those things that get people thinking for themselves, and not always wisely!
Yeah I`ve got a few ideas re the vert scrogin, or at least the addition of vert scrog to my existing set-up, but they`re on hold for the mo as its gonna be a while before I`ll be doing anything about it, its still floating around me brain though. I`ll PM you when I get anything formulated.
All the best, Toke
Yeah I`ve got a few ideas re the vert scrogin, or at least the addition of vert scrog to my existing set-up, but they`re on hold for the mo as its gonna be a while before I`ll be doing anything about it, its still floating around me brain though. I`ll PM you when I get anything formulated.
All the best, Toke
Hey G22,
That NFT Tray is holding '8 plants,screen is 1.9m x 1.7m approx maybe a little more. Ideally i would have run 3 hydro ducts equally spread outunder the screen,would of saved about 2-3weeks of veg time,but funds dictated this was the only viable system we could use at the time. Next time it will be upgraded.
Peace..........Scroger
Pics coming Soon.......................!
That NFT Tray is holding '8 plants,screen is 1.9m x 1.7m approx maybe a little more. Ideally i would have run 3 hydro ducts equally spread outunder the screen,would of saved about 2-3weeks of veg time,but funds dictated this was the only viable system we could use at the time. Next time it will be upgraded.
Peace..........Scroger
Pics coming Soon.......................!
'Thats Scrogging Dude'!
'Thats Scrogging Dude'!
Yeah thats the whole point of Scrog buddy'.
The Idea is that a plant grown the traditional way with no bending or training etc does'nt get enough light penetration down to its lower buds. Scrog turns that style of growing on its head & allows you to train the plant horizontally through the Screen enabling even penetration of light to the Middle & Lower buds. Otherwise all the Screen would be doing is supporting the laterals/branches, which is not why we use the ScrOG. Like you have pointed out, once you start to train the tops, you get new auxillary shoots showing. These new-Shoots in turn, will turn in to Cola's themselves. I usually have anything upto 6 Colas off of One seconadary lateral/branch depending on strain. Using Bending & topping tecniques produces a lot of shoots as you know, but most of these get removed. I aim for between 40 - 60 well spaced Cola's per square meter with 2 plants. These numbers seem to work well & i still get some good size to my buds. On the other hand if you try & be greedy and try to grow 200 Colas in a Square Meter it's gonna be a fk-up, which a mate of mine did last year against my advise & ended up with a fuck load of popcorn buds, as you can imagine he was'nt very happy, but i did tell him not to, thats what happens if you try to be greedy, a plant can only produce to its potential, size and enviroment etc. Balance is required here in Scrog conditions & in my experiments 40-60 tops psm seems to be a good all round figure and produces very decent sized buds like i said! The Less Cola's the Bigger the buds, the more Cola's the Smaller the buds thats-'per Plant', so it should all hopefully make sense. Anyway dude so yeah tying the main stems after bending under the screen will make more tops but remember you need a balance as to how many we allow to mature and let flourish!
Hope this Helps some buddy. G'Luck with your Scrogging.
Peace & Respect....................Scroger
'Thats Scrogging Dude'!
Yeah thats the whole point of Scrog buddy'.
The Idea is that a plant grown the traditional way with no bending or training etc does'nt get enough light penetration down to its lower buds. Scrog turns that style of growing on its head & allows you to train the plant horizontally through the Screen enabling even penetration of light to the Middle & Lower buds. Otherwise all the Screen would be doing is supporting the laterals/branches, which is not why we use the ScrOG. Like you have pointed out, once you start to train the tops, you get new auxillary shoots showing. These new-Shoots in turn, will turn in to Cola's themselves. I usually have anything upto 6 Colas off of One seconadary lateral/branch depending on strain. Using Bending & topping tecniques produces a lot of shoots as you know, but most of these get removed. I aim for between 40 - 60 well spaced Cola's per square meter with 2 plants. These numbers seem to work well & i still get some good size to my buds. On the other hand if you try & be greedy and try to grow 200 Colas in a Square Meter it's gonna be a fk-up, which a mate of mine did last year against my advise & ended up with a fuck load of popcorn buds, as you can imagine he was'nt very happy, but i did tell him not to, thats what happens if you try to be greedy, a plant can only produce to its potential, size and enviroment etc. Balance is required here in Scrog conditions & in my experiments 40-60 tops psm seems to be a good all round figure and produces very decent sized buds like i said! The Less Cola's the Bigger the buds, the more Cola's the Smaller the buds thats-'per Plant', so it should all hopefully make sense. Anyway dude so yeah tying the main stems after bending under the screen will make more tops but remember you need a balance as to how many we allow to mature and let flourish!
Hope this Helps some buddy. G'Luck with your Scrogging.
Peace & Respect....................Scroger
Yeah sorry scroger, that was a bit confusing, ya musta wondered what planet I`d smoked myself onto seeing as I`ve trained my plants by lst and then under the screen. I meant after a couple of weeks in flower, as in my case, They`ve stretched but only a little and I dont anticipate them going mad. The canopy is dense with a lot of leaves needing tucking away to expose heads.
I haven`t done a sqr meter count, the figures you give should give me a good reference point to go on. I`ve got 14 in 4.5m2 but I have a lot of branches well trained and a lot of strong healthy tops including many of the secondary branches/shoots you mention, and its pretty even, but there are shit loads more just poking through two to 3 inches underneath these main colas. When I was looking at them it just made me wonder if this is what you were referring to by the 80 or so heads you missed out on cos yer buddy didn`t quite know how to do it in your absence. I think it must have been around the same stage that I`m at now? I want lots of good sized colas and dont want to over do things and dont want the plants to become stunted by stressin some of them too much, some of the larger stems and heads will pull down and tie, but they really do need some pulling. I`m not sure whether to get ruthless and chop all these smaller off shoots or pull all the bigger ones back 2-3 inches and allow more through. I dont know if you can get a sense of where I`m at with mine.
Sorry if I`m expecting too much of ya here mate, its difficult to get a real sense of the detail over the web, and other than a couple of attempts in the growtent, where I over trained under the screen throughout stretch, I haven`t seen any apart from on the web and just trying to make my efforts max for me after an incredibly tough year.
I could do some of the screen differently, so if necessary I can at least experiment a little so I have it down for next time, but wanna make the most of this one now I`ve worked so hard to overcome the problems I`ve been having. Sure you understand that one ;-)
I`ll do a head count tmro ;-)
Cheers, Toke
I haven`t done a sqr meter count, the figures you give should give me a good reference point to go on. I`ve got 14 in 4.5m2 but I have a lot of branches well trained and a lot of strong healthy tops including many of the secondary branches/shoots you mention, and its pretty even, but there are shit loads more just poking through two to 3 inches underneath these main colas. When I was looking at them it just made me wonder if this is what you were referring to by the 80 or so heads you missed out on cos yer buddy didn`t quite know how to do it in your absence. I think it must have been around the same stage that I`m at now? I want lots of good sized colas and dont want to over do things and dont want the plants to become stunted by stressin some of them too much, some of the larger stems and heads will pull down and tie, but they really do need some pulling. I`m not sure whether to get ruthless and chop all these smaller off shoots or pull all the bigger ones back 2-3 inches and allow more through. I dont know if you can get a sense of where I`m at with mine.
Sorry if I`m expecting too much of ya here mate, its difficult to get a real sense of the detail over the web, and other than a couple of attempts in the growtent, where I over trained under the screen throughout stretch, I haven`t seen any apart from on the web and just trying to make my efforts max for me after an incredibly tough year.
I could do some of the screen differently, so if necessary I can at least experiment a little so I have it down for next time, but wanna make the most of this one now I`ve worked so hard to overcome the problems I`ve been having. Sure you understand that one ;-)
I`ll do a head count tmro ;-)
Cheers, Toke
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Hey Toke Buddy!
Yeah its a tricky business but a rewarding one in the end.
We have the Main/Merry stem, then we have the Secondary branches that come off in pairs on each leaf node. Then we got all them auxillary shoots all the way down the Secondary's,(I agree its a little confusing somtimes especially trying to explain technical issues, when your writing and english skills aint up to much lol). Yeah them Auxillary shoots as i call them, the ones all the way down the secondary's in pairs mostly get removed but it depends on many variables whether or not they get removed. Sometimes there may be like 20 or more of those shoots on a single secondary branch but only the top 4-6 that will be getting used & this depends on things like the size of your screen, how high the screen is, planting density(plants per square meter) etc. The 40-60 Cola/Tops i go for psm has always worked perfect and leaves you with the perfect size buds & really good air-flow throughout the canopy imo, its gotta be better than having 100 say or 200 like my buddy did!. So You always have to think ahead like in a game of Chess, you are always 5 or 6 moves ahead, & it's a big help to visualise what your canopy is gonna look like or how you want it, then train for that shape, spacing and Tops/Cola numbers. If you break it down into square feet its easier again imo, just do the math. I find its easier in feet as its a smaller area and its easier to concentrate on spacing of Cola's, we dont want them all bunched up & tying off helps some too. The Auxillary shoots that aint going to be used are just gonna leeach off of the other growth, so they get removed,
There is gonna be a hell of a lot of these shoots getting removed out of your Monster Scrog thats for sure. I'd say just visualise which ones you are gonna use, think 6 or even 10 moves ahead & train for that shape, by the time you are 3 weeks into bloom most of the undergrowth and auxillary shoots that aint getting used will have been removed by this time. Its a bit of a pain(understatment) in the arse removing all these tiny leeching little fuckers, but they gotta go & theres quite a few reasons why we remove them. Pick how many Tops you want Psf and get trimming off anything else. You'll be glad you did. Peace Bro & i'll pop in to your thread for a look!
Respect........Scroger'
BTW- Yes buddy you are correct, my buddy had a go at scrogging without me and buried 80 tops in my absence. He'd been watching for a while & thought he was confident enough to give it ago, he thought he'd done a good job, but in reality he fucked it up & we lost around 80 tops, i bollocked him told him he was an idiot etc, but fair play to him for trying, he just wanted a go, & i think i make it look alot easier than it really is, thats why he went for it, bless him, we lost Buds dude(Secondary&Auxillarys were buried), after he relised his mistake he was kicking himself, it does not pay to be impatient when someone is teaching you, my buddy found out the hard way, but i'm still proud of him for having a go as it was a dam tricky-sticky situation/time. LOL!
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Hey Toke Buddy!
Yeah its a tricky business but a rewarding one in the end.
We have the Main/Merry stem, then we have the Secondary branches that come off in pairs on each leaf node. Then we got all them auxillary shoots all the way down the Secondary's,(I agree its a little confusing somtimes especially trying to explain technical issues, when your writing and english skills aint up to much lol). Yeah them Auxillary shoots as i call them, the ones all the way down the secondary's in pairs mostly get removed but it depends on many variables whether or not they get removed. Sometimes there may be like 20 or more of those shoots on a single secondary branch but only the top 4-6 that will be getting used & this depends on things like the size of your screen, how high the screen is, planting density(plants per square meter) etc. The 40-60 Cola/Tops i go for psm has always worked perfect and leaves you with the perfect size buds & really good air-flow throughout the canopy imo, its gotta be better than having 100 say or 200 like my buddy did!. So You always have to think ahead like in a game of Chess, you are always 5 or 6 moves ahead, & it's a big help to visualise what your canopy is gonna look like or how you want it, then train for that shape, spacing and Tops/Cola numbers. If you break it down into square feet its easier again imo, just do the math. I find its easier in feet as its a smaller area and its easier to concentrate on spacing of Cola's, we dont want them all bunched up & tying off helps some too. The Auxillary shoots that aint going to be used are just gonna leeach off of the other growth, so they get removed,
There is gonna be a hell of a lot of these shoots getting removed out of your Monster Scrog thats for sure. I'd say just visualise which ones you are gonna use, think 6 or even 10 moves ahead & train for that shape, by the time you are 3 weeks into bloom most of the undergrowth and auxillary shoots that aint getting used will have been removed by this time. Its a bit of a pain(understatment) in the arse removing all these tiny leeching little fuckers, but they gotta go & theres quite a few reasons why we remove them. Pick how many Tops you want Psf and get trimming off anything else. You'll be glad you did. Peace Bro & i'll pop in to your thread for a look!
Respect........Scroger'
BTW- Yes buddy you are correct, my buddy had a go at scrogging without me and buried 80 tops in my absence. He'd been watching for a while & thought he was confident enough to give it ago, he thought he'd done a good job, but in reality he fucked it up & we lost around 80 tops, i bollocked him told him he was an idiot etc, but fair play to him for trying, he just wanted a go, & i think i make it look alot easier than it really is, thats why he went for it, bless him, we lost Buds dude(Secondary&Auxillarys were buried), after he relised his mistake he was kicking himself, it does not pay to be impatient when someone is teaching you, my buddy found out the hard way, but i'm still proud of him for having a go as it was a dam tricky-sticky situation/time. LOL!
Thanks Dude, that`s about as precise as I could expect and gives me a much clearer understanding of what I`m trying to achieve. I probably wont get much done this weekend other than feeding duties as its a mate`s b`day and partying hard is on the cards, so those lil sucker shoots will carry on sapping some energy from the top fro 2-3 more days. . . . . then off wi their heads. I reckon I can see which ones will make it to the final stages, and which weedy ones to remove.
I`m sure that info would be useful to many people attempting the scrog technique for the first time blind.
Many thanks Scroger ;-)
I`m sure that info would be useful to many people attempting the scrog technique for the first time blind.
Many thanks Scroger ;-)
