Rad, dude 
I've never used the bay, it sounds hectic, lol.
I've never used the bay, it sounds hectic, lol.
220w pl-l coco scrog cupboard
Man I tell ya the adrenaline was flowing fast and furious, you could feel it leeching out of the monitor, shit the first drop crashed within 2 mins, then it was back up within 5 mins but 1000 people with multiple tabs open hitting refresh crashed mysql, on the second round an hour later I got to the Sour Queen as quick as possible, hit buy now then hit verify and fucking boom down she goes again, don't think the missus liked hearing me scream and curse @ 3.30 am then again @ 4.30 am, set the dog off as well. hahahaha Thank You to Gypsy and Rez and ICMag and SeedBay for such a fun morning, the come down was pretty harsh I tell you. Still might have some white x sd in a couple of months bro, and if so I will be looking after me mates for sure, incredible offer (to me) that I will be sharing the love.
Peace.
Peace.
Haha that's a fantastic write up bro. 
Quite the event!
I took a few pics
There's something going on with the leaves. Some kind of change from the ferts. Not sure if good or bad yet but in general everythings going the same as.
Quite the event! I took a few pics
There's something going on with the leaves. Some kind of change from the ferts. Not sure if good or bad yet but in general everythings going the same as.
Those TW x PD's are really starting to pack on the white hairs, looking nice and healthy bro, how's the rest of them going (leaf wise)?? Do you think the epsom has helped any, or too early to tell?? I hope the PD side of genetics helps put a bit more strength into those TW branches, looks like they are going to need it. I think that my fav one is just about done, it's stopped throwing white hairs over 2 weeks ago and has sort of stalled with growth/swelling etc. The PD's are ready in 45 - 55 days(according to Rez, and the Dynamites are ready in 50 days) and I think mine is about day 43, but it could fill out a whole lot more imo, most of my Lot 2's fill out a lot better than this one, but it could be that I got it knocked up very early in the peace and the plant now thinks it's all done with. Lucky I have quite a few crosses with the Lot 2's and the D x PD's, I've got crosses with my indica and sativas phenos (Lot2), so it will be interesting for the rest of this year, plus I should have some more killer genetics coming my way within the next few months 
, it shall be fun growing and breeding these strains, I'm on the hunt for the perfect heavy yielding resin producing early finishing mini baseball bat style plants that work in nicely with us micro growers 
. Well that's my rave/ranting for the morning, time to look around IC and see what's happening today.
Peace an Gardening Bro.
, it shall be fun growing and breeding these strains, I'm on the hunt for the perfect heavy yielding resin producing early finishing mini baseball bat style plants that work in nicely with us micro growers . Well that's my rave/ranting for the morning, time to look around IC and see what's happening today.Peace an Gardening Bro.
Heya buddy 
Wow, ready already? I had no idea these were such quick strains - I really only researched the trainwreck in any depth. I know the Trainwreck has a wide window of harvest and can be pulled fairly early no probs. Yeah mine are pumping out the hairs for sure. I reckon there's probably 3 keepers I'd like to reveg.
I decided not to make any seed on the PD's because it does affect them like you noticed. The one time I've ever tried revegging, it was a plant which had supplied a few hundred seeds, and it failed. I figure the plant knows that it's reached it's goal, so there is no point revegging. I'm gonna try to pull these on the early side too, to keep them further from their goal. I'll seriously cry if I can't reveg any!
Those seedlings I was going to pick up for the ccfl thing were actually some of the C99xPD and also some BC big bud F1s, but they got given to another friend. I can still get cuts though. Might try for some pollen too. It's nice having a "circle" and it's nice to have you in it
Due to my love of hiphop, I've always had a desire to grow Chronic, lol. It sounds perfect in terms of budball bats, but apparently it's not all that in the smoke department. I've never actually smoked it.
Have a good'un.
Wow, ready already? I had no idea these were such quick strains - I really only researched the trainwreck in any depth. I know the Trainwreck has a wide window of harvest and can be pulled fairly early no probs. Yeah mine are pumping out the hairs for sure. I reckon there's probably 3 keepers I'd like to reveg.I decided not to make any seed on the PD's because it does affect them like you noticed. The one time I've ever tried revegging, it was a plant which had supplied a few hundred seeds, and it failed. I figure the plant knows that it's reached it's goal, so there is no point revegging. I'm gonna try to pull these on the early side too, to keep them further from their goal. I'll seriously cry if I can't reveg any!
Those seedlings I was going to pick up for the ccfl thing were actually some of the C99xPD and also some BC big bud F1s, but they got given to another friend. I can still get cuts though. Might try for some pollen too. It's nice having a "circle" and it's nice to have you in it
Due to my love of hiphop, I've always had a desire to grow Chronic, lol. It sounds perfect in terms of budball bats, but apparently it's not all that in the smoke department. I've never actually smoked it.
Have a good'un.
Say wut? Are you saying PK and Chronic have similar/same genetics? Or just that it's great smoke? Lol, I kinda guessed the last bit already I'll get one going soon - it's probably about time.
I'll get one going soon - it's probably about time.
Fail
Fail
Massive fail
I gave them an EWC slurry tonight, but have since come to the conclusion that this is some kind of lockout caused by over feeding something that it didn't need. Does this sound logical? Like I said, it's pretty rare that they weren't fed something. The tips/buds themselves seem to be way too green for my liking. There are all kinds of slight differences to the problems across the plants. I'm thinking I'll just give them water for a while and see what happens. Bad idea?
Gonna be tough revegging these with no leaves
Fail
Massive fail
I gave them an EWC slurry tonight, but have since come to the conclusion that this is some kind of lockout caused by over feeding something that it didn't need. Does this sound logical? Like I said, it's pretty rare that they weren't fed something. The tips/buds themselves seem to be way too green for my liking. There are all kinds of slight differences to the problems across the plants. I'm thinking I'll just give them water for a while and see what happens. Bad idea?
Gonna be tough revegging these with no leaves
Shit at first it looks bad but then after looking at the other pics bro, I'd say you had/have nute lockout for sure, but you say you maybe overferted them?? all the tops are def very green but no burnt tips on the leaves(from down ova here) so the plants could be just picking themselves back up from the lockout. Strange how it is throwing all the big fans though like a N def, your thumbnail middle photo shows leaves with discolouration but also brown spots, if they aren't bulb burns then they are the key to the type of lockout maybe(I'm gonna have to check back to ya on that though), the third thumb pic shows the differences across the plants you mentioned, bro plain (ph'd) water is a very good idea IMO if the plants are locked out, another thing could be that they are super fucking sensitive to something in ya nutes, they don't look happy throwing all those leaves but then the tops are saying all systems fucking GO. Plain water can't hurt at this stage at all bro. I'm going to see if I can track down some info on the condition of those leaves for ya.
Peace and Gardening Bro.
Peace and Gardening Bro.
Cheers boom. Yeah, with the variation I have all those things. The main prob is the yellowing between veins, but other leaves will be yellow all over, including the veins. There's purple stems. There's yellow blotches. There's fading yellow. There's leaves on the buds so dark green they look waxy or glossy. There's every damn thing wrong.
There aren't any distinct signs of nute burn but you wouldn't need to burn them to have a problem with an imbalance from what I understand.
So what ph should I make the water? Thanks for your assistance bro.
There aren't any distinct signs of nute burn but you wouldn't need to burn them to have a problem with an imbalance from what I understand.
So what ph should I make the water? Thanks for your assistance bro.
I wouldn't worry that much about it Scrubs. I've seen plants producing fine buds in spite of a low amount of leaves. Waxy/glossy = good in my opinion.
To me it looks like you simply been low on N during your fast growth/stretch period.
Once the plants start "shutting down" a leaf for N to be relocated to the growing tips its an irreversible process, and the effected leafs will eventually drop even if the problem is fixed.
I would continue as planned using the "what ever you use " flowering Thea or nute blend(If she's a hungry girl, step it up a bit ), feeding them extra N at this point isn't beneficial for your flowering process!
Your plants have been growing far to much while you've had the problem to make me think of a lockout.
But thats just my opinion
BTW, I'm sure your would have to feed a LOT of MgSO4 to kill of your biology, you would get some Ca problems long before. In small amounts you won't damage plant or microbes. I would go ahead with the Mg treatment until no new leafs got affected.
Do you know anything about your calcium levels in the water you use?
Good luck mate.
To me it looks like you simply been low on N during your fast growth/stretch period.
Once the plants start "shutting down" a leaf for N to be relocated to the growing tips its an irreversible process, and the effected leafs will eventually drop even if the problem is fixed.
I would continue as planned using the "what ever you use
" flowering Thea or nute blend(If she's a hungry girl, step it up a bit ), feeding them extra N at this point isn't beneficial for your flowering process!Your plants have been growing far to much while you've had the problem to make me think of a lockout.
But thats just my opinion
BTW, I'm sure your would have to feed a LOT of MgSO4 to kill of your biology, you would get some Ca problems long before. In small amounts you won't damage plant or microbes. I would go ahead with the Mg treatment until no new leafs got affected.
Do you know anything about your calcium levels in the water you use?
Good luck mate.
Hey scrub, about how wide are your 55w pll's?
I'm gonna be building a PC grow box and I haven't been able to find any dimensions other than length.
I'm gonna be building a PC grow box and I haven't been able to find any dimensions other than length.
J-Blunt
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i dont pretend to be a professional by any means, but personally i would just ph de-chlorinated tap water to 5.8-6.1 and water real good with that for a day or 3. pull dead leaves and when you start back up with some nutes see what the leaves look like after a few days. it really doesnt look crazy serious to me tho. haha have faith
Oh man I'm so confused, haha.
Pedro, I want to believe you, you put across a great argument, except when the problem appeared in veg I could give those small lil plants 4 waterings of full strength fish emulsion in a week and see basically no change. (10mls per litre of 2.5/0.3/0.25) (I have since then bought better fish emulsion with higher levels in general and a higher ratio of N). This is basically why I think it can't be N. I mean, I was giving some of this all through veg and right through the stretch phase. Probably 5 mls/litre after the first flowers formed. Given none or very tiny amounts for a couple of weeks or so now.
It's never made a serious dent in the yellowing of the lower leaves, and while I could find you one or two leaves with an overall yellowing like a N def, the vast majority of the problem is the yellowing with green veins, or just random yellow blotches fading in anywhere on any leaf.
Thanks a lot - I will give this a deeper thought after I wake up some What do you think now, considering how much I fed them? With tomatoes etc it was no problem for me to keep dark green leaves right down to the first set, even on a metre tall fruiting tomato in a tiny 1 litre pot or so. N is the easiest of all def's to deal with but I could never make any real impact with this from the word go.
Thanks J.
Mr Bastard - good luck with that. Here are the measurements in millimetres (43.9). They are all the same width, they just vary in length over the wattages.
Thanks for reading guys. Yeah I'll get some buds out of it, just not sure how pretty they will look
Pedro, I want to believe you, you put across a great argument, except when the problem appeared in veg I could give those small lil plants 4 waterings of full strength fish emulsion in a week and see basically no change. (10mls per litre of 2.5/0.3/0.25) (I have since then bought better fish emulsion with higher levels in general and a higher ratio of N). This is basically why I think it can't be N. I mean, I was giving some of this all through veg and right through the stretch phase. Probably 5 mls/litre after the first flowers formed. Given none or very tiny amounts for a couple of weeks or so now.
It's never made a serious dent in the yellowing of the lower leaves, and while I could find you one or two leaves with an overall yellowing like a N def, the vast majority of the problem is the yellowing with green veins, or just random yellow blotches fading in anywhere on any leaf.
Thanks a lot - I will give this a deeper thought after I wake up some
What do you think now, considering how much I fed them? With tomatoes etc it was no problem for me to keep dark green leaves right down to the first set, even on a metre tall fruiting tomato in a tiny 1 litre pot or so. N is the easiest of all def's to deal with but I could never make any real impact with this from the word go.Thanks J.
Mr Bastard - good luck with that. Here are the measurements in millimetres (43.9). They are all the same width, they just vary in length over the wattages.
Thanks for reading guys. Yeah I'll get some buds out of it, just not sure how pretty they will look
Nice, yeah a friend uses that. I've been using Multicrop EcoFish but the new bottle is Searles Pure Fish (11/2.8/2.7). Actually I think that's a lower ratio of N than the old stuff. 
Heya b00m. Hmmmm... I think they may be improving a little. It seems like green is going back into the leaves. There was still a huge amount of crisp lower leaves I pulled off just now, but the ones at the top seem to be spreading green out from the veins and the blotching looks not so bad. It's pretty minor and I can't even guarantee it's taking place, but that's how it seems. I noticed though that some plants have got very light rams horns/leaf claw thing going on. This makes me think it's the epsom salts that helped. I only used a light dose, like 2/3rds of a teaspoon in a gallon.
I think I'll give them water tonight and maybe think about another light epsom dose after that. I have a habit of panicing and doing crazy shit under stress, so does this sound like a reasonable idea?
Haha, the buds look pretty good though! They've been growing quite well enough through all of this.
I think I'll give them water tonight and maybe think about another light epsom dose after that. I have a habit of panicing and doing crazy shit under stress, so does this sound like a reasonable idea?
Haha, the buds look pretty good though! They've been growing quite well enough through all of this.
Sorry I don't think I answered this - no, I have no idea.
I've been meaning to contact the council about it.
I would just do the water if it was me. I agree the buds look good, I'm hoping for ya that this is the end of the BS and they are going to hit 5th gear so to speak.
No pics my end @ moment, but looking to transplant a bunch of my very indica Lot 1's tomorrow so hopefully after that. All my seed crosses are ripening up nicely too. So tempted to stay up for the BOG seed drop tonight @ 3am, that sour bubble and sour lifesaver are calling my name...... " b0000000m buy us ya broke as fuck."
Peace Bro.
No pics my end @ moment, but looking to transplant a bunch of my very indica Lot 1's tomorrow so hopefully after that. All my seed crosses are ripening up nicely too. So tempted to stay up for the BOG seed drop tonight @ 3am, that sour bubble and sour lifesaver are calling my name...... " b0000000m buy us ya broke as fuck."
Peace Bro.
