Is Nevilles Haze still the strongest haze?
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I'm going along with what the new guy said!!!!!!!!!
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Dalaihempy
Not wanting to get into the GHS shit here but fact is they did not have or ever have any of the perent lines to nevilles haze so if they didnt have the perent lines well you can work the rest out im sure.
I still have f1 NH from the batch neville made and have F1 NH shanti made same seed it realy comes down to this and its like a group of artists they can all start with the same paints white canvas and theam or topic to paint but the end resolts will be very diffrent from each person.
Like art breeding will take a diffrent path in each person or group that work a given line now if toms haze is pure or if its a hybrid it dont mater as i know its from real haze as is sams as is nevilles and MNS i think thats whats importent wich persons you go with is your choice after all.
I still have f1 NH from the batch neville made and have F1 NH shanti made same seed it realy comes down to this and its like a group of artists they can all start with the same paints white canvas and theam or topic to paint but the end resolts will be very diffrent from each person.
Like art breeding will take a diffrent path in each person or group that work a given line now if toms haze is pure or if its a hybrid it dont mater as i know its from real haze as is sams as is nevilles and MNS i think thats whats importent wich persons you go with is your choice after all.
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Cinderella99
"...I still have f1 NH from the batch neville made..."
Hempy, why don't you make many F2's and have GN send them out as freebies? IMO that would be a stellar service to the canna-community.
Hempy, why don't you make many F2's and have GN send them out as freebies? IMO that would be a stellar service to the canna-community.
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Dalaihempy
Like i sed pages ago there is a reson why neville and others make haze hybrids.
If you were to see the pure haze offerd as i saw it in 79 you would of laft at it as it looked like oily leaf nothing close to a cured sativa flower you would expect even from say a nevilles haze plant.
I found even nevilles haze i grew far from manageble as doc stated and have pics to proove it to not one female showed sex under 6 weeks the first to show sex were males starting at week 4 but they stood around 7 ft some taller and bent trained side ways one wouldnt sex at all think it was week 11 in flower wen i finaly thort no cull it and run it next run from clone wich i did and had her show sex at around week 6 what im trying to say here is this a pure haze line being a sativa line made up of diffrent sativas will yield big if you grow them right but will take so long to even come close to mature will produce the shitest looking flowers yet will not stop growing.
Neville added nl to it to basicly speed up the flowering yet even with 25% nl you think they finish at 16 weeks not for most plants maybe a few here and there why shanti says you need to grow out a good number to find a practicle nh phino most long flowering ones are just not going to work indoors or even out doors for most growers.
Hello the haze bro's or pure haze is a tall lanky pure sativa it has huge spaces between the internodes and stretches in a huge way .
No I do not know the haze bro's this strain was given to me by a old timer in Rotterdam that owns a greenhouse who has maintained it for many years since the mid 80's .
The smell is pretty much like cats piss and sandle wood .
The strain has never been hybridized and really still has lots of vigor for being so inbred I really don't know many generations it was inbred in holland .
RM
Folks have it in holland they just don't grow it because yields are low flowering times are very long , they get paid super high for SSH or nevils haze so why go through the trouble of growing a pure haze , also they stretch so much that they are hard to manage .
Rm
what im trying to say here is this a pure haze line being a sativa line made up of diffrent sativas will yield big if you grow them right but will take so long to even come close to mature will produce the shitest looking flowers yet will not stop growing.
but isnt it worth the wait
havnt had the chance but given the right circumstances i might hav another name
past thoughts i still feel
i lov holland and i lov haze ,but i dont feel the same thats upsetting thats the mindframe of dutch businessman,in 4 trips ive not seen nh avaible in shops let alone a good representation of her. some way too respect the father of seeds biz and ssh is beautiful but it doesnt satisfy my haze cravin tenfold ,the more sativa hybrids r bout 10 wks amnesia haze is 12 wks everybody goes nuts for her , yyy not grow the holy grail for 2 or 4 more weeks is just crazy.
money isnt everything ,ill take a oz of hbh to a pound of ssh anyday,i want the best always did ,i like to test my tolerance .if its the money they grow enough crappy weed to make dollars ,wat about giving the customer the best quality n having a selection of connesuier stash,were is the growers passion in his pocket ,does he enjoy growing swag.
how about breeders in holland were is there passion , yyy has no one offered these genetics ,or worked wit these genetics ,isnt it about preserving and spreading our genetics hows that possible if it stays in a greenhouse in rotterdam or a hill in cali.
she was legend in the 70's still spoken bout till today wats changed ,the influx of indies and harsher laws ,i think its more mindframe.
"...I still have f1 NH from the batch neville made..."
Hempy, why don't you make many F2's and have GN send them out as freebies? IMO that would be a stellar service to the canna-community.
i most def agree bout f2's however they are made available
damn hempy those are among the baddest ssh ive eva seen illie outright georgeous
id lov to hear a smoke report on that pheno
1luvbigherb
No I do not know the haze bro's this strain was given to me by a old timer in Rotterdam that owns a greenhouse who has maintained it for many years since the mid 80's .
The smell is pretty much like cats piss and sandle wood .
The strain has never been hybridized and really still has lots of vigor for being so inbred I really don't know many generations it was inbred in holland .
RM
Folks have it in holland they just don't grow it because yields are low flowering times are very long , they get paid super high for SSH or nevils haze so why go through the trouble of growing a pure haze , also they stretch so much that they are hard to manage .
Rm
what im trying to say here is this a pure haze line being a sativa line made up of diffrent sativas will yield big if you grow them right but will take so long to even come close to mature will produce the shitest looking flowers yet will not stop growing.
but isnt it worth the wait
havnt had the chance but given the right circumstances i might hav another name
past thoughts i still feel
i lov holland and i lov haze ,but i dont feel the same thats upsetting thats the mindframe of dutch businessman,in 4 trips ive not seen nh avaible in shops let alone a good representation of her. some way too respect the father of seeds biz and ssh is beautiful but it doesnt satisfy my haze cravin tenfold ,the more sativa hybrids r bout 10 wks amnesia haze is 12 wks everybody goes nuts for her , yyy not grow the holy grail for 2 or 4 more weeks is just crazy.
money isnt everything ,ill take a oz of hbh to a pound of ssh anyday,i want the best always did ,i like to test my tolerance .if its the money they grow enough crappy weed to make dollars ,wat about giving the customer the best quality n having a selection of connesuier stash,were is the growers passion in his pocket ,does he enjoy growing swag.
how about breeders in holland were is there passion , yyy has no one offered these genetics ,or worked wit these genetics ,isnt it about preserving and spreading our genetics hows that possible if it stays in a greenhouse in rotterdam or a hill in cali.
she was legend in the 70's still spoken bout till today wats changed ,the influx of indies and harsher laws ,i think its more mindframe.
"...I still have f1 NH from the batch neville made..."
Hempy, why don't you make many F2's and have GN send them out as freebies? IMO that would be a stellar service to the canna-community.
i most def agree bout f2's however they are made available
damn hempy those are among the baddest ssh ive eva seen illie outright georgeous
id lov to hear a smoke report on that pheno
1luvbigherb
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i just dropped 22 nevils haze seeds in to water
15 of the new release of nevils haze from mr nice bought from the farm and 7 from hazeseeker ,he got from shantibaba the old nevils haze i think when nevil last made them
all dropped in the same cup
also 10 sams original haze x skunk 1 tiny seeds(doubtfull these will sprout but might buy more if not as this has always interested me)
also 10(and 10 more in fridge if no winner found) nl5haze from sensi seeds from a year or 2 back
im hoping to find some amazing hazes out of these and they will be spread far and wide to all haze lovers
peace
15 of the new release of nevils haze from mr nice bought from the farm and 7 from hazeseeker ,he got from shantibaba the old nevils haze i think when nevil last made them
all dropped in the same cup
also 10 sams original haze x skunk 1 tiny seeds(doubtfull these will sprout but might buy more if not as this has always interested me)
also 10(and 10 more in fridge if no winner found) nl5haze from sensi seeds from a year or 2 back
im hoping to find some amazing hazes out of these and they will be spread far and wide to all haze lovers
peace
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Cinderella99
Right On, OJD...I just picked up some of your SSSDH and a Mix pack.
I picked up the Mix from you largely because I'm interested in the G13 Haze that Soma got from Neville. In your opinion, are companies like DNA and Barney's using the real deal G13 Haze male acclaimed for its prowess in combining. You've raved about the ablity of the G13 Haze male to manifest its haziness in progeny.
In your opinion, if you don't have access to Neville's/ Soma's cut, what's the best way to isolate that male G13 Haze via seed form to make sure that you'll have a great shot of finding that breeding Haze male?
Hempy, please pay attention
If you don't have a male NLHaze from Neville circa late 80's, here's a solution to make all those wonderful freebie F2s LOL
I picked up the Mix from you largely because I'm interested in the G13 Haze that Soma got from Neville. In your opinion, are companies like DNA and Barney's using the real deal G13 Haze male acclaimed for its prowess in combining. You've raved about the ablity of the G13 Haze male to manifest its haziness in progeny.
In your opinion, if you don't have access to Neville's/ Soma's cut, what's the best way to isolate that male G13 Haze via seed form to make sure that you'll have a great shot of finding that breeding Haze male?
Hempy, please pay attention
If you don't have a male NLHaze from Neville circa late 80's, here's a solution to make all those wonderful freebie F2s LOL
I just started some Tom Hill's Haze and some Sam's Original Haze, doing them 12/12 from seed in 3 litre pots of coco and just gonna feed them some 2-3-3 fish emulsion, seaweed extract, molasses and in later flower will switch from the 2-3-3 fish to plagron alga bloom which is 1.5-13-14. I'm hoping to find a promising male or two. I also have some Original Haze x Afghan seeds I made a long time ago that I might pop. I had a freebie pack of Haze, only one germed and it was a male so I dusted some pollen on an Afghan I had at the time, no selection there so no idea what those seeds will produce.
Way i see it, Neville took the best Haze male he could find (the Haze A male) and crossed it to the best female indica cuttings he had - G13, NL5, Hashplant, Skunk. From those crosses came Neville's Haze, SSH, Mango Haze, plus all the G13Haze stuff soma, dna and others did.
I think it might be rather interesting to take the best Haze male I can find (albeit with much smaller numbers for selection than Neville had) and cross them to the best female indica cuttings I can find, I mean, if it worked so well in the past, it could work again today, the key to it all is finding the right Haze male.
I think going back to the pure Haze genes is much more interesting than working with the same genes Neville selected, there is only so much mileage to be gotten out of the restricted genepool represented by the Haze, NL and Skunk genes and considering the number of lines already derived from them (SSH, NH, Mango, Jack Herer, Silver Haze, Hazeskunk, Cinderella etc etc etc) I think it's about time something new came along. The problem is, it will probably take another neville to achieve that, working with large populations somewhere. Shanti has of course, released a few new Haze hybrids recently, but they are variations on the old themes just replacing the NL component with Afghan. I'm sure they are great lines but what I really want to see if something fresh and different.
Has anyone ever selected specifically for South Indian or Mexican traits/phenos from Haze? Most of the talk is about the Thai and Colombian parts, certainly OT1 and Tom's Haze seem to contain a lot of Colombian and as discussed in this thread, Neville's two Haze males were almost certainly Thai and Colombian phenos. We know the Thai and Colombian aspects of the Haze quite well but who can say much about the Mexican and Indian aspects?
Haze Mist is Haze x South Indian, Seedsman still sell it so that one might be worth exploring, if the South Indian was the same as the one that went into Haze then it would make a sensible starting point for a project to isolate the South Indian traits. For the Mexican aspects, I have a Highland Oaxacan Gold cutting so I could cross that to a Haze male, preferably a Mexican leaning one, although the idea of a spicy, incensey Colombian dominant Haze crossed to the Oaxacan also sounds enticing.
Just throwing a few ideas out there for discussion.
Way i see it, Neville took the best Haze male he could find (the Haze A male) and crossed it to the best female indica cuttings he had - G13, NL5, Hashplant, Skunk. From those crosses came Neville's Haze, SSH, Mango Haze, plus all the G13Haze stuff soma, dna and others did.
I think it might be rather interesting to take the best Haze male I can find (albeit with much smaller numbers for selection than Neville had) and cross them to the best female indica cuttings I can find, I mean, if it worked so well in the past, it could work again today, the key to it all is finding the right Haze male.
I think going back to the pure Haze genes is much more interesting than working with the same genes Neville selected, there is only so much mileage to be gotten out of the restricted genepool represented by the Haze, NL and Skunk genes and considering the number of lines already derived from them (SSH, NH, Mango, Jack Herer, Silver Haze, Hazeskunk, Cinderella etc etc etc) I think it's about time something new came along. The problem is, it will probably take another neville to achieve that, working with large populations somewhere. Shanti has of course, released a few new Haze hybrids recently, but they are variations on the old themes just replacing the NL component with Afghan. I'm sure they are great lines but what I really want to see if something fresh and different.
Has anyone ever selected specifically for South Indian or Mexican traits/phenos from Haze? Most of the talk is about the Thai and Colombian parts, certainly OT1 and Tom's Haze seem to contain a lot of Colombian and as discussed in this thread, Neville's two Haze males were almost certainly Thai and Colombian phenos. We know the Thai and Colombian aspects of the Haze quite well but who can say much about the Mexican and Indian aspects?
Haze Mist is Haze x South Indian, Seedsman still sell it so that one might be worth exploring, if the South Indian was the same as the one that went into Haze then it would make a sensible starting point for a project to isolate the South Indian traits. For the Mexican aspects, I have a Highland Oaxacan Gold cutting so I could cross that to a Haze male, preferably a Mexican leaning one, although the idea of a spicy, incensey Colombian dominant Haze crossed to the Oaxacan also sounds enticing.
Just throwing a few ideas out there for discussion.
The G13Haze male is very widely distributed in Holland, many people have worked with it. Some of Barney's lines have the G13Haze male in them, the Dutch guy who made some of those crosses for Barneys used to post on icmag. Damprking also sell some lines with the G13Haze male, I think also the work of the same Dutch guy.
The G13 x Haze cross had the same pollen source as the NL5 x Haze cross - namely the Haze A male. The G13Haze male is a Haze dominant pheno, so when you breed with it you're using mostly Haze A genes and everyone knows the Haze A male was one of the greatest breeding plants yet discovered as proven by it's use to create Nev's Haze, SSH etc etc.
Therefore there are two routes to follow if you want to isolate the Haze A genes:
1. cross the G13Haze male to the best Haze dominant Neville's Haze female you can find then linebreed from there, possibly with a backcross to the G13Haze male along the way.
2. Grow out a lot of Neville's Haze seeds and select the males and females that most closely match the smell/taste/effect of the Haze A part of the genes.
A possible third option would be to cross the G13Haze male to the most recessive female you can find (and Rez and JJ-NYC both found Sensi's Hindu Kush to be a good recessive breeding line) then do multiple backcrosses to the G13Haze male. This is copying the 'cubing' process Bros Grim used to breed Cindy 99. What you do is select the most Haze dominant female from the initial G13Haze x HK and backcross that female to the G13Haze male to produce seeds that are 75% G13Haze. Grow out these 75% seeds, select the most Haze dominant female and again pollinate it with the G13Haze male. Keep repeating this for another 2-3 generations and if your selections were careful and you have a bit of luck on your side, you might be able to stabilise the line to be true breeding for Haze A traits. This cubing technique won't work if the G13Haze male isn't truebreeding for the traits you want to stabilise, but if it is, and it quite possibly is, then cubing would work.
Hope that helps.
PS on the subject of making Neville's Haze f2s, unless shantibaba gives the okay to do so, then it's not ethical. I don't see the distinction between original Neville f1 seeds and current Shantibaba f1 seeds, same parental plants to make them so same genes, same seeds, only difference is the aussie who did the growing, pollination and production. The reason Shantibaba has never re-released the NL5 x Haze cross is two-fold, firstly the Haze A male is lost so he can't repeat the cross (he could do NL5 x Haze C however), secondly, the female parents of Neville's Haze, SSH, Mango Haze and others all came from the NL5 x Haze cross, which is quite possibly the greatest F1 hybrid ever made, seeing as so many exceptional breeding females came from it. If shanti sold that cross, all the other seed companies could buy them and select females from that line, in effect he would be giving the thieves the key to his treasure chest! So would Shanti want people making f2s of Neville's Haze? The least anyone can do is at least ask the man first. The G13Haze male is a different kettle of fish, Neville only sold that cross for one year and never did any further breeding with it, he chose the NL x Haze and Skunk x Haze crosses instead.
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Cinderella99
Thank you for your thorough and well reasoned response, Indifferent.
Dammit this thread just ruined a good night's rest for me.
Does anyone think that amnesia haze = afghan haze
The bud structure seems to have that swollen bulbous afghan look,
just a little thought.
Some one should start compiling all the haze info that everyone has reached a general agreement over, real haze deconstructionism going on here... keep it coming.
Does anyone think that amnesia haze = afghan haze
The bud structure seems to have that swollen bulbous afghan look,
just a little thought.
Some one should start compiling all the haze info that everyone has reached a general agreement over, real haze deconstructionism going on here... keep it coming.
If you folks are interested in reading it, I'll keep on writing it. I did a lot of research into Haze over an 18 month period, so I pretty much did collate all the accepted info about Haze. It's all still in my head pretty much and I'm always happy to share knowledge if it helps others out, it's part of that collective spirit I mentioned trying to foster.
No-one but Soma knows what Amnesia Haze really is. I have two theories:
1. It's an SSH female cutting crossed to the G13Haze male
2. It's the Amnesia cutting (an indica leaning hybrid that's been around in holland since before Amnesia Haze) pollinated by the G13Haze male.
There was some discussion of Amnesia Haze and it's lineage in another thread back in November. Shantibaba has made one or two comments about Amnesia Haze being related to SSH.
Soma released the Amnesia Haze at the same time he released his other G13Haze hybrids, so I think it's pretty much certain that the male half of Amnesia is the G13Haze male, I doubt anyone other than Soma knows what the female half was.
Amnesia Haze definitely has it's similarities with SSH. SSH is NL5/HazeA x Skunk/HazeC. Maybe Soma obtained a Skunk/HazeC female cutting from somewhere and crossed it to the G13/HazeA male, that would make Amnesia and SSH very closely related, the only difference being one has 25% G13 genes and the other has 25% NL5 genes.
No-one but Soma knows what Amnesia Haze really is. I have two theories:
1. It's an SSH female cutting crossed to the G13Haze male
2. It's the Amnesia cutting (an indica leaning hybrid that's been around in holland since before Amnesia Haze) pollinated by the G13Haze male.
There was some discussion of Amnesia Haze and it's lineage in another thread back in November. Shantibaba has made one or two comments about Amnesia Haze being related to SSH.
Soma released the Amnesia Haze at the same time he released his other G13Haze hybrids, so I think it's pretty much certain that the male half of Amnesia is the G13Haze male, I doubt anyone other than Soma knows what the female half was.
Amnesia Haze definitely has it's similarities with SSH. SSH is NL5/HazeA x Skunk/HazeC. Maybe Soma obtained a Skunk/HazeC female cutting from somewhere and crossed it to the G13/HazeA male, that would make Amnesia and SSH very closely related, the only difference being one has 25% G13 genes and the other has 25% NL5 genes.
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Dalaihempy
hi c99 well the thing is f1 nevilles haze are avaluble mate threw mr nice sure they run out of stock but there avaluble the thing with f2s are one has to do the selection and then run out the f2s to see if the perent selection turned out well meaning the male and i did make out lots of f2s infact 1000s and gave them all away to for free as we do here to friends and friends of friends.
I would if they were no longer avaluble but they are and to be honest i would recomend people in running any line they would like to try from seeds avaluble from the breeeder and at lest a pack to get the true representation of that given line.
Well, Neville sold The Seedbank to Sensi in 91-92 after he was bust, that was when Sensi obtained his genes, they got the whole lot - the Cannabis Castle, the breeding rooms, the plants and the name became The Sensi Seedbank.
Neville escaped from Oz because the wife of the judge presiding on his case like to smoke weed and she persuaded her husband to let him out on bail. He skipped bail and turned up back in Holland where he was safe to live and work as he had never broken any Dutch laws and was therefore not liable to extradition to the US as he was when in Oz.
When he returned to Holland he took up an offer from Ben Dronkers to pick up where he left off and become the master breeder at Sensi, so Neville was back in the Cannabis Castle working with the same plants in the same rooms, in this period he remixed some of his Seedbank offerings to create thinks like Silver Haze and Jack Herer. One difference between The Seedbank and The Sensi Seedbank was that Sensi liked to give their strains names so they could copyright the name whereas The Seedbank just used the lineages e.g. NL5 x Haze.
Sometime in the mid 90s Neville left Sensi. He still had his business interests in the Greenhouse coffeeshops. While Neville had been working at Sensi, Shantibaba had been creating things like White Widow and White Rhino at Greenhouse. Neville began working with Shantibaba using both Neville's genetics and some of shantis. I'm not sure whether Neville was actually working full time as a breeder at greenhouse or whether he just had a business investment in the RLD shop and an informal relationship as regards breeding where shanti was the breeder and neville provided genetics and advice. It was in this period from 95 to 98 that Neville's Haze, SSh and others were created.
So that's how both Sensi and Greenhouse came to have catalogues largely based on Neville's genes. It's not clear exactly when Neville left Sensi, probably 95 or 96. Shanti started at Greenhouse in 95. Neville gave a lot of genetics to Shanti to use in Greenhouse projects. All that is fact. What we don't know exactly is what part Neville played in the greenhouse breeding, whether he and Shanti worked side-by-side or whether Shanti did the work and Neville was on hand for advice. Also, did Neville take all or only some of his live breeding plants from Sensi to Greenhouse? The only ones we know he definitely had in the Greenhouse days are the ones that have been used in hybrids made by shanti. It's very likely Neville made all his seedstock available to shanti so some of the Neville genetics shanti used were probably grown from seed while shanti was at Greenhouse rather than being cuttings from older work Neville had done.
One day Neville and Shanti might sit down and write a book about it all. Arjan will probably beat them to it, but that book will be full of pics of celebrities rather than details of breeding projects.
One of Neville's Original Haze hybrids from The Seedbank, NL5 x Haze won the Cannabis Cup in 1990:
Jack Herer is a hybrid of NL5/Haze and won the cup in 1995:
SSH is also a NL5/Haze hybrid and won the cup in 98:
Three different companies, three different strains, three cup wins, but they all originated with Neville, his NL5 cutting and his Haze A male with a pinch of skunk thrown in.
Neville escaped from Oz because the wife of the judge presiding on his case like to smoke weed and she persuaded her husband to let him out on bail. He skipped bail and turned up back in Holland where he was safe to live and work as he had never broken any Dutch laws and was therefore not liable to extradition to the US as he was when in Oz.
When he returned to Holland he took up an offer from Ben Dronkers to pick up where he left off and become the master breeder at Sensi, so Neville was back in the Cannabis Castle working with the same plants in the same rooms, in this period he remixed some of his Seedbank offerings to create thinks like Silver Haze and Jack Herer. One difference between The Seedbank and The Sensi Seedbank was that Sensi liked to give their strains names so they could copyright the name whereas The Seedbank just used the lineages e.g. NL5 x Haze.
Sometime in the mid 90s Neville left Sensi. He still had his business interests in the Greenhouse coffeeshops. While Neville had been working at Sensi, Shantibaba had been creating things like White Widow and White Rhino at Greenhouse. Neville began working with Shantibaba using both Neville's genetics and some of shantis. I'm not sure whether Neville was actually working full time as a breeder at greenhouse or whether he just had a business investment in the RLD shop and an informal relationship as regards breeding where shanti was the breeder and neville provided genetics and advice. It was in this period from 95 to 98 that Neville's Haze, SSh and others were created.
So that's how both Sensi and Greenhouse came to have catalogues largely based on Neville's genes. It's not clear exactly when Neville left Sensi, probably 95 or 96. Shanti started at Greenhouse in 95. Neville gave a lot of genetics to Shanti to use in Greenhouse projects. All that is fact. What we don't know exactly is what part Neville played in the greenhouse breeding, whether he and Shanti worked side-by-side or whether Shanti did the work and Neville was on hand for advice. Also, did Neville take all or only some of his live breeding plants from Sensi to Greenhouse? The only ones we know he definitely had in the Greenhouse days are the ones that have been used in hybrids made by shanti. It's very likely Neville made all his seedstock available to shanti so some of the Neville genetics shanti used were probably grown from seed while shanti was at Greenhouse rather than being cuttings from older work Neville had done.
One day Neville and Shanti might sit down and write a book about it all. Arjan will probably beat them to it, but that book will be full of pics of celebrities rather than details of breeding projects.
One of Neville's Original Haze hybrids from The Seedbank, NL5 x Haze won the Cannabis Cup in 1990:
Jack Herer is a hybrid of NL5/Haze and won the cup in 1995:
SSH is also a NL5/Haze hybrid and won the cup in 98:
Three different companies, three different strains, three cup wins, but they all originated with Neville, his NL5 cutting and his Haze A male with a pinch of skunk thrown in.
First thx indifferent for all the infos..great!!!
I am sure Somas Amnesia Haze is the IBO cut knowen as Amnesia or the core cut crossed to the G13Haze!! And as we know since Mopple and Mr Haze told us the Amnesia(or Amnesia HAze like the shop sold them) is a SSH pheno found from the Ibi family
1. like u said the Amnesia was there befor the Amnesia HAze from Soma was released!!!
´2. Why Soma did not released a Amsesia Haze x G13Haze cross....like he did with nearly every other strain he has to offer????
And Amnesia is his flagShip!!!
BEacuse its already contains the G13Haze!!! Thats what freaky also said(breeder from Barney and Dampkring who did a lot of work with Somas Amnesia Haze, the Amnesia and the G13HAze)
Sad is also that every shop sells the Amnesia cut(SSH IBO) as Somas Amnesia HAze but its def just the cut!!! And nearly none has smoke Somas Amnesia HAze which is way more on da Haze said(like the grow reprots here prove)!!
Great post mate, I agree with all your points.
Freaky is the guy I mentioned earlier, I forgot his name till you mentioned it. I like the look of his work, especially some of the things he did for Dampkring, I'd like to try the Mexican Haze which I wonder about the lineage of. It's probably the Mexican Haze cutting pollinated by the G13Haze male.
I don't know if I've smoked a really sativa Amnesia Haze. I think I have, although the samples of Amnesia and Mako Haze I recall from recent 420 cups were pretty like SSH from memory.
I wouldn't be surprised if Freaky did an Amnesia x G13Haze cross and it's sold by Barney's, name will be different I expect.
This is why i say something fresh and new needs to be introduced, most of today's Hazes are based on the same NL5 x Haze A or G13 x Haze A crosses and it seems SSH still dominates the scene as much as it did 10 years ago.
Whether it's Sam, Neville or Soma, seems whenever we get into the lineages of Hazes it can get controversial! lol
Freaky is the guy I mentioned earlier, I forgot his name till you mentioned it. I like the look of his work, especially some of the things he did for Dampkring, I'd like to try the Mexican Haze which I wonder about the lineage of. It's probably the Mexican Haze cutting pollinated by the G13Haze male.
I don't know if I've smoked a really sativa Amnesia Haze. I think I have, although the samples of Amnesia and Mako Haze I recall from recent 420 cups were pretty like SSH from memory.
I wouldn't be surprised if Freaky did an Amnesia x G13Haze cross and it's sold by Barney's, name will be different I expect.
This is why i say something fresh and new needs to be introduced, most of today's Hazes are based on the same NL5 x Haze A or G13 x Haze A crosses and it seems SSH still dominates the scene as much as it did 10 years ago.
Whether it's Sam, Neville or Soma, seems whenever we get into the lineages of Hazes it can get controversial! lol
here freakys post to the AH
he def. know a lot about the 2 strains.....in me eys he is one of the top bredder....a ture one how do great xx and not work for famous!!
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88024&page=6
the link and u also can see there a lot Amnesia Hazes from soma witch are super duper Hazey compare the the AH cut
high,..
here s my amnesia haze..
its the first from amnesia haze line.
it was sellected in 98 and won directly the hightimescup.
kept it 10 years and i see a lot of differenses by all the pheno s i see.
mostly g13 dom.(i bet also amnesia in it but i mean g13 structure).
i also have the g13 haze male and pollinated some of my top strains i have(mexican haze(c),jamaican(the same jamaican was used by dna),amnesia haze(c) and afghan(thisone use luc paradise seeds to cross with).
i sellected(a lot) from amnesiahaze/g13 haze(g13haze barney and g13/amnesia haze dampkring two different ones exclusive for their shops)
so i see a lot pheno s with a g13 haze bud structure
g13 haze is very dominant in every cross i made
i believe those who sell seeds of amnesia haze is the a.h. cut crossed with g13 haze and solled as amnesia haze
i dont want to start a war but i just want to share info with you as how i think it is.
greets and a great thread !!
he def. know a lot about the 2 strains.....in me eys he is one of the top bredder....a ture one how do great xx and not work for famous!!
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88024&page=6
the link and u also can see there a lot Amnesia Hazes from soma witch are super duper Hazey compare the the AH cut
