Pot for Pleasure

[Rainman]

http://cbs13.com/local/pot.for.pleasure.2.1420731.html

Lawmakers Consider Bill To Allow Pot For Pleasure

Marijuana is the topic of discussion at the State Capitol this morning as the California Assembly becomes the first state legislature in the nation to formally consider a bill legalizing pot for recreational use.

Lawmakers will vote on Assembly Bill 390 which would tax and regulate marijuana. The assembly's Public Safety Committee is expected to vote after a hearing this morning.

The bill would treat pot in much the same way alcohol is treated under the law and would allow adults over 21 to possess, smoke and grow marijuana.

The law would also call for a fee of $50 per ounce sold and would help fund drug eradication and awareness programs.

Proponents say the marijuana 'fee' could help solve California's financial crisis by raising up to $990 million from the fees.

Marijuana has been illegal in the U.S. since 1913.

 

[Totah Sam]

I wonder when we're going to hear the results of this session. ::tapping fingers::

 

[Koroz]

The Public Safety Committee voted 4-3 to approve AB 390 by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), who said the bill would provide tax revenue to the state and regulation of the drug. The new law includes a requirement that users be at least 21 years old.

The measure next goes to the Health Committee, but proponents worried it would not be acted on by that panel by Friday's deadline, which would require the proposal to be reintroduced to be heard this year by the full Assembly.

Updated @ 11am PST.

Link: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/assembly-committee-oks-bill-to-legalize-marijuana.html

full article text:

A proposal to legalize and tax marijuana in California was approved by a key committee of the Assembly this morning, over the dire warnings of police chiefs and prosecutors.

The Public Safety Committee voted 4-3 to approve AB 390 by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), who said the bill would provide tax revenue to the state and regulation of the drug. The new law includes a requirement that users be at least 21 years old.

The measure next goes to the Health Committee, but proponents worried it would not be acted on by that panel by Friday's deadline, which would require the proposal to be reintroduced to be heard this year by the full Assembly.
"The way it exists now is harming our youth,'' Ammiano said. "Drug dealers do not ask for ID. We need to regulate something that has gone chaotic, has resulted in carnage. I understand it's not everybody's cup of tea.''

Assemblyman Danny Gilmore (R-Hanford), a former CHP commander, said the $50 tax on each ounce of marijuana sold to pay for drug education and treatment is not worth the grief that will be caused by legalization.

"We're going to legalize marijuana, we're going to tax it and then we're going to educate our kids about the harm of drugs. You've got to be kidding me,'' Gilmore said. "What's next? Are we going to legalize methamphetamines, cocaine?''

The measure was opposed in testimony today by several police chiefs and law enforcement officials including Bob Cooke, former president of the California Narcotics Officers Assn., who predicted it would lead to an increase in crime. "The mere consideration of an attempt to trade human misery for tax dollars smacks of the cynical throwing away of countless human beings,'' Cooke told the committee.

It is estimated that the bill would generate $1.3 billion a year in taxes and marijuana cultivation fees.

 

[Hazelnuts]

Marijuana has been illegal in the U.S. since 1913.

Lol, what

I wonder where they got this number, the marijuana tax act was passed in 1937 and the whole reefer madness propaganda shit didn't start until the 1920s as far as I know

 

[Koroz]

Lol, what

I wonder where they got this number, the marijuana tax act was passed in 1937 and the whole reefer madness propaganda shit didn't start until the 1920s as far as I know

Probably from this e-tard (Danny Gilmore[r-hanford]) who said:

"We're going to legalize marijuana, we're going to tax it and then we're going to educate our kids about the harm of drugs. You've got to be kidding me,'' Gilmore said. "What's next? Are we going to legalize methamphetamines, cocaine?''

Yes! So instead of realizing that prohibition isn't working, we should stick our heads in the sand and act like we are winning the losable war and the drug dealers are respecting the age of the kids buying these substances! I still get amazed people try to use this argument.

 

[Hazelnuts]

Probably from this e-tard (Danny Gilmore[r-hanford]) who said:



Yes! So instead of realizing that prohibition isn't working, we should stick our heads in the sand and act like we are winning the losable war and the drug dealers are respecting the age of the kids buying these substances! I still get amazed people try to use this argument.

Well I'm not sure legalizing drugs like opioids, harder stimulants or anything among those lines would be the right move, simply because people are too stupid. I really believe that when there is potential for harm being caused by a drug, there's always gonna be dumb fucks to ruin it for all the smart responsible users. I might be wrong though

But anyway, with weed there's really no potential for serious harm, so all arguments talking about "human misery" and bullshit like that are just retarded. Also, I love how they always come up with cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin, who the fuck ever suggested making those legal? This bill is about cannabis and cannabis only, and if they're gonna throw cannabis in the same pot as meth, H and coke, they'll have to do the same with tobacco and alcohol.

 

[Hammerhead]

good video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7O4Sa8sGXk

 

[Koroz]

Well I'm not sure legalizing drugs like opioids, harder stimulants or anything among those lines would be the right move, simply because people are too stupid. I really believe that when there is potential for harm being caused by a drug, there's always gonna be dumb fucks to ruin it for all the smart responsible users. I might be wrong though

But anyway, with weed there's really no potential for serious harm, so all arguments talking about "human misery" and bullshit like that are just retarded. Also, I love how they always come up with cocaine, methamphetamine and heroin, who the fuck ever suggested making those legal? This bill is about cannabis and cannabis only, and if they're gonna throw cannabis in the same pot as meth, H and coke, they'll have to do the same with tobacco and alcohol.

I would argue those dumb fucks are already abusing the substance, and that those who would be responsible should not be put in jail because those who aren't get themselves in shitty situations.

Prohibition doesn't work on any front. We can't pick and choose liberties, its either all or nothing or else what is the point of the words "Personal Liberty". Everyday this thinking brings us closer to a Totalitarian state where we are told by our government how and where to live. Our government was never intended to protect us from ourselves, it was there to protect us and our boarders from a force which means to bring us down and to assure we weren't governed by tyrants.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America".

 

[Hazelnuts]

I would argue those dumb fucks are already abusing the substance, and that those who would be responsible should not be put in jail because those who aren't get themselves in shitty situations.

Prohibition doesn't work on any front. We can't pick and choose liberties, its either all or nothing or else what is the point of the words "Personal Liberty". Everyday this thinking brings us closer to a Totalitarian state where we are told by our government how and where to live. Our government was never intended to protect us from ourselves, it was there to protect us and our boarders from a force which means to bring us down and to assure we weren't governed by tyrants.

I agree with you, but the problem is that people have now been used to being told how to live their lives by the government for too long. They have abandoned responsibility (and with it, liberty) for the comforting knowledge that they're being led by someone and that the rest of society is doing the same as them. And that's a way of thinking that's very hard to get out of people's minds, but it needs to be eradicated if you want (complete) drug legalization to work. People don't think enough for themselves.

 

[Moldy Dreads]

I hate these laws because they lump Cannabis with alcohol and tobacco. I hate the fact they are trying to take this herb away from Doctors and patients and the people who have been growing and using and fighting for this herb to be freely available to anyone and are giving it to farmaceutical companies and anyone with a strong political lobby and cash.
Alot of people eyeing this market and they HATE the fact that in California especially, they haven't been able to cash in on our healing and sacred herb. The hate the fact that people can get medical permission for most ailments because Cannabis is a great mood and health changer that is so versatile, yet they can't control it without making it a "recreational Drug". Don't sell Cannabis short to the wolves people.....

This is not a processed drug, it's a herb. Say no to regulation, restriction, and say no to lumping it in with alcohol and tobacco. Don't let Philip Morris take over.erg...

 

[Koroz]

I agree with you, but the problem is that people have now been used to being told how to live their lives by the government for too long. They have abandoned responsibility (and with it, liberty) for the comforting knowledge that they're being led by someone and that the rest of society is doing the same as them. And that's a way of thinking that's very hard to get out of people's minds, but it needs to be eradicated if you want (complete) drug legalization to work. People don't think enough for themselves.

you can't eradicate that thinking by continuing the trends in which got them there in the first place. How do you expect people to learn to live with their own responsibility if they are never given the chance to do so?

Prohibition doesn't protect anyone from the drugs, or its users. Simple as that. Name one instance where cocaine being illegal has saved someones life (Can be hypothetical since not everyone has an experience they can go off).

 

[Rainman]

Marijuana Legalization Bill Approved By Committee

The Assembly Public Safety Committee voted 4-3 to approve AB390 which would tax and regulate marijuana!

 

[Koroz]

Marijuana Legalization Bill Approved By Committee

The Assembly Public Safety Committee voted 4-3 to approve AB390 which would tax and regulate marijuana!

It still has to pass the health committee by Friday, and by the sounds of the people out of Sac they don't plan on touching this bill by that deadline which means its dead and will have to be reintroduced later this year.

If nothing else it is a win for our side that we got 4 politicians out of the 7 man committee to actually vote yes, now we just need to get the other committee to sit down and do the same thing before Friday.

 

[Hazelnuts]

I hate these laws because they lump Cannabis with alcohol and tobacco. I hate the fact they are trying to take this herb away from Doctors and patients and the people who have been growing and using and fighting for this herb to be freely available to anyone and are giving it to farmaceutical companies and anyone with a strong political lobby and cash.
Alot of people eyeing this market and they HATE the fact that in California especially, they haven't been able to cash in on our healing and sacred herb. The hate the fact that people can get medical permission for most ailments because Cannabis is a great mood and health changer that is so versatile, yet they can't control it without making it a "recreational Drug". Don't sell Cannabis short to the wolves people.....

This is not a processed drug, it's a herb. Say no to regulation, restriction, and say no to lumping it in with alcohol and tobacco. Don't let Philip Morris take over.erg...

Well if we're ever gonna have an open market, even in complete and unregulated legalization, there's gonna be companies to take advantage of that market. And I mean, it's still better than nothing, you could legally grow your own herb at home and wouldn't be taxed (I doubt anyone would really give a fuck about the 10 plant rule)

 

[karmical]

It still has to pass the health committee by Friday, and by the sounds of the people out of Sac they don't plan on touching this bill by that deadline which means its dead and will have to be reintroduced later this year.

Tom strikes me as being a bright political player, if they don't touch it by the deadline, I can't see him allowing his hard work in generating support for this to be forced into having to be reintroduced, unless it would be a benefit.


4-3, that's not to shabby at all under the circumstances.

 

[Koroz]

Tom strikes me as being a bright political player, if they don't touch it by the deadline, I can't see him allowing his hard work in generating support for this to be forced into having to be reintroduced, unless it would be a benefit.


4-3, that's not to shabby at all under the circumstances.

I might be misunderstanding what you are saying, so if I am I apologize. With that said, Tom is a bright guy, but he could be bright as a shining star in a room full of black holes and it wouldn't change how the political process works.

If the other committee does not vote on this by Friday, it will be a dead issue until they reintroduce it later in the year to full committee.

EDIT: here is a full list of the members of the health committee and their email's, you want this issue voted on EMAIL EMAIL EMAIL EMAIL!! I did!



Dave Jones - Chair

Dem-9 (916) 319-2009 Assemblymember.jones@assembly.ca.gov

Nathan Fletcher - Vice Chair

Rep-75 (916) 319-2075 Assemblymember.Fletcher@assembly.ca.gov

Anthony Adams

Rep-59 (916) 319-2059 Assemblymember.Adams@assembly.ca.gov

Tom Ammiano

Dem-13 (916) 319-2013 Assemblymember.Ammiano@assembly.ca.gov

Marty Block

Dem-78 (916) 319-2078 Assemblymember.Block@assembly.ca.gov

Wilmer Amina Carter

Dem-62 (916) 319-2062 Assemblymember.Carter@assembly.ca.gov

Connie Conway

Rep-34 (916) 319-2034 Assemblymember.Conway@assembly.ca.gov

Hector De La Torre

Dem-50 (916) 319-2050 Assemblymember.DeLaTorre@assembly.ca.gov

Kevin de Leon

Dem-45 (916) 319-2045 Assemblymember.deLeon@assembly.ca.gov

Bill Emmerson

Rep-63 (916) 319-2063 Assemblymember.emmerson@assembly.ca.gov

Ted Gaines

Rep-4 (916) 319-2004 Assemblymember.Gaines@assembly.ca.gov

Isadore Hall III

Dem-52 (916) 319-2052 Assemblymember.Hall@assembly.ca.gov

Mary Hayashi

Dem-18 (916) 319-2018 Assemblymember.Hayashi@assembly.ca.gov

Edward P. Hernandez

Dem-57 (916) 319-2057 Assemblymember.Hernandez@assembly.ca.gov

Bonnie Lowenthal

Dem-54 (916) 319-2054 Assemblymember.Lowenthal@assembly.ca.gov

Pedro Nava

Dem-35 (916) 319-2035 Assemblymember.nava@assembly.ca.gov

V. Manuel Pérez

Dem-80 (916) 319-2080 Assemblymember.Manuel.Perez@assembly.ca.gov

Mary Salas

Dem-79 (916) 319-2079 Assemblymember.Salas@assembly.ca.gov

Audra Strickland

Rep-37 (916) 319-2037 Assemblymember.strickland@assembly.ca.gov

 

[trybud]

Rainman started this thread just to give blue dot a heart attack.....lol

 

[karmical]

I might be misunderstanding what you are saying, so if I am I apologize. With that said, Tom is a bright guy, but he could be bright as a shining star in a room full of black holes and it wouldn't change how the political process works.

maybe he already knows it will not happen friday, but can use this stepping stone better through reintroduction.

though looking at the names in that committee, i believe he could stand a very good fighting chance if the can meet by friday. what kind of shit is that anyway, 72hrs, really, what a crock if you ask me.

 

[Koroz]

maybe he already knows it will not happen friday, but can use this stepping stone better through reintroduction.

though looking at the names in that committee, i believe he could stand a very good fighting chance if the can meet by friday. what kind of shit is that anyway, 72hrs, really, what a crock if you ask me.

I don't think its the Health Committee's fault so to speak they have until Friday, I think it spent too much time in Public Safety with no vote. The session ends on Friday, and the session started a lot earlier then today.

That is my problem, Tom is a great guy for putting this bill forth and I am glad he is trying to end prohibition, but in my honest opinion it says a lot more that his committee allowed this bill to sit on the books until 2 days before session end knowing it will never get a vote in the next committee in time. Granted there is 7 people on that committee and it isn't his fault only.. but this is a pretty big piece of legislature and I would have liked to see them take it a bit more serious.

 

[Pythagllio]

Rainman started this thread just to give blue dot a heart attack.....lol

I think BD's been reassigned. He could have at least said good bye so we could throw him a going away party.