Challenging YOU To "Smoke The Vote!" In Ca!

[markscastle]

You are aware the Supreme Court of California is expected to rule soon on a case brought up by lawsuit that plant numbers and amounts of marijuana are unconsitutional? The ruling is `NOT aposed` that because amounts and plant counts were not put in place by voters that statues by the state cannot impose such limits nore can counties,cities being licenced by the state impose such limits.Medical Marijuana is allowed with a doctors recomendation to everyone 18 years old and children with parent permition.

With that knowage in mind why the hell would the people even need these new laws? Because those who own despenceries are afraid they will loose control of the obility to contuenue making large amounts of money! Who do you think is behind these new laws? Ad in the hunger of the state to raise funds in tight economic times and voters who would jump at the chance to `legalize` by any means and we have a disaster in the marijuana comunity! These laws are designed to take away the rights of the people and steal there money! The best spokesman we had,Jack Herer, was speaking out about this very thing just before his hart attack! I do beleave we have the votes to pass a reform of marijuana laws and can do a much better job than the preposed ones out there at the moment! I`m not against some taxes such as sales tax on non medical marijuana,and even some controls but these laws leave to much control and have no stopping point for further tax increases at all! They knock back the rights we already have even! We can and must do better! I say send these laws back and rewrite them and I`ll consider a compimise but as they stand no way will I support them!

 

[h&r]

Put Pythagllio down as a cannabis TRAITOR / SELLOUT

 

[h&r]

Anything backed/written by fucknut Rich Lee im firmly against

Richard Lee is ENEMY #1 to us. He is actively trying to corner the market and set up ultra low quality/high profit(for him) mcdonald style clubs all over the state.

He had the gall to fire DENNIS PERON (author of prop215) of all people from his "Damn U"

he likes the shittiest meds and PM infested, non-rooted, shit pheno, bunk ass clones.

Part of the deal with his University is you have to be a franchisee and sell his clones and meds.

 

[filo6942]

I am totally against this bill. It would again, only help the big 4 (RICHARD LEE). Vote NO on 390.

 

[Pythagllio]

It's just amazing that people think that the cannabis culture can be 'controlled'. Oh well, idiots will remain idiots. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that your marginal numbers will be irrelevant, and that we can see some progress toward our goal.

The sellout/traitors are those who support maintaining the status quo, with whatever 'reasoning' they use to come to their absurd conclusion that less freedom is desirable than more freedom, or that they have the numbers to push through their extremist agenda.

markscastle, you will always have the option of keeping your medical status. Neither AB390 nor TC2010 overturns P215. Yours and your sock puppets arguments are absurd.

 

[h&r]

the status quo is going to get blown out soon no matter what, its coming to a critical mass,

and Im not gonna support a 50 dollar tax to the gov on every ounce! THATS $800 per LB.

are you out of your mind?

Why do you think America exists in the first place?

America was founded by TAX REBELS, and their rebellion eventually gave one hell of a bloody birth to the United States of America.

Look at the taxes they already get and what have they done good with them?

NOTHING!

We are in Debt to the billions on the state level and trillions on the federal level.

We have pot-holes in the roads, bridges falling down, no mag-levs like a small place like Japan, Korea has nearly 1Gb broadband speeds while we still have copper in Silicon Valley of all places. Our tax collectors are financing wars in other countries for what? what does it benefit US the Tax Payers? How do we benefit by a war going no where in Afghanistan and Iraq? You want to finance dropping DU munitions on the very cannabis genetics we all love? This new pot tax may not be used for that exactly but you get the picture.

 

[markscastle]

Here are some proposed changes I would agree on! Age limit 18 years old for recreational use. Personal grow space(non medical) indoor 100 sq.ft., out door no more than 50 plants without a comercial grower`s licence. Comercial licence fee of no more than$ 500.00. Sales taxes on non medical sales.No transportation of more than 1 lbs finnished product without a comercial growers licence or sellers permit.Right to grow on privet property both indoor and out door without impedience of local restrictions for personal use and on farming zoned land for commercial growing.The right of despenceries to obtain permits for sales shall not be so limited by city or county statues as to not allow operations.All violations of marijuana laws would be limited to infractions under the statues of the state consitution retroactive to state hood and all records amended as such.

 

[krunchbubble]

markcastle, I disagree. By supporting the extremist position you espouse you are effectively supporting the continued prohibition of cannabis. In the real world of US politics your agenda doesn't have the proverbial snowball's chance in hell of happening. I'd love it if life were all puppies and sunshine but there is a substantial percentage of the people that are firmly against us and that will use any means necessary to impede our progress. Our numbers do not allow us the luxury of demanding unfettered legalization, and there's no motivation for support from the people with substantial resources if they're cut out of the deal. In order to get our foot in the door we're going to have to offer compromises with the people who don't have much of a stake, but nevertheless have substantial fear that has been propagated by over 70 years of relentless propaganda.

IMO it is sheer idiocy to oppose either AB390 or TC2010. It's bad for California, and it's bad for all cannabis users in the US.

lmfao, sucker born every minute......

 

[kinesis]

if its too expensive with the 50 / oz tax.. NOBODY WILL BUY IT, everything will still go black market. I imagine the price will drop substantially. I'm all for regulation. I want to start my own pot business or cafe some day. If a regulatory model that creates that vision for all Americans with investment capital comes with AB390 or TAXCANNABIS, I'm voting for it

I'm actually voting for it anyways.. I think it will be good for CA.. being broke as it is right now.

They also had to model this to get the votes.. They wanted to create a "responsible" sounding regulatory model that gives money to the state so that it would appeal to the assembly members and voters.

 

[Pythagllio]

So you think that the opposition won't quickly point out that one can harvest over 100 lbs from 50 outdoor plants?

100 sq feet is reasonable, but 64 sq feet is more doable. But really, AB390s 10 plant limit is much better than limited canopy IMO.

Transporting a lb for personal use? Do you really think that's not going to be attacked viciously?

$500 for a commercial producers fee, how did you arrive at that number? Is it comparable to other fees imposed on producers of commercial products?

Dispensaries need to be implemented through a ballot initiative. P215 can't be amended any other way. Medical needs to be kept separate from recreational.

All violations of marijuana laws will be infractions? That would include transporting 50 lbs without a commercial producer's license?

There's no way in hell you're going to get amnesty through. That's DOA and will kill any proposed bill.

OK, you're not an extremist, I take that back. But I still object to the characterization that progress is 'moving backward'. I'm certainly not going to worry about Richard Lee's pocket book. Somebody is going to make the dough. Win or lose, he'll still wake up the morning after Election day a multimillionaire.

 

[markscastle]

I`ve grown outdoor plants that had a dry weigh harvast of 12 lbs each myself,so what?

The CHP has had to give back 1 lbs of pot they took from a medical card holder by court order already. Idea was to keep Mexican Mafia members who grow in our forests under control better.Over a pound with out the paper work and you lose your pot and get at least a $500 fine!

Infractions? Yes that would include not having a growers licence but then you also have tax laws to consider don`t you?

$500 is a more fair price for a growers licence.They will already get sales taxes and save millions in court ,jail,and corrections costs as it is! The idea is to increase jobs and income.The state will get sales taxes,and income taxes,thats enough on top of all the savings don`t you think? After all The state is here to serice us not the other way around!

DOA? I think the people of the Great State of California have the ability and will to do the right thing.I have faith that they can think for themselfs and don`t need more restrictive laws to control them.I am sure they are just about sick of taxes and more restrictions than there mother could devise! I think what we need more than lawmakers in our goverment today are `law brakers`,thoughs who would lesson restrictions by statues and allow more personal freedoms for the people! When given the chance most people are good more often than not, but when refrained we rebel and cause more harm.Thus more laws often premote more crime!

 

[justalilrowdy]

If you are for legalization or against it is your choice but make your voice heard by registering to vote! Its YOUR voice!
Get Up Stand Up!

 

[markscastle]

I agree everyone should register to vote. You also need to research what you are voting about(or who) and do some thinking! This issue is just a little more complicated than are you for or against legalization. The question is Do you think/ want legalization to be undertermanablely controlled,taxed,and with yet to be worked out restrictions? Do you really think it`s the only option, that a restructured bill or praposal with much better wording would not be brought up to vote on? We just don`t need to vote this into law,it`s not a do or die issue by any means people! We could get stuck with something we can`t live with because we don`t use our heads and think a little.

 

[justalilrowdy]

Yes know what you are voting for.. Its your voice so speak up and make yourself be heard by registering and voting no matter what you believe.
Get up Stand up!
I'm for legalization without regulation! Lets get that on the ballot!
No little dreams here.. I dream big! lol

 

[markscastle]

Now I can stand behind legalization without regulation!

 

[theJointedOne]

nice thread rowdy. So lets say the 2010 bill passes, will that take 215 off the books? B/c if not you could follow 215 if you are medical and grow as much as you yourself deem necessary

 

[markscastle]

No it would not take 215 off the books,but it would give local Goverment the powers to nearly stop all MJ growing.The idea behind this bill is to force ALL growers to stop growing and buy at the clubs allowing only comercial growers who have large bank accounts to supply the demand.It also puts an $800 per lbs state tax on all marijuana sold!

 

[justalilrowdy]

There are other initiatives out there..As Jack Herer says educate yourself!
check it out at canorml.org/news/initiatives.html


#1 The Legalize, Regulate and Tax Marijuana Initiative
The Attorney General of California has prepared the following title and summary of the chief purpose and points of the proposed measure:

CHANGES CALIFORNIA LAW TO LEGALIZE, REGULATE, AND TAX MARIJUANA. INITIATIVE STATUTE. Repeals state laws that make it a crime for people 21 years old or older to use, possess, sell, cultivate, or transport marijuana or industrial hemp, except laws that make it a crime to drive while impaired or to contribute to the delinquency of a minor. Expunges state convictions based on the repealed marijuana-related laws. Requires state and local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana.
Requires taxes to be spent on education, healthcare, environmental programs, public works, and state parks. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local governments: Savings in the several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Unknown but potentially major new excise, income, and sales tax revenues related to the production and sale of marijuana products. (09-0022.)

The Tax, Regulate, and Control Cannabis Act of 2010



Section 1: Name

This Act shall be known as the “The Tax, Regulate, and Control Cannabis Act of 2010.”

Section 2: Findings

This Act, adopted by the People of the State of California, is intended to:

1. Prohibit furnishing cannabis to minors below the age of 21, unless for medical use.
2. Repeal all existing state and local laws that criminally prohibit or punish cannabis and associated cannabis related activities.
3. Permit the possession, use, sharing, cultivation, transportation, and other activities related to cannabis by persons over the age of 21.
4. Mandate the State government to adopt reasonable laws to permit, license, control and issue taxes for the commercial cultivation and sales of cannabis.
5. Permit the cultivation, processing, sales, transportation and distribution of industrial hemp.
6. Authorize local governments to adopt ordinances, rules and regulations regarding such licensed businesses, including appropriate zoning, permits, licenses, safety, and environmental laws to protect the general health and welfare of the public.
7. Punish those who violate this Act and prevent any state or local agency from prohibiting or obstructing the terms or spirit of this Act
8. Make cannabis available for scientific, medical, industrial and research purposes.
9. Permit the State of California to fulfill obligations under the United States Constitution to enact laws concerning health, morals, public welfare and safety.
10. Continue to enforce all laws relating to driving and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

Section 3: Definitions

For purposes of this Act:

a. “Cannabis” means all parts from plants of the Genus Cannabis, whether growing or not; seeds thereof; resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated cannabis; edible products containing cannabis; and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the plant, its seeds, or resin. The terms “Marijuana” and “Cannabis” are interchangeable for the purposes of this Act.

b. “Industrial hemp” means an agricultural field crop that is limited to non-psychoactive varieties of the Cannabis plant having no more than three-tenths of one percent tetrahydrocannabinol contained in the dried flowering tops, that is cultivated and processed exclusively for the purpose of producing the mature stalks of the plant, fiber produced from the stalks, oil or cake made from the seeds of the plant, or any other compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the mature stalks (except the resin or flowering tops extracted therefrom), fiber, oil, or cake, or the sterilized seed of the plant which is incapable of germination.

Section 4: Cannabis Control, Decriminalization, Regulation, and Taxation

Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read:

Section 11300: Laws Permitting Cannabis Activities by Adults Aged 21 and Over

(a) It is lawful, and not a crime or public offense under California law for persons aged 21 and older to engage in the following acts or activities related to the plant genus cannabis: possession, transportation, use, furnishing, sales, cultivation, or processing.

(1) Persons aged 21 and over may cultivate reasonable amounts of cannabis for their personal use. Amounts cultivated beyond personal use needs are subject to commercial restrictions, taxes and fees imposed pursuant to this Act.

(2) All persons aged 21 and over may possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and material associated with activities permitted under this Act. This includes scales or other weighing devices.

(b) This Act hereby repeals all state laws that prohibit cannabis possession, sales, transportation, production, processing, and cultivation, and removes cannabis from any other statutes pertaining to the regulation of controlled substances, whether now existing or enacted in the future, including but not limited to the following:

(1) Health and Safety Code Sections 11014.5 and 11364 [relating to drug

paraphernalia]; 11054 [relating to cannabis or tetrahydrocannabinols]; 11357 [relating to possession]; 11358 [relating to cultivation]; 11359 [relating to possession for sale]; 11360 [relating to transportation and sales]; 11361 [related to minors]; 11366 and 11366.5 [related to maintaining a place for cultivation, sales]; 11370 [relating to punishment]; 11379.6 [relating to processing]; 11470 [relating to forfeiture]; 11479 [relating to seizure and destruction]; 11703 [relating to definitions regarding illegal substances]; 11705 [actions for use of illegal controlled substance]; Vehicle Code sections 23222 and 40000.15 [relating to possession].

(c) This act is not intended to affect the application California Vehicle Code §23152

[relating to driving while impaired] and Penal Code §272 [relating to

contributing to the delinquency of a minor].

(d) This Act strictly prohibits all sales of cannabis outside the State of California unless such sales are not inconsistent with federal or international law.

(e) This Act shall be retroactive, and by operation of law expunges the conviction of anyone previously convicted of a cannabis offense.

(f) The Act prohibits any person from being denied any right or privilege for conduct in accordance with this article. No person shall be discriminated against regarding, but not limited to, healthcare, education, employment, retirement, and insurance, for conduct permitted by this Act.

Section 11301: State and Local laws to Control and Regulate Commercial Cannabis

California state and local governments shall adopt reasonable ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize the following:

(a) Commercial cultivation, production, processing, distribution, and sales of cannabis for commercial and personal uses, including:

(1) Establishments, open to the public, that sell and/or allow on-premises smoking and other use of cannabis, and;

(2) Locations engaged in the commercial propagation, cultivation, processing and/or distribution of cannabis, and;

(3) Any other entity or location needed to further activities permitted and/or mandated by this Act.

(b) Local governments may create regulations of any such establishment in accordance with this article including but not limited to environmental, accessibility, and zoning ordinances.

(c) Local governments are prohibited from banning establishments, businesses, and other entities engaged in any conduct allowed by this Act.

(d) The State shall create appropriate regulations to ensure uniform and orderly implementation of this Act including regulations, laws, and other acts having the force of law, requiring that any such permitted or licensed business, facility or premises:

(1) prevent any harm to the environment,

(2) have appropriate controls to ensure protection of minors,

(3) permit or license the commercial cultivation and sale of Cannabis,

(4) create and levy appropriate taxes or fees pursuant to section 11302,

(5) enact laws or create agencies consistent with the purposes of this Act.

(e) The State shall enact labeling requirements in order to inform the public for all cannabis sold or offered for sale to the public that includes:

(1) City, county, or other appellation, and;

(2) Species, strain(s) and/or variety(ies) of packaged cannabis, and;

(3) General THC content, and;

(4) Organic certification, or, if not certified as organically grown, a listing of pesticides, herbicides, and/or additives used;

(5) Certification that the Cannabis is not genetically modified.

Section 11302: Imposition and Collection of Taxes and Fees

(a) The Legislature shall create a system for the fair and orderly taxation of commercial production, sales and other cannabis business related activities within one year of the passage of this Act. The rate of taxation shall be initially set at no less than Fifty United States Dollars per ounce of Cannabis.

(b) State and local governments shall create a system for the fair and orderly issuance of licenses or permits, and the collection of licensing or permitting fees.

(c) In order to foster environmentally responsible practices for cannabis production, cultivation, processing, and other related activities, the Legislature shall enact preferential regulatory and tax treatment for entities engaged in organic and/or sustainable practices.

(d) Taxes imposed pursuant to this Act must be spent on public education, healthcare, environmental programs, public works, and state parks.

(e) Only Cannabis that is commercially cultivated, distributed, and/or sold shall be taxed.

Section 11303: Industrial Hemp

(a) This Act hereby provides for the decriminalization of industrial hemp. The state and local governments shall enact laws and regulations promoting the cultivation, production, processing, sales, distribution, regulation, and taxation of industrial hemp and all derivatives thereof.

Section 11304: Penalties for Violation of this Act

(a) Penalties for the furnishing of cannabis to a minor shall be consistent with

penalties for similar alcohol related offenses in a manner to be determined by the

Legislature.

(b) Penalties to the minor for cannabis related offenses shall be non-custodial as

determined by the Legislature.

(c) Nothing in the Act shall permit the smoking of Cannabis:

(1) In or within 500 feet of the grounds of a school (other than university or college), or youth center, unless the personal use occurs within a residence.

(2) On a school bus.

(3) By the operator of a motorized vehicle, vessel, or aircraft during operation.

(d) The unauthorized sale of cannabis shall be subject to civil and regulatory penalties to be determined by the Legislature.

(e) Establishments, facilities, individuals and other entities that

maliciously and repeatedly violate this Act are subject to civil,

regulatory, and licensing penalties to be determined by the Legislature.

(f) All civil penalties for violations of these new cannabis regulations shall be spent on public education, healthcare, environmental programs, public works, and state parks.

Section 11305: Severability

If any section, subdivision, sentence, clause, phrase, or portion of this Article is for any reason held invalid or unconstitutional by any court of competent jurisdiction, that portion shall be deemed a separate, distinct, and independent provision, and that holding shall not affect the validity of the remaining portion thereof.

 

[justalilrowdy]

# 2 Common Sense Act of 2010
Section 1: Title

This measure shall be known as the “Common Sense Act of 2010”



Section 2: Findings and Declarations

The People of the State of California hereby make the following findings, and declare that the intent of this measure is to bolster California’s economy by recognizing that:

(A) Marijuana is a valuable agricultural crop.

(B) Prohibition is costly, unpopular and ineffective.

(C) The expense of enforcement, prosecution, and imprisonment of violators of the prohibition of marijuana has drained federal, state and local resources and tax revenue.

(D) Otherwise law-abiding citizens have been prosecuted and incarcerated for their part in contributing to this substantial segment of California’s economy.

(E) It is desirable to ease the overwhelming cost of prison overcrowding by reducing the number of people incarcerated for victimless acts.

(F) Federal classification of marijuana as a Schedule One substance is scientifically incorrect, falsely stating that it has “no currently accepted medical use.”

(G) Tax revenue from the legal trade in cannabis and hemp products will help to mitigate state budget problems.



Section 3: Legalization and Taxation of Marijuana

(A) The People of the State of California hereby repeal the prohibition on marijuana use, cultivation, possession, transportation and sale.

(B) The People of the State of California authorize federal, state, county and municipal authorities to tax the manufacture, sale and use of marijuana.

(C) All government entities within California shall immediately cease spending any public or private funds for the purpose of enforcing or prosecuting any law prohibiting the use, cultivation, possession, transportation or sale of marijuana.



Section 4: Instructions to California State Legislators

The People of the State of California hereby instruct our State Legislators to formulate new laws to regulate and tax the cultivation, production, transport, sale and/or use of marijuana and cannabis products. Legislators should take into account current laws regulating and taxing alcohol and tobacco, as well as pertinent laws of countries in which cannabis products are legal. We recommend California’s regulation and taxation of the wine industry as a model.



Section 5: Instructions to Members of the Congress of the United States of America

The People of the State of California hereby instruct every Member of the United States Congress from California to actively work for the removal of marijuana from the federal Schedule of Controlled Substances, and to vote against any funding for the purpose of enforcing or prosecuting any law prohibiting the use, cultivation, possession, transportation or sale of marijuana, cannabis or hemp products.



Section 6: Operative Dates

(A) This measure shall become effective immediately upon certification of passage by the California Secretary of State.

(B) The California State Legislature and Governor shall have one year from the date of certification to codify appropriate regulations and tax provisions into state law.



Section 7: Severability

If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the measure that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of the measure are severable.

 

[theJointedOne]

Its seems though that the TRCCA 2010 has quite a bit more money and pull behind it. The sources of which I wish we knew more about. I really dont want to be limited to 5 x 5 (im under assumption that woiuld be the limit if TRCCA passes) unless I can do multiple people crops in one grow. 5 x 5 is one good outside plant! Plus if you live somewhere like a large urban area, growing your own is not always viable or safe. And if you smoke a lot, like lets say an ounce or two a day, any sort of limit on weight possession hinders your ability to buy large quantities to save money. I remember Rowdy saying Legalize it, Don't Regulate it. I guess thats how I feel.