Rough guidlines for pulling 8-16 oz per plant OD?

[BotanicalBill]

Hey there, looks like I may have a shot at doing my first outdoor grow ever this coming year.. So I've been trying to decide my plan of action and I had just a couple questions maybe someone could give me some rough guidelines for..


The goal is to pull 8-16 oz per plant.

Environment:
38" lat
Summers hit 85F-95F regularly, humidity probably runs 30-40% in the summer..
Fair amount of rainfall although access to water won't be an issue at all.

The season should run into mid-october if needed, barring some freak cold snap or unusual amounts of rain.

The plots will be dug with prepared soil put into each spot.

The strain will be topped clones of Sweettooth(SWT) #3, or another similarly yielding/time frame finishing strain(LUI is the other possibility).

I have access to a known good yielding SWT #3 mom so let's just assume that's going to be the case.

Clones will be taken and grown out before they ever get to the plots so I can potentially take them to say 12-16" topped, healthy and bushy no problem before I ever have to take them out.

I'm simply wondering this:

If I put them out to their plots at 12", topped, healthy, and bushy, when would be the best part of the season to throw them out to let them finish up to achieve 8-16 oz per?

I was thinking sometime in early June.. That would give them 2-3 months to veg more before flowering. I've seen these SWT clones flowered indoor at 16" and pull 2-2.5 oz no problem, ending maybe 30" in height.

That being said, I'm thinking that 2 full months extra added to their initial 12" may be too much time and I may end up with more than I can handle? Where my experience lacks is I don't know how fast plants grow outdoors under promising conditions.

Does this seem reasonable or am I going to end up with giants instead? Or vice versa? Putting them out in July wouldn't be a problem if that's more reasonable, nor is putting them out in May if needed..

Thanks for your time

BB

 

[FreezerBoy]

Depending on where along the 38th you are, early-mid May sounds about right. Find an Atlas and look up your actual area.

 

[BotanicalBill]

38.20 to be exact, in the midwest, FreezerBoy, Thanks for your response.

BB

 

[Che]

Temperature will play the biggest role, I've heard of June clones matching the yield of those placed out earlier, but it was the cold spring that stunted the early ones. Cold frames and other such tricks might be used to your benefit. Also, staking them down instead of topping them might be a good alternative, at least in my opinion, as you're not removing the strongest growth tips.

 

[Moneygrowonweed]

Confused you want several plants to give 1/2 to a full lb each but don't want to go over ok in your area if all goes right you should be able to do that easy if you start in late May early June but if you go over just a bit is it that big of a deal?

 

[BotanicalBill]

Thanks for the responses, folks.
Money, going a bit over wouldn't be the end of the world. What I don't want are 12 foot trees sticking up all over the place sticking out like a sore thumb, if possible. If things go too out of hand I'd just start lopping branches off, tying everything down that I could find, etc.. But I have a general idea of what an 8-16 oz plant of SWT would look like and would like to just hit that mark give or take, if possible without having to put myself through a ton of extra work.

Che, temps in May or June wouldn't be a problem.. I've lived in the area for 20-odd years and by late May it would take something pretty bizarre to do any serious harm.. Especially since they'll already be very well established by the time they go into the ground..
Also, I considered the staking vs. topping and the only reason I thought of topping was just recently I've seen 4 of these clones flowered out, 2 topped, 2 un-topped. the 2 un-topped colas both had mold in them because they were so thick and the were in a very well ventilated, extremely low humidity environment(a pretty common problem with SWT #3 unfortunately).. The topped ones looked absolutely stunning, yielded more, and were mold free, everything else being equal..
I'm not adverse to tying down either, in fact my normal routine indoors involves massive amounts of tying down.. I just happened to see this particular mother in action and have a decent amount of confidence of what a topped one can produce..

Thanks again everyone, I appreciate it

BB

 

[FreezerBoy]

D'oh! ALMANAC! Not atlas. Almanac.

P.S. Paranoiaman asks, a little TMI in that last post? It adds up before you know it.

 

[CaliRaised]

If your in cali u should be pulling 1lbs per plant easy if you set it up from the beginning correct.

 

[StreamMagic]

One big hole, One plant and alot of water.

 

[CaliRaised]

^^^^Exactly^^^^

 

[shroomyshroom]

One big hole, One plant and alot of water.

The man knows his shit....

Keep it simple... no need to make it complicated


soil and/or coco, nutes that you can get at any local store... and constant water supply with some nice sun exposure and you will grow monster

 

[BotanicalBill]

Heh, I think this got a bit off track.. My concern isn't growing monsters, it's making sure I don't grow a monster. Preparing the soil, the growing process, etc isn't an issue. I've done ,small few-plant grows outdoors for friends in their backyards, late in the season, and have done soil in general for going on 20 years whether it be indoor or out. .I was just trying to figure out when to start them 'in the wild' as a ballpark fig ure to make sure I don't end up with giants.. I think I'll go for the mid-may/early june timeframe with 12" established girls and see what happens.. I'm sure this thread will die rather quickly but hopefully I'll remember in the fall to come back and report the answers to my questions..


Thanks again, everyone

BB

 

[pinkskunk]

firstly dont top your plants outdoors,tie em down when they start heading up this will ensure you dont have your plants flattened out from a bit of heavey rain,and also saves having to stake em, big holes 1mtr square or more bout two foot deep.
why are you topping outdoors?

 

[Moneygrowonweed]

Ok BB now i see what you are saying i had some friends this last year do just that you are going to wan to do the end of June or middle of July no sooner or later for what you want that will still give them a short vegg and a good flower my friends that did this at the begging of july and they grow to about 4' for some and others hit 5' not to tall at all but all harvested 1/2 LB to just over a LB good luck with your grow.

 

[StreamMagic]

Well you were asking for 8-16 ounce. Usually my indicas produce 8 ounce when it a 5 foot bush, A 7x7 bush gets me about 14 ounce. it all depends. Id say put your 12 inch clones outside mid june at the latest. Its pretty easy to tie down the mains during veg but not so much in flower.

 

[nomaad]

I was just trying to figure out when to start them 'in the wild' as a ballpark fig ure to make sure I don't end up with giants.. I think I'll go for the mid-may/early june timeframe with 12" established girls and see what happens.. I'm sure this thread will die rather quickly but hopefully I'll remember in the fall to come back and report the answers to my questions..

its all about pot size. 40-60 gallon pots (with the schedule you are talking about) should give you the yield you are looking for. can't speak to how big the plants will get... that will be strain dependent to a large degree.

you could also force flower as soon as the plants are almost the size you want them. be done by the end of july. i yielded a bit more than a half pound per plant in my black box. the pots were 65's but the plants were not vegged to anywhere approaching the capacity of the planters.

good luck.

 

[BotanicalBill]

Thanks for the responses once again.

pinkskunk, the strain I'm using is prone to mold if not topped because the buds are so dense (SWT #3) untopped, indoors at least, there were no issues and a bigger yield given the same amount of veg/flower time. Of those two, however, mold prevention is really the only reason I was going to top them.

Money and stream, what you described is what I pretty much was imagining in my head as to final size for that kind of yield and what ideally I think I'm going to shoot for. The timing was the big question.. so now I've had answers from may until July.. I think I'll be aiming for mid June now. I had read other threads for a few hours last night and in the process ran across comments of people talking about similar scenarios and it seems that mid-late May would definately give me more veg time than I needed..

nomaad, I'll be going straight into prepared holes that will have very fertile soil once the roots grow out of the prepared soil into the natural soil..

Thanks again, I think I'm pretty sure on my plan now.

One last question that dawned on me last night. I know deer like plants, but does anyone know if cows do as well? part of this area is inhabited by about 60 head of cattle. I never see anyone mention cows eating them.

Peace

BB

 

[hamstring]

Botanical Bill

60 head of cattle equals death to MJ depending acreage. I am from the Midwest farming country. Its not that cattle will eat MJ (they will) it's that they trample anything and every thing. When farmers want a tree to survive in a pasture they have to put a 5 ft fence all around it or the cattle will trample it down. They are curious of anything in their environment.
If your plot is anywhere near shade forget about it it’s as good as dead. Not trying to scare you but 60 head is pretty large heard depending on acreage. I have successfully grown with cattle but it was a few heifers with calves no more than 10 or so. The acreage was pretty large I would say 20-30 acres of combined marsh, forest, pasture land. The very next year the farmer brought the whole heard and my plot was trampled.

Good luck and keep your eyes open on this plot of land farmers tend to rotate the heard into different areas every few years to let vegetation come back.

 

[BotanicalBill]

hamstring, thanks for the input. I was curious about the eating part of it because I was wondering if they're actually attracted to it and will purse it if they smell it. There are about 40 heifers and 20 calves last I heard, on 140 acres. The thing is they are kept in a fenced area that moves around the property depending on what my friend wants grazed I guess. A lot of that acreage is never even used and keeping them away from any plots wouldn't be a problem. There's also another 600 acres that no cattle are on at all adjacent to this property that will be used. No hunters are allowed on either property as well and it's all fenced in. My concern was if they would try and bust through the fences to get to the plants but it sounds like that won't be an issue. They are fed well to begin with.

Thanks very much

BB

 

[Toomp]

That being said, I'm thinking that 2 full months extra added to their initial 12" may be too much time and I may end up with more than I can handle? Where my experience lacks is I don't know how fast plants grow outdoors under promising conditions.


BB

no such thing my friend. No such thing