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Which elite clone will be more popular 10 years?

Which elite clone will be more popular 10 years?


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bageled j

Member
BH-you think what you want.i dont care if you dont believe.i have experiences with both strain while you do not.i tend to listen to people who can comment with fact.unlike yourself.so i will continue to grow and smoke probably the most special cut ive ever come across.you have fun diddling yourself and wishing you had it
 

TickleMyBalls

just don't molest my colas..
Veteran
I voted GDP, because most popular doesn't mean best. and you know that purple weed will always be what custies want, so it's what the growers will grow... I run multiple 10-20+ year old strains, and they are all still fire and would be a prize in anyone's garden. most people can't get as many "elites" as I've grown over the last few years. But as of now I have MTF (20+ yrs) UK exodus cheese (20+ yrs), Strawberry Cough (KKSC 13+ yrs), local Blueberry Clone (10+ yrs), Indiana Bubblegum (20+ yrs). I'm sure all in 10 years will still be awesome. Except maybe the cough, she seems to be getting a bit of the genetic drift..
 

bigherb

Well-known member
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im am the truth if i said it i meant it n it happen

i dont tlk unless i kno wat im tlkin bout


if you havnt noticed
nyc hazes / piff r very lackin detailed reports

i like extensive details

my point is many people put out half truths n then others will believe it n speard misinformation

most youngins tend to think piff is one strain NOOO such thing as piff

its a lame term pitched for sales

ive been smokin frank way b4 piff was coined

so i will continue to grow and smoke probably the most special cut ive ever come across.

thats all it about


soo if your one of the lucky ones

r you preserving n spreading

did you give a grow/smoke report on ur cut

can you tell the history of your strain

1luvbigherb
 

bageled j

Member
1.not a young'n sorry
2.cant pass as it came to me with restrictions-i value my word and respect peoples wishs
3.no shit piff is a marketing term.first time i tried the nyc haze it was calld uptown haze,second time it was frakies.from then on we just called it the special hizzle.my cousin lives in Manhatten and allways has the fire.she goes out with a guy who gets it up around the high 100's and lex.
4.smell and taste are like a funky,industrial cleaner,glue,zest,spice,lemon,frankensence.mur,ect,prob the most complex smell and taste ive come across
the high is strait stratosphere(feels like your above your body) and gives you the VISION as me and my friends call it(im not the best with descriptions but i know you know what im talking about)
5.the history of this cut is it was sourced from the dominican crew that has been running it and bringing it up to nyc from miami/dade since the early 90's.it is THE CUT

if ya dont want to believe i dont care.i know and thats good enough for me
 

bigherb

Well-known member
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no need to be offended or on the offensive


the report is appreciated n the info is intriguing i agree wit 4 da most part


you havnt stated this info b4 which is important n relevant

your best smoke/grow eva that youve neva spoke of till now


not i dont believe but i call it how i see it now i see you hav som idea bout uptowns
 

cocktail frank

Ubiquitous
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ICMag Donor
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my :2cents:
the black isnt the same shit i grew up smoking on 173rd.

i know you got the mango haze cut bageled.
thats the closest i have ever come to the true uptown.
not quite there, but a close second.
:respect: and hope u had a merry xmas
 
C

cork144

id say the cheese is going to still be going strong in 20 years i imagine
 
R

Red Swan

The premise is silly. The proper question will be, which clone will be hyped to the point that people will want it without thinking too deeply of what they are doing.

I've got a couple of "elite " clones. My favorite has been passed around since the mid 90's and was grown from seed. I was told it was 200 plants grown and the best female was chosen. It's not on any lists because no pollen chuckers have cashed in it yet, like Sour Diesel, Chemdog or the White.

If you want to put in the work, buy a few packs, do an open pollination, make a thousand seeds. Grow them out in bunches. You will find a girl that is an "elite", that one in a hundred plant or one in a thousand.

I've grown OG Kush and Bubba and beside the pathetic yields it's much ado about nothing.

Yes, they have some nice tastes, but so does super silver haze and it will give you a lot more weed.

So maybe the question is:

If someone hypes it enough, will there still be enough people who are never satisfied with what they have, to beg borrow and steal to run after a name?
 

stasis

Registered Non-Conformist
Veteran
If the 20+ year old Chemdog cut, or the O(riginal) G(angsta') Kush stays around... So far, most people seem to agree that is the one they want. Or miss.

Cannot go wrong with a good cut or offshoot of DJ;s BB, though - yummy....!! Been through 2 packs with the genetic, but nothing I kept forever, for one reason or another - Close though. Might have blown it with the pack of True Blue.

People will always love Trainwreck. A rarity - in that both Growers and smokers love it.. Kind of a grungy buzz, IMHO, compared to Chemdog;s Soaring Narcotic trip.

I'd for sure include the Cheese, it is amazing. Especially under the sun... Except it STINKS so much to grow.. Like dangerously so..!! It is always all I smell..!~/
 

lost in a sea

Lifer
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i hope some of the more landrace genetics get bred into the gene pool, they have unique highs and effects we could be utilising a lot, lot more .....

who knows what the future has in store...

but till something new pops up, people will want a variety of the same stuff we already have, for example ----Cheese, blueberry, chemdog, kush's, ssh (+ more haze dom strains), white widow, a good bubble (BOG's), ---- they all aint going no where

its all down to our collective palate as a community, we all wanna have access to something new! so the biggest "strain" will always change. i think some of the african lines that cause that breathless catatonic effect could make a resurgence, many people have not felt the power of a proper durban!

but most likely top seller off that list in 10 years, and most popular by then, overall .... imo, will be chem d
 

bageled j

Member
CF-ya i did have the mango but i ditched it in favor of this,karma's amnesia haze cut and a hill pure haze.i didnt think the mango was like what i used to get,hence i only got it 10+ times(from around the same place you got yours from but never earlier than 98) so who knows.imo the mango didnt have that wierd industrial cleaner/funky thing going on over the pure haze bit while the mango was more of just the haze.im not the best for descriptions but i can say that my sources source(the Dominican crew thats been running her in Miami/Dade since the early 90's)says there is no question that the black haze is the nyc/uptown haze.no question.i was able to pick there brains pretty hard when they came out here for a convention.you know i wouldnt post my opinion if i didnt have hard evidence to back it up.also the fact that i sent my cousin that lives in Manhattan and grew up in Bergen Co,a samp of the black and she took it to her bf(who is 39 and has allways sourced the kill and my source for the uptown when im out there.they both think its the same too.so who knows.check your pm and get back to me if thats sounds good.i really want your opinion

yes i did have a happy xmas.hope u and fam did the same.have a great one bud
 

RUDEBOI

Member
NYC Haze AKA "Piff" WAS the Shit in like '92!LOL I've got family uptown till this very day, and Piff is NOT the Hottest Shit on the block!LOL My Cuz said the price is down to 3-350$ a zip for the hizaze 4-450 for purp, diesel 450-500. Not he say she say prices, but words from peeps pitchin' on the blocks/store fronts. Availability is based upon supply and demand. The reason that the price has fallen is because the demand is up for "other" strains, trust me. I know some "cubans from south beach" and they have been runnin' "Black Haze" "Silver" and "Candy" since the 90's and they always grew it come to find out mostly for export to, you guessed it, New York City. Piff/Uptown Haze is just like every other well known strain, its true origins will most likely never surface. Growing up and smoking at famous "spots" like nucleus, 2nd Ave, Audubon, Branson, Juice Bar, Madison ave. "board spot", etc. etc. I think I'm qualified to know "piff/haze/uptowns/frankies/ etc. whateva you wanna call that typical NYC Haze, I've more than smoked my lifetimes supply of it, and don't really desire any more, thank you very much!LOL Same can't be said about the White Widow I used to have back in the 90's that super potent, super tasty, ceilingless high, would kill to have her back, don't quite feel the same about Piffery. Uptown was "good" or "top shelf" before I went to cali and smoked bullrider, hoggsbreath, and Bubblegum, White Widow,Rhino,Russian,Etc. in the 90's. Not tryin' to knock anybody that likes Haze but I would hate for the entire world to think that they haven't gotten high till they smoke Piff!LOL I've gotten the sweaty forehead and "stuck" many a time fuckin with Piff but it doesn't hold a candle IMO/IME to many other top notch strains that are currently available! Just because a strain is closely guarded/not easily attainable doesn't mean its all that! I had to learn that the hard way after waiting what seemed like forever to obtain certain "elites" only to find out they perform poorly or are just average at best. Or how many ways can you sell me a skunk/haze/afghani hybrid?LOL I know alot of fools back home that still smoke, and sell Chocolate!LOL Choc was A-1 till you got put on to Haze, right?LOL Just like Haze was king till fools started gettin' a steady supply of Diesel and now diesel/kush/purp. Haze is "yesterday", ofcourse "a lot" of haze is still being pitched but then again there's still even more "Chocolate" being pitched so what the hell does it all mean!LOL It is, What it is, Supply and Demand, which unfortunately doesn't always have to do with quality. Sorry for the long ass rant but I'm on some o' dat cheeba!LOL
 

bigherb

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rudeboi

you most def qualify n thx 4 ur exp

but opinions r like assholes we all hav one ,i agree wit ya 4 da most part then you made my eyes cross a few times in surprise wit those comparisons

if you was uptown smokin since 92 then you seen frank

ime till this day i havnt smoked anything better ,now those lame rhino white adam varieties you speak of lol ime cant hold a candle to our uppies n that makes me question if you hav exp frank

shit no haze or anything from adam can hold a candle to uptowns

too everyone who kno's somone we all doo
i kno its up there n its mostly watered down hybrids n only a circle of peeps hold her but shes still alive just not around like she was in her younger days

last 5 yrs offical deez 4 flat all day n purp 375 if its that purp that been around since last summer but those cant fuck wit som church neva mind frank lol

kush deez anint fuckin wit no frank not of that level kush n deez r tasty but does not hav the physiological effects far from it

its a demand thing mostly wat sells ,ive com to the conclusion the average toker doesnt kno or care wat they r smokin nn they follow trend of wat hot/popular kush man ,purp haze, dog you got som canadians lol

1luvbigherb
 

RUDEBOI

Member
rudeboi

you most def qualify n thx 4 ur exp

but opinions r like assholes we all hav one ,i agree wit ya 4 da most part then you made my eyes cross a few times in surprise wit those comparisons

if you was uptown smokin since 92 then you seen frank

ime till this day i havnt smoked anything better ,now those lame rhino white adam varieties you speak of lol ime cant hold a candle to our uppies n that makes me question if you hav exp frank

shit no haze or anything from adam can hold a candle to uptowns

too everyone who kno's somone we all doo
i kno its up there n its mostly watered down hybrids n only a circle of peeps hold her but shes still alive just not around like she was in her younger days

last 5 yrs offical deez 4 flat all day n purp 375 if its that purp that been around since last summer but those cant fuck wit som church neva mind frank lol

kush deez anint fuckin wit no frank not of that level kush n deez r tasty but does not hav the physiological effects far from it

its a demand thing mostly wat sells ,ive com to the conclusion the average toker doesnt kno or care wat they r smokin nn they follow trend of wat hot/popular kush man ,purp haze, dog you got som canadians lol

1luvbigherb

Well I'm most certainly not about to argue over an opinion and you are entitled to yours. However please do not attempt to somehow insist that I do not know quality, its a bit insulting. When I spoke of the "White" strains from the '90s and you crack jokes, its obvious you were not smoking "the real deal" back then!LOL When I was introduced to the Hoggs, Bullrider, White Widow, White Russian, in Pasadena, I had been a veteran "Piff" smoker and was literally put to sleep!LOL Haze definitely has its own high and if thats your kite by all means fly. Not my kinda taste, not my kinda high, JM2C!
When I went to Reggae on the River I got introduced to "White Rhino" and "Madness", at the time both of those herbs were very very memorable as was the bubbleberry! Nah No Beasters!LOL Sold plenty don't smoke any!LOL I didn't know anybody back in that time that was takin' the time to do rooms full of BS Adam strains. In case you didn't know Adam seeds weren't always shitty!LOL In fact one of the best strains I ever had was a pack of nirvana White Widow from 90's! Killer Killer lemon frosty dank, that yielded like a sumabitch! Most certainly was no Beasters there homie!LOL What you probably experienced in your east coast experience of "White" family strains would more than likely be beasters because of the indian reservations, yada, yada, yada, Because NYC has such a high demand for smoke the only consistant source ofcourse is canada, and ofcourse after widow, rhino, russian,etc.. gets keefed to death, flash dried, sealed and shipped, ofcourse it gets a bad name and alluva sudden "white" anything means BS. But the reality is the same thing ofcourse happened to the beloved "piff". Because the "Oyes" wouldn't give up the cut fools had to get bagseed and make it do what it do. Same thing has happened with every popular strain. that's why I've seen 4 different "Cheese" cuts! Anyways I think its Much Ado About Nothin!LOL
 

bigherb

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rudeboi
aka badmon

Well I'm most certainly not about to argue over an opinion and you are entitled to yours.

no argument , my 2 line i stated that it was just ur opinion n gave mine

you say ur insulted n start insulting funny guy i neva directly insulted you

its nice to hear reports of our nyc haze which is mostly seen around the tristate n not very well known or documented

I had been a veteran "Piff" smoker and was literally put to sleep!LOL Haze definitely has its own high and if thats your kite by all means fly. Not my kinda taste, not my kinda high, JM2C!

lol i kno xactly wat u mean n
its funny you say that caz most think of soaring up effects but i seen it too people throw up ,pass out, sweats


strictly high grade since 16 been too da dam 5 times bro noo beasters neva eva ,todays blend im smokn nev's n som fugu kush

i understand much of the history of cannabis n im pretty knowledgeable about the history of the dutch scene


However please do not attempt to somehow insist that I do not know quality, its a bit insulting

lmao
Hoggs, Bullrider, White Widow, White Russian

nice commerical daytime smoke

about 70% of dutch genetics r all related much of the same bs crossed over n over

yes old school stock was much better caz it was still pure n not watered down old school ww was fire now better known as black widow

interesting to hear of nirvana ww soo highly reguarded bet they anint got that same stock n hoestly im not interested in their stuff

im basing my experience off of both adam n ny n ive seen great batches both places but not the quality im lookin for

soo i gotta hit u wit that wen im hazed up kushed out n im not really a kush fan i might just be a picky maafoo

buts once again its just our opinions to each there own,thx for sharing yours


1luvbigherb
 

RUDEBOI

Member
^^^^^^^^^Its all good bigherb! While I've yet to make my trip to the 'Dam as of yet, I've smoked herbs that have come from numerous respected coffeeshops on several occasions. To be blatantly honest, I've not been "overly impressed" by much that ever came from the 'Dam! Except for the 1 time I was in Philly with my homeboy(a songwriter) and we were in the middle of a studio session and in walked ?uest Love from the Roots. Just got off the plane from Amsterdam and had something from "Gray Area" that was absolutely sensational, but he had 3 other strains that were easily forgettable although they looked fantastic. I say that to say this, I would believe your "smoking prowess" a lot more if perhaps you had said you had been to "nugs & jugs" or are a regular in the Cali scene and I could somehow gauge your smoking experience by having firsthand knowledge of some of the strains you have experienced. Us discussing the "Piff/Uptown Haze" family without being able to pinpoint 1 specific strain is "fun" but pointless.

No disrespect but if your idea of a good kush is fugu kush, well then no wonder why you think Piff is better than K or diesel!LOL J/K but seriously tho' I would have never paired Kush with blowfish but wadda I know. What I do know is that Wernard and Ben came to the U.S. to acquire most of their gear and Cali was the main contributor. So it would be much more wise and cost efficient to have traveled up and down the west coast from seattle to Dago and I bet your perspective would be VASTLY different.

In the mid 90's I don't think anybody that experienced the real Socal Bullrider, HoggsBreath, Bubblegum, WW,WR,ETC... Would ever call any of those strains "daytime smoke" or light weight by any stretch of the imagination.

Just for shits and giggles, what year did you start smokin? When was your first trip to A.Dam? Have you ever been to Cali and did you have a good tour guide?LOL
 

bigherb

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Just for shits and giggles, what year did you start smokin? When was your first trip to A.Dam? Have you ever been to Cali and did you have a good tour guide?LOL

do you want my gov n # also

lol

first toke in 97 im 24 im young but my standards r very high believe that ,havnt been too cali but we get cali bud from time too time purpletrainwreck headband catpiss,first dam trip was 04 ak47 was my fav of the trip i was dissapointed in most quality but after my second trip i discovered there are over 500 cs n the quality greatly varies with each one wit a handful or 2 being my common stops ga being numero uno.dude from cali at the 20 cc givin out free nugs of outdoor biddy early magnus strain i believe ,after i smoked it i knew why it was handed out

havnt been to cali 4 personal resons i didnt hav desire too see her but like big said the women n weed they been callin i recently discussed goin too san diego wit som friends but not a def

4 giggles my circle of high grade went from humboldts aka hummms too frankies too blueberry ,silvas ,notherns , deez,sour deez ,kush all for a stretch of time som 1 yr som as long as 4 consistent

now for shits my idea of high grade is frankies,nyc hashplant ,purplekush not noo bs sr71 or canadian pk ,purplewreck,blueberry haze,hashplanthaze,la con

im not stuck on haze but purp dont get me excited just to let ya kno purple erkel was not as strong as i like ,n as i said b4 im not a big kush fan but i like the stone it just the tolerance builds up quickly

first off doo you hav experience with mota militia gear caz if ya did i dont think you would hav that opinion

my fugu kush is high grade all round head thumping kushedd out coffe funk simliar to our kush selection goin around

interesting to me tho ive not tlked bout it much i rather discuss haze but most of the kush we com across aside from the fuel lemon lime og's is very coffe type n pissy ,almost grape type especiall wen it has purp tint,now i kno bubba is known for that coffe trait but i recall in som old kush threads tlk bout the old pure kushes not og's being pissy n coffe type

any thoughts?


In the mid 90's I don't think anybody that experienced the real Socal Bullrider, HoggsBreath, Bubblegum, WW,WR,ETC... Would ever call any of those strains "daytime smoke" or light weight by any stretch of the imagination.

to each their own

but i dont recall the latest crosses or convos soo how special can they be

1luvbigherb
 
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