the truth of helocopters
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smokesalot420
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The truth is that it's spelled Helicopter! Nah I'm just kidding....
What would be putting off heat in an outdoor grow? I guess if you don't want them to find your plants heat signature, burn fires around your crop to evade detection!
What would be putting off heat in an outdoor grow? I guess if you don't want them to find your plants heat signature, burn fires around your crop to evade detection!
idk some people told me those plants give off a heat sig im thinking to my self at the time there retarded another thing i heard was that if there in a pot or something that will give off differnt heat then the ground wich kinda makes sence that that would look differnt or if u use non native soil. im just trying to plan out this grow ive got a while but planing never hurt
microgram
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That would only bring more unwanted attention.
The way they find them is distinctly by their shape and if you're growing in very large quantities. Go buy "Never Get Busted Again Vol 2", he explains this very well. If you want to plant, like in any ganja film: plant in small quantities, and sparcly. Keeping as much wild vegitation around to help camo your plants. Don't clean unless necessary, hide all grow materials, hike out trash. Don't leave PVC/Garden Hose exposed, minimize noise levels if necessary.
That is unless you live in san diego, im sure some guy by the name of **ckhead has some vision disorder and he can distinctly point out most of the 255 shades of green. In this case, it'd be pretty hard to hide from him if you have a 100+ plant operation going.
Visual identification is their only method of detection for the eradication forces here.
There is no behavior that a grower can engage in to prevent detection from the air. The coloring of cannabis, all cannabis, is so distinct that it stands out in the enviroment and their isnt a single thing you can do to prevent the plants from being seen if the choppers are over or near your grow.
Some things that help?
Grow green varities. Purple plants or plants with wide dark green leaves are even more obvious from the air. Smaller, and especially single cola dominant varieties are more difficult to spot than a huge bush.
Try to grow where the topography is up and down. Where there are hills, trees, valleys shadows and the angle of the sun can help confuse the picture from above and make it more difficult to pinpoint differences in color.
If you are in the Northern hemisphere, you can plant in the SOUTHERN EDGE under the canopy of larger trees as the sun, off the the southern sky will shine under the canopy on the southern side. The plants cant be seen from above but yet get full sun.
There is no behavior that a grower can engage in to prevent detection from the air. The coloring of cannabis, all cannabis, is so distinct that it stands out in the enviroment and their isnt a single thing you can do to prevent the plants from being seen if the choppers are over or near your grow.
Some things that help?
Grow green varities. Purple plants or plants with wide dark green leaves are even more obvious from the air. Smaller, and especially single cola dominant varieties are more difficult to spot than a huge bush.
Try to grow where the topography is up and down. Where there are hills, trees, valleys shadows and the angle of the sun can help confuse the picture from above and make it more difficult to pinpoint differences in color.
If you are in the Northern hemisphere, you can plant in the SOUTHERN EDGE under the canopy of larger trees as the sun, off the the southern sky will shine under the canopy on the southern side. The plants cant be seen from above but yet get full sun.
thats for the dvb just im getting 1 and 2 right now. so wouldnt a good place to plant be under trees just cut out a few holes in the top follage what my plan is to do is have around 30 or so lowyder plants next to my house in a tree line but deff not linkable to me they would never be able to be seen my a hele cause there under trees so thats my plan to cut a few holes on the canape but i also want to plant some huge trees i have tons of fields that i can go to that have tree lines all around them i could eather plant right on the edge of the tree line so they get optimom son or should i be uber safe and just go into the tree line
The End Is Near
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The helicopters detect heat from the overturned soil at the plant's base due to the lack of vegetation.
BurmeseDragon
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Ya don't burn fires, that attracts attention not only from FLIR while the earth is warm, but the smoke to anyone in quite some distance or the light if it's at night.
Most departments don't have enough foot pursuits to justify a FLIR unit, or even an air unit. Around here they use a chopper with a digital video camera to review the detailed plant growth. They don't have money to record every square foot of several counties, as there is only one chopper for MANY counties...that grow so much corn it makes people sick.
I'd be more worried about private pilots, honestly those actually get off on being brown nose or thieves...usually the brown noses, they think it helps their public image! Anyhow, people spread rumors from reading articles about FLIRs and fail to mention and spread the world DETAILS that were given in the article.
FLIR is only good at detecting the differences in watered earth, so if you have some ganja it detects the watered earth during a dry period. Around here, things rain pretty consistently most years! That and well if your using that gear to detect heat differences among earth moisture levels.....then you can see that big ass afghani bush.
Most departments don't have enough foot pursuits to justify a FLIR unit, or even an air unit. Around here they use a chopper with a digital video camera to review the detailed plant growth. They don't have money to record every square foot of several counties, as there is only one chopper for MANY counties...that grow so much corn it makes people sick.
I'd be more worried about private pilots, honestly those actually get off on being brown nose or thieves...usually the brown noses, they think it helps their public image! Anyhow, people spread rumors from reading articles about FLIRs and fail to mention and spread the world DETAILS that were given in the article.
FLIR is only good at detecting the differences in watered earth, so if you have some ganja it detects the watered earth during a dry period. Around here, things rain pretty consistently most years! That and well if your using that gear to detect heat differences among earth moisture levels.....then you can see that big ass afghani bush.
I have lots of heli activity and have never had any problems with them, but the large majority of the helicopters are civilian/commericial/hospital type... As long as your plots aren't any bigger than a love seat couch, and you leave lots of native vegetation before flowering, its not really a problem... I wouldn't have more than 2-6 patches in any one area though...
Remember, lowrider plants dont get very tall so native vegetation will need to be shorter to give them enough light, or you will have to cut back vegetation to get adequate light.. If they are auto and flower early, your plants will be done before the helicopters come out in August...
Remember, lowrider plants dont get very tall so native vegetation will need to be shorter to give them enough light, or you will have to cut back vegetation to get adequate light.. If they are auto and flower early, your plants will be done before the helicopters come out in August...
Planting LR is a great way to avoid detection. For one they'll be done before the birds in the sky if you plant early. Two, they're less than two feet tall. from the air size comparison is often used to find crops so next to other landmarks( trees,shed,etc. ) LR will appear too small and not be easily spotted. Can be done with reg strains put out late to produce minis. Never plant in rows or distinguishable patterns. By planting one here and one there you can hide them more effectivly. I've got some spots that I've never even heard aircraft ( spent lots of time there ,years) so it's not like they are flying the whole country.
As far as cutting any upper tree canopy to allow light but block view.
Cmon. The risk of climbing trees and cutting branches ( cut limbs stand out quite a bit btw)out weighs the benifits. Just look for a better spot. And I really wouldn't be worried about the heat sig of your dirt. Seems hard to believe. Mayby I'm wrong. Anyhow good luck this year pothead.
As far as cutting any upper tree canopy to allow light but block view.
Cmon. The risk of climbing trees and cutting branches ( cut limbs stand out quite a bit btw)out weighs the benifits. Just look for a better spot. And I really wouldn't be worried about the heat sig of your dirt. Seems hard to believe. Mayby I'm wrong. Anyhow good luck this year pothead.
StickyFingerz
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I don't think a person in a helicopter can detect a different shade of green from the surrounding vegetation. It also depends on the environment you are growing in, obviously. Usually, any form of vegetation surrounding your plants should blend them right in. You know how many greens there are in nature?
Just try not to disturb too much and keep a trail leading to your site to a minimum.
Helicopter threads in the outdoor forum are like Global warming and yummy threads in the den, LOL!
Helicopters find your plants with the naked eye. In dry country this makes it easier, because the surrounding foliage isn't receiving water like the Cannabis, so the plants will appear a more vibrant green, even in country that stays green a experienced spotter can pick out the MJ.
The best strategies to hide Guerrilla plants from choppers in descending order of importance:
#1. Don't plant in open places: Don't plant in the middle of the meadow, plant at the edge of it, near the shrubs/trees. Always try to find places busy with other natural plants to hide yours.
#2. Plant your crops spread apart: In the old days, choppers could spot plants often because growers would not only plant close together, but often in organized rows to help make irrigation easier, to a aircraft these rows look unnatural even before you can see what species the plants are. Ideally plants should be at least 20' apart, if not much further.
#3. Don't beat paths through grass to your plants, or leave junk or equipment of any kind visible, don't give the chopper something to look at and hang around, it may lead them to your patch.
#4. Keep your plants a reasonable size: Don't try to grow huge pound plus plants, 4 1/4lb plants spread appart will be more hidden than one pound plant.
Helicopters find your plants with the naked eye. In dry country this makes it easier, because the surrounding foliage isn't receiving water like the Cannabis, so the plants will appear a more vibrant green, even in country that stays green a experienced spotter can pick out the MJ.
The best strategies to hide Guerrilla plants from choppers in descending order of importance:
#1. Don't plant in open places: Don't plant in the middle of the meadow, plant at the edge of it, near the shrubs/trees. Always try to find places busy with other natural plants to hide yours.
#2. Plant your crops spread apart: In the old days, choppers could spot plants often because growers would not only plant close together, but often in organized rows to help make irrigation easier, to a aircraft these rows look unnatural even before you can see what species the plants are. Ideally plants should be at least 20' apart, if not much further.
#3. Don't beat paths through grass to your plants, or leave junk or equipment of any kind visible, don't give the chopper something to look at and hang around, it may lead them to your patch.
#4. Keep your plants a reasonable size: Don't try to grow huge pound plus plants, 4 1/4lb plants spread appart will be more hidden than one pound plant.
Usually they bust one or two grows by chance with the flying pig chopper thermal imaging on the way back from a call out,, then they over-HYPE the result in the media!!!
We only know x1 person that got caught by a police chopper,, they had x1000 + plants,, and they went to jail for cultivation,, however they lived next to the chopper pad! lol
Ordinarily it would be a complete waste of aviation-fuel to aimlessly fly about all day looking for ganja plants.
Hope this helps
We only know x1 person that got caught by a police chopper,, they had x1000 + plants,, and they went to jail for cultivation,, however they lived next to the chopper pad! lol
Ordinarily it would be a complete waste of aviation-fuel to aimlessly fly about all day looking for ganja plants.
Hope this helps
IMO, best reply so far. If you want to see an example of doing it the wrong way, (even if it's Mexico) check out the video of a bust with plants no more than 2 or 3 feet tall. From the air, they might as well be 10 feet tall.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/mexico/091217/drug-lord-killed
I have a friend that worked at an airport who said they do have cameras (flir) that detect heat signature in cannabis. Some helicopters were being prepared to fly for searches in Tn and Ky. According to the pilot cannabis does put out a specific heat signature but there has to be a lot of it to show up. Everyone who advises to plant sparsely is correct. The other heat factors are recent waterings and irrigation lines stick out under flir as well. Both stick out like a sore thumb. The bottom line to me is it is an over rated risk. At $500 plus per flight hour (conservative figure) there are not enough resources to cover the ground needed to be overly concerned in my area at least. Knowing that they still do seem a lot louder in September than they do in June.
The sheriffs of all the local counties here bust many people every year, using helicopters. They can afford the fuel because the federal government pays them to do it. But no thermal imaging is being used, its just a guy with his head hanging out the side, looking for big grows.
