California does NOT need any more GROWERS!

[krunchbubble]

i grew in discovery bay years ago and the price of power was beyond ridiculous. i think baseline was 100 kwh. above baseline it went up 50%, 50% above baseline the bill went up 100%, i would hit the 100% markup within the first week of my billing cycle. by the end of the month, and this is no exaggeration, they added 300-400% to my final bill because of the amount of power that was used.

 

[dopey the clown]

I'm not advocating one way or another, I'll just point out that all you guys can pretty easily get on the CARE program if you want to. They don't ask for verification of any kind.

Obviously that's a moral question for you to decide on your own, I'm just throwing it out there as an option if you're in CA and struggling...

 

[dontexist]

After I heard that DC was going to get MMJ with the same wording if not better then California I decided that I rather just stay here. I am just going to list a few of the reasons that the climate for MMJ is going to be better for me to start here, then it would be in California.

1) In terms of Market, prices will always be higher for the lb here then California since there will be no way that there will be enough outside growers to flood the market with their product.

You do not have the extremely long growing season, or the space, DC is less then 100 sq miles, that would allow for this to happen. You can also sell across the bridge MD, another Med State.

2) Electricity is cheaper, especially if you plan on growing in MD or VA. It might increase the risk to grow in VA but it would bring living cost down, also people should remember MD is a medical state.

3) I have lived here for 16 years, it would be easier to support myself here, and if I decided to get a partner I have a cousin, really should call him a older brothers that would join me. Only guy I would ever choice to partner in a operation, if I choice to.

4) Knowing DC dispensaries will be limited, I do not see more then 20 dispensaries in the city allowed. This would allow for a market where people find patients directly and sell to them for a cheaper rate then dispensaries.

But to the people who plan to move to DC, remember DC is expensive to live in. I suggest living in MD and commuting if you are on a tight budget. But the good thing about DC is that the cops really do have more important things to deal with then weed even before the new law, so now it will be nothing at all.

 

[SoCaliSmoker]

Krunchbubble!

Your signature!

"I DO NOT want marijuana legalized and dont give the slightest shit what you think........"







(sorry guys but my thoughts exactly on this one)

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I wish I knew some people out of Colorado so I could ask them how the market is out there. Prices of living, how much demand is there, what kind of weed they smoke, things like that.

I've seen "Cali" come up as the first option of choices, and I wanted to put something out there to let everyone know its not all fun and games.

Colorado I've seen has risen highly in the ranks. I'd like to meet someone and chat....

I made the move from CA to CO and have never been happier. Everyone out here and their grandma enjoys the herb, the mentality of the people is much cool and calmer than california (at least any place south of the bay). There are definatly some heady cats in CO, however there are just as many who just enjoy the weed, regardless of its name or characteristics. Price of living is MUCH cheaper. I pay 1500 on a 2400sqft house with marble counter tops, stainless steel appliances and an 1+ acre backyard. Gas is about 1.00 cheaper per gallon. Food is over all cheaper to consume. Even when i lived in CA i felt it was far overrated. Too many people (specialy assholes) everything costs way more than it should, the pollution is ungodly and the surf is trash....like i said, ive moved to CO and have never looked back, and i must say it is a damn nice change to be able to breathe CLEAN AIR....

oh yah. the gun laws kill CA hands down which equates to MUCH LESS CRIME since everyone and their brother is carrying a concealed firearm. and POWDER we get tons of powder. some of the best boarding in the country

 

[SouthernSmoker]

And when the Feds come bust your door in you can take that 42k you made last year and go pay it to a lawyer and the government.

Look I came out here with all intentions to grow for myself. It's expensive as hell to live out here and I was not prepared for it. Now I have every intention of growing and trying to make a little extra money, not millions or anything like that. I don't plan to retire from growing after some big payday. It's a nice dream to be able to get paid big money doing what I love to do but it's just that right now, a dream. Back to reality...8000 watts of light will not be cheap to run and the cost of energy is going only one way, up. If you had 8000 watts of light your power bill alone would be close to 1500 a month. Add to that rent of at least 1600 a month and you are 3100 so far already. Water bill, soil, nutrients, fans, filters, bulbs...and that's just for the grow. Food for you, gas for your car, entertainment for yourself, and if you have a family those bills just doubled. I want to know where in California you can have 3500 dollars a month in bills and operate a 8k watt grow op because I want to live there. I am not trying to argue with you. You make a valid argument but I think the numbers you posted are not realistic.

Hey man if you can tell me a state the feds wont kick down my door in im all ears

as far as the numbers i just used what was posted in this thread as an example , But you can tweek those numbers anyway you want to it still spells profit . These people crying they are not getting 2X the amount i used for the example for there work Is funny to me is all

Some of us just would like alittle honesty in what people say is all
instead of all this i am going broke growing weed shit i keep reading .

Life is tough for everyone not just me or you !!!!

cost of living is going up everywhere not just cali

Do i want to move to cali well yes for business and health not just to grow pot !!
will i grow to help me knock out some debt ? Yes
will I have to face the same time in jail or fines that i face where i am now ? No
will it be hard to leave my home to do this after alll these years ? Yea it will suck at first but i think i can adapt if not then start over back home atleast i will have tried .

 

[Bumble Buddy]

Do Re Mi

Lots of folks back East, they say, is leavin' home every day,
Beatin' the hot old dusty way to the California line.
'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of that old dust bowl,
They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl, but here's what they find
Now, the police at the port of entry say,
"You're number fourteen thousand for today."

Oh, if you ain't got the do re mi, folks, you ain't got the do re mi,
Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
California is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot
If you ain't got the do re mi.

You want to buy you a home or a farm, that can't deal nobody harm,
Or take your vacation by the mountains or sea.
Don't swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you are,
Better take this little tip from me.
'Cause I look through the want ads every day
But the headlines on the papers always say:

If you ain't got the do re mi, boys, you ain't got the do re mi,
Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, Tennessee.
California is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot
If you ain't got the do re mi.

--Woody Guthrie
published in 1940...the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Oh wow what a great piece of writing! I started reading it with a hip hop cadence because for some reason it seemed it to me it was written by a rapper. Freaking timeless genius.


live in or see
do re me
believe it or not
mountains or sea
little tip from me
won't find it so hot
do re me

 

[headiez247]

should be able to tell in about 10, 15 minutes whether the person you are meeting is likely to pull some shit. The stash is yours.

When the ball is in your court you can be picky. If you've got the general intelligence and street smarts of a normal adult it shouldn't be that hard. Shit could go down and you could misread people, sure. But what are you gonna do, sit in your house, unsatisfied wondering what if?

Take a chance.

Wrong, and worst advice ever.

so lets do some math !! I will use the numbers Lazyman put up and his grow for example !!! Not picking on you lazyman just an example .

we will round up to 3500 a month for living expenses lets say .

Ok we have a 270 plant rec with all the cards WOW!
an 8000w flower room Nice !!!
we will say it takes 60 days for harvest just for easy math ( you know us rednecks and numbers LOL )
So thats about 34 plants per 1000w . we will say you get a lb per 1000w thats 8 lbs every 2 months . giving you a lb to play with and taking in to account that the market is not great we will give you 2000 per lb . 2000 X 7 = 14000 every two months or 7000 per month
7000 per month - 3500 in expenses = 3500 profit per month
3500 profit X12 months = 42,000 per year in expendable income

42,000 every year to pay off what ever you need to pay off to make your life alittle easier or to go out and have fun . Not to mention if you have a real job on top of that lets say 20,000 a year well

am i missing something ?

Yes, you are. He didn't give you all his expenses, he just threw some out as an example. The larger the grow, the more intense the overhead expenses are. Add a wife, kids, and a pet and it can double. Cost of living is very low in the boonie south where you live, California's cost of living is extremely high.

Generally (again generally) the larger growers on this forum (call it 7kw+) who have many posts and respect points didn't just jump into this blind and hope each month they have enough money to pay the bills. They aren't rolling around in BMW's either. They do spread sheets with overhead expense accounting similar to what actual businesses use.

Many people on this forum who aren't large growers also tend to harness some anger/jealousy towards the larger growers assuming that

a) they could do it better

b) that the larger growers should be making more money then they are

or

c) are lying and in reality are banking millions of dollars.

Most of these people are naive.

 

[SouthernSmoker]

and yea the numbers are off all over not just electric but product too come on you think you will get more or less weight with 8000w and 33 plants per 1000w . If you are only getting 7lbs for sale with 8000w and 270 plants then you really need to do some work on the growing skills . It was an example

 

[SoCaliSmoker]

I can't give more rep to Headiez!!





(but I left you a notification on your ICmag home)

 

[krunchbubble]

Wrong, and worst advice ever.




Yes, you are. He didn't give you all his expenses, he just threw some out as an example. The larger the grow, the more intense the overhead expenses are. Add a wife, kids, and a pet and it can double. Cost of living is very low in the boonie south where you live, California's cost of living is extremely high.

Generally (again generally) the larger growers on this forum (call it 7kw+) who have many posts and respect points didn't just jump into this blind and hope each month they have enough money to pay the bills. They aren't rolling around in BMW's either. They do spread sheets with overhead expense accounting similar to what actual businesses use.

Many people on this forum who aren't large growers also tend to harness some anger/jealousy towards the larger growers assuming that

a) they could do it better

b) that the larger growers should be making more money then they are

or

c) are lying and in reality are banking millions of dollars.

Most of these people are naive.

very well said brother..........

 

[NicholasSmokes]

Many people on this forum who aren't large growers also tend to harness some anger/jealousy towards the larger growers assuming that

I'm fairly new here, but I have not seen that. I have noticed that there are a lot of angry people here, which I don't get. I just grow for fun and to supply myself with quality weed, but I love being able to learn from growers doing it big time.

 

[headiez247]

Very impressive bro.

 

[corkushy]

thank you very much for posting this i began growing about 3 years ago and have thought about moving out there many times. I wanted to move there just because the weather here is so shitty and i could grow a few plants of my own,not commercial just for personal consuption.I was also thinking about ging to oaksterdam, If i were to move there i would work work work. until i had meet plenty of people and gotten to know the area really well before i tried anything.. well i guess i changed my mind for now. would it be a bad idead to move there to work and go to oaksterdam and then move back here when im done lol?

 

[Macster2]

I've not read through the whole thread, But cry me a river. I've consistently grown 2-3 #s with 2 lights every 2 months with the equipment I can take with me.I've got more lights I'd fire up with leo not breathing sdown my throat.Which means without muck difficulty I could pump out 4-6 # every 2 months @ 3-4 K per # which is about 18-20k per harvest.I think I could live pretty good on that,even if things cost 25% more. If I lived in Maine or Washington or Colorado my equipment will be the same price,my internet me tv cable my food will be the same.
In 2 months while I'm awaiting my first harvest I should be able to connect.
You're full of shit its the mostly same everywhere.

 

[Macster2]

I'm fairly new here, but I have not seen that. I have noticed that there are a lot of angry people here, which I don't get. I just grow for fun and to supply myself with quality weed, but I love being able to learn from growers doing it big time.

Been here a while now and there"s not alot of angry people here.This thread must have people going

 

[dopey the clown]

Wrong, and worst advice ever.

Different strokes brotha. I've done pretty well for myself using my social skills to judge people and taking risks in my life. It ain't "wrong" just because some of you guys might come off as punks or easy for the taking and got robbed a few times..many people are satisfied settling into mediocrity without taking a chance, I'm not one of em.'

 

[Cat Jockey]

I wish I knew some people out of Colorado so I could ask them how the market is out there. Prices of living, how much demand is there, what kind of weed they smoke, things like that.

The shit is blowing up in the last several months ... so is the interest of the State AG and State lawmakers. Changes are coming in some shape or form. Soon.

A bit about Colorado ... huge population explosion in the 90's. 30,000 - 40,000 ppl from Cali a year relocating. Population of metro Denver doubled in the decade of the 90's.

Colorado was straight up Californicated. No personal offense to anyone living in Cali or moving to Colorado from Cali, but us natives have always been hostile to intruders and that is reflected in the industry as well. There are many of us from growers to disp. that are all about ABC. Always Buy Colorado.

There are grumblings amongst the natives about keeping Cali weed out of our State and we really don't want ppl bringing 200# of Cali weed in a U-Haul to dump at a disp and undercut locals who actually voted for the Amendment that made it possible for that U-Hual to make the journey 'cause the industry is new and it is easy to get rid of sub-par weed.

Not saying only sub-par weed comes from Cali. Sub-par comes from everywhere and it can be gotten rid off easy in Colo. right now is all.

Please, no offense meant to anyone, wherever the hell they are from, but I am just being honest that there is a movement, whatever the size, for us locals to prevent that very thing, guys like you moving out here to set up shop to take advantage of what the people of the State of Colorado voted for, not you living in San Diego voted for.

Again, don't take offense as I have no personal beef with you, I am just being flat out honest filling you in on what I have seen as some underlying sentiment in the industry, that a lot native Coloradans will work with other native Coloradans if every thing else is equal, as in price, quality, etc.

I don't speak for every native Coloradn, obviously, but there are those, I assure you as I know them and am one of them, that think like that and would buy my product over yours if it were equal if they knew you were from Cali.

And I prefer to deal with disp. as a grower that are owned by either natives or long time residents.

Don't worry though. If you move here and are a skilled grower, you will have no problems, regardless of what us restless natives grumble about.

It is a bit of a gold rush right now and I think your biggest problem would be having to deal with the fact that we actually have all four seasons here and it can get cold and deciding which grow store has the hottest chicks working there. There is also the unfortunate side effect of living near The Rocky Mountains with plentiful fun shit to do year round to keep you out of your garden and neglecting your girls.

 

[SouthernSmoker]

Wrong, and worst advice ever.




Yes, you are. He didn't give you all his expenses, he just threw some out as an example. The larger the grow, the more intense the overhead expenses are. Add a wife, kids, and a pet and it can double. Cost of living is very low in the boonie south where you live, California's cost of living is extremely high.

Generally (again generally) the larger growers on this forum (call it 7kw+) who have many posts and respect points didn't just jump into this blind and hope each month they have enough money to pay the bills. They aren't rolling around in BMW's either. They do spread sheets with overhead expense accounting similar to what actual businesses use.

Many people on this forum who aren't large growers also tend to harness some anger/jealousy towards the larger growers assuming that

a) they could do it better

b) that the larger growers should be making more money then they are

or

c) are lying and in reality are banking millions of dollars.

Most of these people are naive.

everyone has different expenses and everyone has made good and bad choices in there life they have to pay for we are all different in that category.

I have no jealousy or anger towards big growers why should i

and assuming anything just aint smart

and however said anything about banking millions ??

But anytime a person ask about cali they get hit with all this negative bs like
you will get robbed
you wont make shit out here
you wont survive you will be homeless in no time flat
the market is full go away

What happend to trying to help out a fellow grower to achieve there goals ???? we are all in the same war its called life and we all just want to live and be happy spread alittle happiness it will come back to ya i bet .
The negative title of this thread says it all !!!!!!

 

[dopey the clown]

One last thing to any noobs reading- Try real hard to decipher who you honestly believe gives two shits about a strangers success vs who is trying to act like what they do is some revolutionary, brilliant, quantum mechanics-level shit to boost their self-worth.


It's all about selling the flowers of a plant...not breaking down The Black Hole.

You can do it, pinky swear, with sugar on top.