Healthy Soil, Healthy Plants

[shallrelicme]

I don't want to get into arguments but when it comes to growing I find that growers are worse than fisherman when it comes to tall tales. I personally don't trust what anyone says without scientific evidence and even then I like to see it for myself. But when it comes to the debate on flushing organics I am firmly in the "no flush" group now. I finished my first organic plant last week and I was absolutely shocked how wonderful it tasted with zero cure. It was better than most anything I ever bought on the street and better than my hydro grows. I also used molasses from start to finish. I didn't use fish emulsion so I can't comment on that. If you go to a doctor and don't like the diagnosis you can always get a second opinion and sometimes you will find out the previous one was wrong and these are very educated and experienced professionals. So you can imagine if you were sick and diagnosed by some random dude on the internet you would be lucky to survive.

Also I would like to add it was suffering from a deficiency and that could of impacted the results.

 

[hilbie]

some pics as promised... better late than never.



Those are my bull rider girls and here are a few Satori that are flowering at the moment... can't wait to sample this strain.

theese look like ""i just add water once a week that all'' kind of plants. or they look like someone growing hydro for the first time that doesnt have a clue what there doing. pop corn organi buds, i grew a crop like this a long time ago, sea bird dookie, guano, castings..etc..

 

[C21H30O2]

theese look like ""i just add water once a week that all'' kind of plants. or they look like someone growing hydro for the first time that doesnt have a clue what there doing. pop corn organi buds, i grew a crop like this a long time ago, sea bird dookie, guano, castings..etc..

those buds have only been flowering for a month and they are satori a strain that puts on all of its weight in the last 2 weeks... are you here just to insult other peoples methods, I have yet to see something helpful or constructive come from any of your posts.

 

[maryjohn]

I came across more of hilbie's work on another thread in another forum, with the same tone. and the same cluelessness.

Too bad I can't call people trolls anymore.

 

[hilbie]

one month flower and that yellow is far from ideal, first look id say they have 5 weeks to go but the yellow makes them look like they have 2.
my bad, good luck

 

[maryjohn]

it looks to me like the color is washed out by the light, and the leaves angled to reflect more of it back at the lens have a yellow hue.

 

[C21H30O2]

one month flower and that yellow is far from ideal, first look id say they have 5 weeks to go but the yellow makes them look like they have 2.
my bad, good luck

yea i was using a bagged organic mix, FFOF which sucks ass, hence the entire thread...

 

[VerdantGreen]

yeah its a fact, a simple one. its also a simple fact to just feed a plant water and zero nutes, blynxx on the micro forum does this with pretty good results, but like he said he adds things to his pile of dirt and tills n turns it over once n a while. i scoop, plant, water. i think its easier, and the results are great. i actually think its the only organic guys who have never grown another way that acutally think in there mind that hydro or coco is harder then soil, when its the opposite ime

true u cant get much easier then just add water but for the money and effort your going to need to put into your medium to achieve what us coco guys can with scoop n plant its going to cost u much more work in sourceing nutriants and dollars to get them to the level of a lucas formula ph'd in coco, i know it every green thumbs organic romance to say ''i went in the feild next door for my dirt and my stuff was 2 grams per watt first try, everything was just perfect'', but we not this isnt the case-

i say its more work, not less...
if u have tried both and have an opinion cool-

it takes me 15 minutes to mix enough soil for 4 plants - a whole grow for me. then i add water and a bit of biobizz or molasses towards the end if i think they need it.

i agree with mr G that organics should be easy.

C21 i think your plants look pretty good providing its the light making them look yellow. if they are yellowing you need to add some liquid seawead or something, start at half strength for the satori.

V.

 

[Microbeman]

erm, can i see the mm method thread too please


V.

I think its in a thread called 'food for thought' If I'm wrong, let me know. It's just basic easy stuff.

 

[Microbeman]

I don't want to get into arguments but when it comes to growing I find that growers are worse than fisherman when it comes to tall tales. I personally don't trust what anyone says without scientific evidence and even then I like to see it for myself. But when it comes to the debate on flushing organics I am firmly in the "no flush" group now. I finished my first organic plant last week and I was absolutely shocked how wonderful it tasted with zero cure. It was better than most anything I ever bought on the street and better than my hydro grows. I also used molasses from start to finish. I didn't use fish emulsion so I can't comment on that. If you go to a doctor and don't like the diagnosis you can always get a second opinion and sometimes you will find out the previous one was wrong and these are very educated and experienced professionals. So you can imagine if you were sick and diagnosed by some random dude on the internet you would be lucky to survive.

Also I would like to add it was suffering from a deficiency and that could of impacted the results.

Well said. I'm going to risk looking stupid by saying that in the next ten years it will be illustrated that many chemical fertilizers corrupt plant tissue cells and maybe even contribute to cancer in humans when consumed.

 

[jjfoo]

In my opinion, building and maintaining a soil which will become alive is your number one success point in growing organically.

I'm new to organic soil. If your goal is to maintain soil wouldn't that be only half the picture? I mean you could maintain soil for a plant with different needs and it would be healthy but not ideal for all plants. I'm thinking that I need to build a soil that is best suited for the plants I want to grow.

Am I off? My goal is to reuse my soil like outdoor done indoor. I'm just wondering how to replace the things that the plant removes so my soil doesn't become depleated. I'm concerned with things like not disturbing the soil. Should I just be pulling plants out and composting the root ball but not removing all the soil from the pot or bed?

 

[maryjohn]

yes that's a good analysis. growing good soil is half the picture, and all the other stuff you do, that's the other half. Making good soil the single most important thing, equalling everything else put together.

As for what soil is appropriate, you want a relatively rich soil, with decent drainage.

For more on your questions, go to youtube and search for the word "Ingham".

 

[DARC MIND]

I'm just wondering how to replace the things that the plant removes so my soil doesn't become depleated

look into 3lbs soil recycling and get some soil amendments or find some green crop/manures. start compostng! learn about beneficial soil microbes and the soil food web

 

[jjfoo]

thanks, I've watched Dr Ingham's videos, that is what got me to really into this make/maintain your own soil thing

I've also read the 3LB's article. I'd hope to some day measure my soil by sending it to get analysed. I was thinking I could do this every 6 months to guide me. I'm thinking I'd have to mix up up well get get a good sample, but this would harm the fungi structure. Seems difficult to measure soil if we don't want to disturb it. My friend suggested taking a core then mixing that up and sending it.

 

[mr-natural78]

it's a common misconception that the pellets break down slowly. I had been using them for quite some time outdoors before someone corrected me on that point. add water to a bowl of pelletized lime and you will feel different about that one. The pellets actually allow for better dispersion throughout a mix. I use powder, but that's because it's cheaper.

So don't grind up your pellets, just add them directly to the soil. No one has yet figured out how many cups of pellets equals one cup of lime (not here anyway), but the pellets are mostly clay, so this is important to do. you need the same amount of actual lime.

Hmmm....I was always told the pellets were slower acting. Maybe I will order some powdered and do some comparisons.

 

[C21H30O2]

Update...

Update...

So the holidays have come and life has become busy but all the while my plants have been growing. They had a bit of a set back with a def but I handled it and the plants recovered quickly. Now a few girls have been moved in to LCs mix. This will be my first time with the mix so I am excited.

Momma Bullrider before a light trim for clones and yield.



Momma HK and Momma Odyssey.



All the mommas will be going into flower tonight or the next day. I just transplanted them into the 2 gallon pots you see them in now but should have gone with 3 gallon... I know for next time.

Time to clone



I am trying to cone very simply. quickroot soil (coco based), honey, and Mike. Im curious to see how the honey works as I have heard good things. If I can clone without hormones all the better.

All done



They are going under a humidity dome and on top of a heat may for a while.

Ahhhh but here is where I am really really excited.



The ones on the left are Satori, the ones on the right are Satori x (ThaiHaze x Skunk #1). This is a cross made by VOD a current IC member and I was lucky enough to snag 2 packs (20 seeds) from seedbay (I ad to wake up at 5 in the morning to win the auction and was so excited when I did that I couldn't get back to sleep lol, like a child on Christmas eve). I only popped 4 out of 20 and 3 have made it. More pics and info soon

as always your comments and questions are welcomed and enjoyed.

Namaste

 

[DARC MIND]

looking good,
i too heard good things with honey..i usually dont use any thing when i clone but i recently took some cutting using agave nectar, i didnt have honey at the time..will try the huney soon..but whipped honey

 

[C21H30O2]

looking good,
i too heard good things with honey..i usually dont use any thing when i clone but i recently took some cutting using agave nectar, i didnt have honey at the time..will try the huney soon..but whipped honey

whipped honey huh... that sounds like an idea, please make sure to stop in and share when you try it.

Here is Vods description of the Satori cross...

hi C21H30O2!
satori x thsk1... I've grown two of them and they were very similar.
Some pix of the girls:

I had some overfeeding issues with the first one and she foxtailed on me. The second one is the yellow one. Both were very resinous and with early resin production. Like a month earlier than the Thai Haze x Sk1 I had next to them. They looked like a slimmed and stretched version of their mother. Vigorous growth and beautiful plants. Grown 12/12 from seed I harvested them after 100days from braking soil. Took 3 weeks to show sex and 30 days to start flowering. First resin two weeks later.
Much nicer looking product than the Thunk, basically the same as Satori mother. Looks that is. Smell was different. Smell like catpiss.
Smoke was quite intense. Trippy and slightly scary. Best thing to do after smoking was going out for a walk. It wasn't evil. Just intense and a bit of an adventure. Cerebral/thinking/trippy weed, not necessarily party/people weed. Slightly magical/spiritual.
Anyway... describing highs half a year later while smoking lots of something else is such a thing... but I can say that shit was strong for sure. In fact stronger than some felt reasonable. Not really a pleasure weed, but interesting (and a pleasure to grow).


I wish you happy growing with them!

 

[Crazy Composer]

For what it's worth... I grow organically, and very, very simply.

Soil Ingredient list:
An inert medium as a base... usually Pro-Mix or Coco Coir.
An organic soil builder... earthworm castings or garden compost.
Aeration and drainage... perlite.
Beneficial fungus innoculant... Mycorrhizal fungus.
pH control... Dolomite lime.

I like to use 2/3 inert medium to 1/3 organic soil builder, i.e. 2 parts coco to 1 part earth worm castings. I add perlite until I feel the right consistency is achieved. Indicas come from a place where there's lots of sand and stone in the soil, so the perlite helps to emulate this texture, to a degree.

This soil has very little to offer, nutrient-wise, so the plants receive all their nutrition by adding powdered bat and seabird guano to the surface of the soil as time goes on. I do not bother with brewing teas. As far as I've ever seen, adding the guanos directly to the soil, and keeping it moist will provide the same nutrition and bacterial benefits as a tea.

And that's all. I NEVER add anything to my water... they just get watered and that's all. So, once the medium is made, the only labor is adding tablespoons of guano powder, and watering. It's as simple as anything I've ever done.

The only other thing I do is add a teaspoon of hydrogen peroxide to my tank when I top it up. This prevents anaerobic bacterial growth in the standing water, keeping the reservoir and the water squeaky clean. I have not had even a hint of slime on the walls of my reservoir since I started using hydrogen peroxide in this way. The water remains crystal clean, even if it stands for days in warm weather. Thought I'd throw that bit of info in.

To sum it up... a light organic soil will harbor the beneficial bacterium and fungi needed to deliver nutrients to the plants organically, the guano is broken down by the bacteria and fungi, and the plant eats well. With this method you can deprive the soil of it's main nutrient source before harvest, helping to clear the plant of excess nutrient. Some call this flushing, some don't. The point is... the plants eat well, stay healthy, and are clean as a whistle by harvest... providing smoke of the very highest quality.

There are countless methods to grow pot, but this is the one I use because it's the simplest way I have figured out to grow clean, organic, connoisseur-quality buds on a regular basis. cc

 

[C21H30O2]

For what it's worth... I grow organically, and very, very simply.

Soil Ingredient list:
An inert medium as a base... usually Pro-Mix or Coco Coir.
An organic soil builder... earthworm castings or garden compost.
Aeration and drainage... perlite.
Beneficial fungus innoculant... Mycorrhizal fungus.
pH control... Dolomite lime.

I like to use 2/3 inert medium to 1/3 organic soil builder, i.e. 2 parts coco to 1 part earth worm castings. I add perlite until I feel the right consistency is achieved. Indicas come from a place where there's lots of sand and stone in the soil, so the perlite helps to emulate this texture, to a degree.

This soil has very little to offer, nutrient-wise, so the plants receive all their nutrition by adding powdered bat and seabird guano to the surface of the soil as time goes on. I do not bother with brewing teas. As far as I've ever seen, adding the guanos directly to the soil, and keeping it moist will provide the same nutrition and bacterial benefits as a tea.

And that's all. I NEVER add anything to my water... they just get watered and that's all. So, once the medium is made, the only labor is adding tablespoons of guano powder, and watering. It's as simple as anything I've ever done.

The only other thing I do is add a teaspoon of hydrogen peroxide to my tank when I top it up. This prevents anaerobic bacterial growth in the standing water, keeping the reservoir and the water squeaky clean. I have not had even a hint of slime on the walls of my reservoir since I started using hydrogen peroxide in this way. The water remains crystal clean, even if it stands for days in warm weather. Thought I'd throw that bit of info in.

To sum it up... a light organic soil will harbor the beneficial bacterium and fungi needed to deliver nutrients to the plants organically, the guano is broken down by the bacteria and fungi, and the plant eats well. With this method you can deprive the soil of it's main nutrient source before harvest, helping to clear the plant of excess nutrient. Some call this flushing, some don't. The point is... the plants eat well, stay healthy, and are clean as a whistle by harvest... providing smoke of the very highest quality.

There are countless methods to grow pot, but this is the one I use because it's the simplest way I have figured out to grow clean, organic, connoisseur-quality buds on a regular basis. cc

Thx for stopping by CC, your input is more than welcome. To keep my reservoir aerobic i just add an air stone and pump. I don't want to kill off any beneficials. seems to work well, plants are happy.